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Brown shirt just delivered my shtynuh c35 (blem) . I can't find ANY blemish, it seems to be brand new, never issued.
I still think a S35 blem would serve me better as a buddy scope, if anyone has one the would like to swap 😉😉😉
 

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Not marked as blem anywhere, including the box.
 

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They pulled the blem option on both the s35 and c35. Congrats to those that placed an order! Looks like they still want to blow out some h35 inventory…
 

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Why are these so cheap? I pulled the trigger on one but can't help but wonder what these are missing to make them so much cheaper than other options.
 

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Why are these so cheap? I pulled the trigger on one but can't help but wonder what these are missing to make them so much cheaper than other options.
Because there's an insane markup on thermals. Luckily a dealer bought out their entire stock so now the price will go up. So it will put it more in line with its competition.
 
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Because there's an insane markup on thermals. Luckily a dealer bought out their entire stock so now the price will go up. So it will put it more in line with its competition.
Did you read the thread above and apply the discount? With the current Steiner rebate I think DRT is being compensated for holding so many units and we are getting a great deal
 
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Did you read the thread above and apply the discount? With the current Steiner rebate I think DRT is being compensated for holding so many units and we are getting a great deal
I did. People are buying straight from Steiner for $2,000. Now after rebate it's $2450.

It was a smart move by DRT. Unfortunate for Those that missed out on the $2,000 ones
 

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I did. People are buying straight from Steiner for $2,000. Now after rebate it's $2450.

It was a smart move by DRT. Unfortunate for Those that missed out on the $2,000 ones
That wasn't going to reoccur after a certain point which was fast approaching. This will be better for more folks and longer term.
 

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Well now that units will be sold out for the foreseeable future, expert voice was selling them for $2k non blems.

These come directly from Steiner, so now they’re not even listed because the inventory was all bought out.

Smart business move by DRT, but I’m throwing you under the bus and letting the cat out of the bag on your profit margin.
 

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Do some calculations on what it costs to purchase 100+ units at even $2k a piece. Takes money to make money (and it is a risk to sit on that much inventory).

Maybe Steiner would have done their $2k sale indefinitely but that’s doubtful as people seemed to be happy paying $3k. In light of that, I think the current situation is favorable for both parties. Without the discount code it’s a little bit of a douche move but with the discount it’s good for everyone
 
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Thanks DRT. Got one and am super psyched. $2,450 isn’t bad with the rebate. I’m okay paying $450 over the “blem” blowout so I don’t have to sit on my phone and refresh a page all day or scour the depths of the internet. A good price given what I have heard about the C35. Can’t wait to test it out
 
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Do some calculations on what it costs to purchase 100+ units at even $2k a piece. Takes money to make money (and it is a risk to sit on that much inventory).

Maybe Steiner would have done their $2k sale indefinitely but that’s doubtful as people seemed to be happy paying $3k. In light of that, I think the current situation is favorable for both parties. Without the discount code it’s a little bit of a douche move but with the discount it’s good for everyone
Wrong, they used to be $3k on expert voice. After a month, they dropped to $2k. Now that all the inventory is bought, they can justify “demand” for higher pricing.

I’m not knocking the business decision. I just don’t buy the “good for everyone long term” sales pitch for it. Just call a spade a spade. DRT will make a short term killing on profit margin, units won’t be available until later, and then cost goes up for everyone. That’s the reality.
 
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Wrong, they used to be $3k on expert voice. After a month, they dropped to $2k. Now that all the inventory is bought, they can justify “demand” for higher pricing.

I’m not knocking the business decision. I just don’t buy the “good for everyone long term” sales pitch for it. Just call a spade a spade. DRT will make a short term killing on profit margin, units won’t be available until later, and then cost goes up for everyone. That’s the reality.
Enough dealers were making a fuss that the 2k blems were finished. Expert voice may have been a different story but that's not available to the masses like this deal is. I respect your opinion though. Bottom line is....This optic is a heck of a deal even at the current 3500 MAP.
 

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Here's a little comparison of the Voodoo S and the C35. I wanted to use the same day optic, but didn't bring an extra wilcox FTS mount with me. Voodoo was using the EOTech Vudu 1-6x24 and the C35 with the Vortex 1-10x24.

Will the voodoo is much smaller, lighter, and has more realistic image...the cost is high. This C35 is a lot of thermal for the price.

Thermal conditions today were unfavorable with high humidity, rain, wind, and 36⁰ at the time of these photos being taken. I'll post the video this weekend.
 

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    Anyone have any luck getting an external power source to work on these through USB-C? I tried a 5VDC / 1000mA input output / 2200mAh charger with no success.
     

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    I've used these pic mount packs with success.
     

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    Anyone have any luck getting an external power source to work on these through USB-C? I tried a 5VDC / 1000mA input output / 2200mAh charger with no success.
    Yep, I did. You have the have the 18650 B in it as well for the battery bank to work. Without the 18560, I couldn't get it to turn on with the battery bank. It will give the notification on the display that the external battery is hooked up.
     

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    How’s the FOV on these in actual use for something like hog hunting within 25-50yds?

    We can usually walk up to them pretty close.
     

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    Yep, I did. You have the have the 18650 B in it as well for the battery bank to work. Without the 18560, I couldn't get it to turn on with the battery bank. It will give the notification on the display that the external battery is hooked up.
    Okay, so it’ll flash the battery symbol and then flash the plug with prongs. I guess that means it’s running off external power?
     
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    I would guess $2K is even below cost for Steiner. The fake “blem” thing is used by many manufacturers to liquidate excess inventory and create quick cashflow. Steiner created a minor shitstorm with their blem antics, but I got two units for $4K, so I’m not complaining. I still think the unit is worth $3500 all day long, but it was bad form by Steiner to essentially punish their existing customers by dumping them so cheaply.

    But, at the end of the day, we’re not talking about a lot of money here.
     

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    Played some today. Kinda humid and rainy so didn’t do much. Had it on my 10.5 sbr, and the Scar16 just for playing sake
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    White wall is range backstop at 200 yards
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    Today I got to zero the C35 on the last gun I intend to use it with for now, a 10.5" 300 Blk AR. This one wound up needing 1
    click left adjustment but elevation was still +2 like the other five guns I've zeroed the C35 on. Function was flawless on this one as well.

    I also found a feature today that I didn't think this model had that is VERY handy for using as a scanner. The PIP function gives you a small magnified image of the centerish of the FOV and, due to its smart placement, does not interfere with clip-on use. I kept thinking that having a digital zoom function on this would make it a lot more useful for handheld scanning (even though that was not this model's intended use), so I was thrilled when I accidentally discovered this today. I will be keeping PIP on from here out. This just keeps getting better, everyone needs one of these :love:
     

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    I would guess $2K is even below cost for Steiner. The fake “blem” thing is used by many manufacturers to liquidate excess inventory and create quick cashflow. Steiner created a minor shitstorm with their blem antics, but I got two units for $4K, so I’m not complaining. I still think the unit is worth $3500 all day long, but it was bad form by Steiner to essentially punish their existing customers by dumping them so cheaply.

    But, at the end of the day, we’re not talking about a lot of money here.
    If they really wanted to gin up some sales they could start dumping some FP Dbal A3 50/50/50 or 50/50/200 units on the market. :LOL:

    I'm sure where there is a will, there could be a way. :LOL:
     
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    I kept thinking that having a digital zoom function on this would make it a lot more useful for handheld scanning (even though that was not this model's intended use), so I was thrilled when I accidentally discovered this today. I will be keeping PIP on from here out. This just keeps getting better, everyone needs one of these :love:
    you can also hold the up button to digital zoom the screen if you want -

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    The manual is a lie. I thought the same thing a few pages back.
    Yeah you’re right. All the other functions from that chart seem to work on mine, but not the digital zoom. Must be for their scope version, not the clipon.

    And the app is actually pretty usable, as contrasted with my experience with the iRay one being pretty frustrating. Real easy to stream or download photos/videos.
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    Take this as an initial perspective from someone who has dedicated thermal units and has used i2 clip on units

    I was thinking about buying a thermal Clip-on (albeit I was looking at larger objective units), but I couldn't resist what steiner did here...

    I did with this as I do with most things...
    Open and try to use it without reading the manual, just to see if it's intuitive enough I can hand it to a buddy that tags along
    Seems very functional and relatively straight forward to use. Nice that it has a shutter given how far out front the objective sits, and that's one less thing I have to explain to a new buddy.
    Seems to have enough depth of field to cover making shots over any distance I'd be in a hurry to make... so I imagine this will be a set it to a range that I can manage shots from 25-200 and just forget it's up there... it won't be in perfect focus by any means on the close or far end of the expected range but if a helmet unit / spotter had already made positive id that its a "shoot" then initial impression would be that there is enough image to put shots on target across a wide range of distances.

    I find the PiP function more functional than expected even when on the rifle. At 1x it gives me a little window to help id and if I zoom up to 4x or better it basically disappears from view

    I threw it in front of a Burris 1-8 just to look around, and my first thought is I'm not sure I need more than about 4-5x to do what I plan with this thing.
    Now I need to find / purchase a super short 1-4 / 1-6 scope for a couple rifles and this should be a nice fit

    I will say my dedicated thermal night rifle does handle better to me than this thing but it does make for an easy cross over rifle from day to night
     

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    @PlinkIt I agree with all your points.

    It really shines from 1 to 4 magnification in my opinion. You can use 5-10 but the FOV becomes very narrow and at 8-10 the image really starts to pixalate.

    From point blank to ~100 yards the focus adjustments are substantial. 100-200 is minimal and after 200 it’s just fine tuning.

    I thought I recorded a video last night, but I must not have held down the right button long enough. I was observing some does at 300-350 yards. I felt comfortable with the resolution for identification and recognition (to make sure it wasn’t someone’s dog or dogs) to take a shot on game (hog/coyote) at that range if needed. I backed up to about 375-400 and still felt confident. I honestly think with x4 you can identify and recognize game at least to 400 yards, if not further.
     

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    I will admit that the photos do not do the actual resolution justice.

    House and Toyota Tundra ~65-70yards
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    Humidity and rain really change the pic quality. Seeing your pics here, I can’t wait for our weather to change so I can get some good clear views like this.
     

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    Yeah that’s what I do. I wait until I am home and transfer them, but the quality still isn’t as good as in person
    Yeah the image while looking through is dang good. I’m impressed with it from what little I played yesterday. I’ll wait until I’m at the house and see how it does
     

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    Went back to the shop to play with it some more. Adjusted the brightness settings and played with image menu. Got some much better pics today.
    Barn is 267 yards
    Wood line is 343

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    Alright, I tested out the C35 on two (2) different rifles today. An ATX in 6.5CM with NF ATACR 7-35 and a SPR in 223 with a NF 4-16.

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    When I arrived at the range it started raining heavily and the humidity was bad after. There were some bad photos during that time but I can’t tell if they weren’t in focus or if there was movement. I am not going to post those, because they certainly weren't indicative of what I saw through the scope.

    I checked zero without the C35 with three rounds. Then put the C35 on and sent 2-3 rounds downrange at 100 yards. I used aluminum foil for the thermal, which did not work well in the shade but worked really well in direct sunlight. Anyway, my zero with the C35 was 0 windage and 4 elevation in both the ATX and SPR. It was kinda a crude zero and could use some further fine tuning.

    After zero I sent about 10 rounds downrange with the ATX from 200 - 310 yards. That’s as far as I got. The seven (7) power on the low end really hinders you.

    Next up was the 223 SPR. I was able to consistently make impacts at 210, 310, 390, and 440 yards on 2moa targets. I was able to clean the plate rack at 310, but had issues on the plate rack at 390. I got hits on the 1moa target at 440 but it was difficult. I ran the ATACR from 4-6 power and was really impressed. I had problems seeing the 515 yard targets and did not attempt to engage. Those targets were in the shade and I assume were the same temperature as the background.

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    Alright, I tested out the C35 on two (2) different rifles today. An ATX in 6.5CM with NF ATACR 7-35 and a SPR in 223 with a NF 4-16.

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    When I arrived at the range it started raining heavily and the humidity was bad after. There were some bad photos during that time but I can’t tell if they weren’t in focus or if there was movement. I am not going to post those, because they certainly weren't indicative of what I saw through the scope.

    I checked zero without the C35 with three rounds. Then put the C35 on and sent 2-3 rounds downrange at 100 yards. I used aluminum foil for the thermal, which did not work well in the shade but worked really well in direct sunlight. Anyway, my zero with the C35 was 0 windage and 4 elevation in both the ATX and SPR. It was kinda a crude zero and could use some further fine tuning.

    After zero I sent about 10 rounds downrange with the ATX from 200 - 310 yards. That’s as far as I got. The seven (7) power on the low end really hinders you.

    Next up was the 223 SPR. I was able to consistently make impacts at 210, 310, 390, and 440 yards on 2moa targets. I was able to clean the plate rack at 310, but had issues on the plate rack at 390. I got hits on the 1moa target at 440 but it was difficult. I ran the ATACR from 4-6 power and was really impressed. I had problems seeing the 515 yard targets and did not attempt to engage. Those targets were in the shade and I assume were the same temperature as the background.

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    This was all daytime shooting, correct?