So, your saying it was actually 1908?
Damn, the internet let me down again!
Ok, clear it up for me. Which point wasn't so?
Here, ill help. I didn't follow the ASME y14.5, three significant digits, rounding rules.
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So, your saying it was actually 1908?
Damn, the internet let me down again!
Ok, clear it up for me. Which point wasn't so?
Here, ill help. I didn't follow the ASME y14.5, three significant digits, rounding rules.
Back to the point of OP, I think it's incredibly ironic how much the uber government loving media harps on this considering this is what the US will be like if our government keeps expanding it's influence into our private lives. Right now the only reason they hate Trump and Republicans is because they're actively trying to push back against the tide that is constantly eroding the extremes of our liberties and our well being...at this point it's not even extremes...depending on where you live, the simple notion of someone's perception having their feelings hurt by something you said is potentially grounds for a lawsuit. While not criminal, legislation still exists that has perpetuated and supports the precedence from which that kind of BS stems and it serves to restrict one's ability to even speak...the 1st amendment castrated one nut at a time. Well, #wakethefuckup. If people think that government is the solution, then they need to get used to the fact that the government will dictate every aspect of their life and livelihood and they'll just have to bend over and take it. I'm not certain how people don't understand this. Government processes are at least 4000x less efficient, and for every ounce of flesh you think it gives you, if you look in the mirror behind you you'll see that it has taken at least 10lbs of flesh from your back.
Again, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it? You pick the least controversial one in a period when the Federal Government had to administer law across vast swaths of land only inhabited by natives living in The Stone Age. I can assure you that if that was at all unconstitutional the SCOTUS of the time would have shot it down. However, it was a totally legitimate exercise of executive power, and it remains so today. I retorted with an accurate guess of how many separate police forces the Federal Government is currently running. Almost every one most certainly used the precident of a legitimate Federal force to justify it's own existence not at the direct behest of the Executive Branch, but at the behest of the agency and bureaucracy which controls it. See a difference? Maybe not...
Here's a tip. No one here is really an extremist. We're all constitutional Liberals (big L, meaning limited government), actual ones, so whatever point you're trying to prove other than you can type into google is lost on me at least. I think I've asked what your point is three times now and you're unable to come up with anything other than google results. "Evidence" of what?
Yes, the government is awful. Working in manufacturing, NFA items specifically, the government drain on resources is crippling.
After giving the city, county, several state agencies and 4 different federal agencies their cut, my first couple months of production are given away.
Between the Tax and Trade Bureau, Dept of States ITAR fees, ATFs licensing fees, documentation requirements, having to file monthly tax returns with the state, it is't worth it. It would be much cheaper ro re-incorporate in a country that isn't so heavily "regulated".
A license is where the government takes away a right, then sells it back to you.
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My point was that we need law enforcement. We did then, and we do now.
My point was also, that i didnt pick the least controversial "one". I provided links, with a list showing many, dozens, of law enforcement agencies that were established well before (in most cases, near 6 decades) 1908.
My point was, that providing information as fact, that can be proven wrong in a few seconds, does us no favors.
My point was, that the out of control growth of law enforcement into its current form followed the same trend, out of control growth of crime, which followed the trend of urbanization, and the emergence of the welfare state. Both correlation and causation can be shown by publicly available data.
My point was, if someone provides a link to data, the reply "thats fake cause it shows the opposite of what i think", doesn't help your case. It hurts your case.
My point was, that while were on the same side here, some of the asenine things that have been stated as facts, are anything but, and help the enemy make their point, about us.
Example: We dont need law enforcement now, because we didnt need it in 1900ish.
Well we did need it, and we also had it.
We had less of it, because we had less need for it. (See fake data above)
If i took the time to look up the number of illegal border entries on the southwest border, per year, and compared that to the annual increase in the number of Border Patrol personnel, and found correlation, would i be accused of being a "liberal" and "fucktard"? Just "making shit up", to further the governments agenda. Because thats exactly what liberals expect from us.
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I suppose i will disregard then.
I kinda agree with your post, except for the part where its my fault.
But, your discussion tactic is an example i can use.
Lets say you are arguing with a liberal, and you lead with "Your feel good socialist bs killed the family structure". The first thing to happen, is that that person doesn't take another word you say seriously. The second thing they do is to go vote, usually twice.
As opposed to an argument laced with facts, dates and evidence. And maybe tact.
If i showed a person a chart or graph, showing the percentage of the population on welfare, over the decades, and compared that to a chart showing the percentage of the population living in single parent households, then threw in some data showing the change in crime over time, that person would be less likely to tune you out. At least, less likely than if you just called him a fucktard.
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Yeah read that reply again and deleted it cause apparently you are not a commie
But fuck leftists. Truth hurts. They f up everything.
And we have way too many laws regulations and cops.
I'm fine with cutting LE down to maybe a tenth of what they are now. Maybe they could focus on crime instead of taxing and harassing the tax slave. And figuring out new ways to violate the constitution and new ways to squander money.
There's a department that has 20mm's. No need for that ever. You wonder why the perception of LE has changed drastically in the last 15-20 years. They make the bed they are now laying in.
What we need is a peaceful assembly of about a million Deplorables with rifles in front of the Capital. Then just say we are here to remind Congress who works for who. Come peaceably, Leave peaceably and watch the reaction. Maybe tell Trump we are at your service and we have your back. Just call out the Deplorable Militia and we shall respond. Just a thought.
Yup^ like ten million. Make a road trip from to Ct, then NYC, down through NJ and Baltimore then hit the DC March.
Gun owners won't contribute to NRA let alone GOA or SAF. They aren't going to a March
Talking about a armed March is probably conspiracy
Gun owners won't contribute to NRA let alone GOA or SAF. They aren't going to a March
Talking about a armed March is probably conspiracy
Go right ahead and search that out yourself. I'm not contesting that fertilizers work. But getting increased yields through high application rates have consequences on our waterways.
That's just one link I put up, to show a global comparison. I also linked this one:
https://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/10/969/2018/essd-10-969-2018.pdf
That summarizes four studies that show good correlation. Again, if you don't like the five publications I've linked to that all show continued growth in fertilizer use in the USA, then show your choice of a peer-reviewed publication. To be clear, I do realize that not all farmers over-apply. My brother-in-law is the only farmer in my family that still has a large farm. When he moved from the pure family farm approach to the family/corporate hybrid approach, he changed philosophy completely. Whereas he used to use minimal fertilizer, he now follows the corporate-taught plan. His yields are up, but his drainage streams have become sewers and his ponds get HABs pretty much every year.
I'm not going to give you my employer's name. I contract to direct research in a wide range of programs, from city and state agencies to DOD to NPS. I can't talk about the current DOD project specifics, but an examples from the past include the F117A, B2, Raptor and the M1 Abrams. I have no agenda to victimize the American farmer and am sympathetic to what the family farmer has had to deal with, particularly over the last 3 decades. Most of my relatives have sold their farms and either retired or moved on to other work because it's become so hard to compete with the corporations.
My real point is you quote statistics but are all but lacking in practical experience farming.
It reminds me of "Bank Managers", they've been employed to manage a farm/farms but don't have a clue how/what it takes to actually do it.
You obviously have an axe to grind concerning farming.
Another way to describe your employment would be a government employee.
Until you've paid the land notes and equipment payments by selling a commodity it's all just "google" links.
I'll respect the secret squirrel shit as it makes it near impossible to verify.
BTW- we've had more than a few make these claims in the pit.
PSS, If you can come up with a way to cut back application rates and maintain yield come on down.
I can think of a couple hundred thousand acres of ground that would be all ears.
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LOL. You have no idea what my practical farming experience involves.
Not at all. Most of the farmers and ranchers I've known and worked with are true salt-of-the-earth people.
You have to feed the seed and the plant, got it. But you also have to realize there are consequences.
In other news, water is wet! Both cognitive dissonance and ridiculous straw men.
You must live in Boston or NYC if such elementary truth makes you arrogant and superior. Out here we don’t need the likes of you to tell us we need, or are thankful for, law enforcement.
The Department of Education police force is something different entirely.
Too many laws that should not be laws and too many fed cops enforcing them. Its a way to enslave and hold absolute control over the population.
I hope we has veva major conflagration to clean this up. Sooner the better.
I hope we has veva major conflagration to clean this up. Sooner the better.
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That's 6 points. Sounds more like a position. If all of that was past tense, does that mean you have new points? A new position not based on bullshit?
Past tense, because the point was made in the past. In a past statement. Im sure you knew that. Well, maybe.
Are they bullshit because they are incorrect, or because you don't like that they are correct, or something else?
Give me your definition of bullshit, in this context.
You know, instead of calling bullshit on things you dont like, calling me a retard is a more effective way of disputing the accuracy of a claim.
It totally invalidates everything ive said up to that point, makeing it clear that the information was made up as part of a government conspiracy.
Are they bullshit because they are incorrect, or because you don't like that they are correct, or something else?
Give me your definition of bullshit, in this context.
You know, instead of calling bullshit on things you dont like, calling me a retard is a more effective way of disputing the accuracy of a claim.
It totally invalidates everything ive said up to that point, makeing it clear that the information was made up as part of a government conspiracy.
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Your point is until it isn't anymore. When your point is no longer your point, then your point was.
In this case, point is synonymous with opinion. Opinions don't disappear once you press the "Post Reply" button.
Ok, i got you. I was referring to the points made, in a previously written statement. While those points, were made, in the past. They are no less valid or factual, in the present. Does that clear things up?
Im going to politely bow out gentlemen. Enjoy your day.
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I've never owned farm land, so the financial side of ownership and dealing with that stress was at least one step removed. But we were family and neighbor connected and my dad was a hard man as a farmer, so we all had some of that ownership. The weather often has an impact on the timing of prepping to plant, planting, etc., so I know what it's like to deal with super long days getting seed in. I have good mechanical aptitude, so I've dealt with working all night to get the tractor running because it's time to plant. I've dealt with early, mid and late season weather problems to deal with wet or dry conditions, bugs, beasts, taking a chance on a new strain then winning or losing etc. I know what it's like to work 72 hours straight to harvest because a freak storm is incoming ahead of your plans, then go straight to school to take exams on no sleep. I've cleared land, maintained fences and all the other off-season work you have to do like building barns, chasing cattle, etc. Etc.
I want you to understand the following isn't to be taken personal.
What you've described is the standard of farming.
Anyone who has done it can match your list, this would include hired men.
Livestock included.
Managing the farm plus doing all the above is on a different level.
The responsibilities/burdens of managment include doing all the thinking as well as getting everyone under you paid.
As you may know some hired men are like family.
Marketing grain is a whole other skill set.
Dealing with government programs and the EPA as well.
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I think the problem is that most people cannot accept facts and figures over their own biases. So, arguing with an extreme left or right party member who simply doesn’t care about truth is futile. You aren’t going to persuade them one way or the other. That’s the problem. No side is willing to concede any ground and the divide gets worse and worse. At some moment in time there will be a flashpoint, it’s inevitable at this point. I’m not even really sure the republic can be saved now. I don’t know who caused all of this or how we got this way but from a gun owning true libertarians perspective it seems more and more to me like hardcore leftist ideals have been shoved down the conservatives throats so much without any care their opinions that the left caused this nonsense. See from a conservatives standpoint this is the final stand. They have been pushed to a point where they are backed into a corner. They have conceded things for decades now and never get anything in return. Trump, for a lot of people, was the final civil act of saving grace. They don’t know what to do otherwise. Does that make sense? If we continue down this path, the result is going to be, in Trump words, very very bad.
In regards to farm land and running/owning a farm I couldn’t tell you a damn thing. I have no experience there aside from working on one a bit with my cousins as a teenager. Bailed hay, did chicken houses and crap like that. My cousin owns one of the most successful farms of the south so he might coukd give his opinion on all of this lol if I could get him to become a member.
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You're not arguing with anyone but your own straw men who you set up and knock down, and apparently this is enough to allow you a sense of superiority... No one said anything close to we don't need law enforcement, or law enforcement is not a legitimate executive branch operation. Face palm all you want, but your still retarded and making points with/against no one but yourself. I wish my ego was so easily auto-stroked.
I'll reiterate, I think we tend libertarian, but not in a devotional way in which reality doesn't intrude on ideology. We're libertarian to the point where it stops working well, and I think everyone here admits there is a point in which you have to diverge from the ideals (like our Constitutional compromise). Just because I don't worship law enforcement doesn't mean I'm "against" it, any more than just because I rail against the excesses of the Federal Government I believe we don't need one. We do, it is just supposed to be chained within the Constitution, and it's supposed to stay out of our lives. Since it is now incapable of doing what it was designed to do, and full of people who want to run my life, I'm for burning the motherfucker to the ground. It isn't personal at all, and there's really no malice in my heart other than sadness that so many who've sworn to protect and Defend our Constitution are utter oath breakers.
The US Constitution Guarantees my Right to Peaceably Assemble, To Keep and Bear Arms and Freedom of Speech. I did not call for armed insurrection. So no Conspiracy here......
How did this thread become a farm and fertilizer argument? But while we're on the topic of farm subsidies, I wouldn't mind those subsidies as much if they were for actual food, but where they're used for ethanol and other biofuels I have a problem. As much as I believe the US continually having a strong agricultural sector is a national security issue and ensuring the small time farmers can remain operational following a weak production year is as well, but subsidizing farming production for non-food purposes is outright bullshit. Same goes for not having an income cap for who gets those subsidies, because farms still turning a net profit of >$150k don't need a government handout at taxpayer expense.
I have the same issue with petroleum and coal subsidies, and I live in an energy state that receives big benefits from those. The last thing the energy sector needs is taxpayer money. We don't need to subsidize extraction for greatly profitable industries for any reason, ever.
As for the rest of the shutdown, keep it going. The liberal strongholds that are also hugely reliant on government income to keep them afloat are only now beginning to feel the strain. Few weeks, few months, whatever it takes.
I have the same issue with petroleum and coal subsidies, and I live in an energy state that receives big benefits from those. The last thing the energy sector needs is taxpayer money. We don't need to subsidize extraction for greatly profitable industries for any reason, ever.
As for the rest of the shutdown, keep it going. The liberal strongholds that are also hugely reliant on government income to keep them afloat are only now beginning to feel the strain. Few weeks, few months, whatever it takes.
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The gist of what you're saying in an obnoxious millennial track with over 200 million views.
I am of the opinion that most nfa manufacturers pay for trough donation and support the regulations as a barrier to entry for competition. So you are either part of that cabal or one of the few with balls enough to play their game and compete while not paying for more regulation? Which one are you?
Maybe that's why I mentioned the topic in the first sentence of post 323.
Similarly, although you no doubt have intimate knowledge of the use of fertilizer on your farm, I doubt that you have one percent of the background I have on the technical and scientific aspects of nutrients in natural waters. Part of my job is to design methods and studies to determine the identity of contaminant sources, the fates of pollutants in rivers and ground waters, through treatment facilities, etc. I'd rather spend my work time optimizing carbon fiber composites for the DOD, but water quality is important too.
And I'll say it again: If you have nationwide or global data about fertilizer use from a peer-reviewed publication that contradict the links I put up, then let's see it.
The same democrats complaining about workers not being paid want a 70% income tax.
Workers. Lol. More like welfare with a show up requirement
I could go on an on about ranch shit, I lived on one for a couple years too when I was a teenager. Not for me. Govt. fucks them hard. No lube. Amazed they still do the work. Corporations and greedbags ruining it further, especially GMO operations like Pioneer Seeds, good old Monsanto.
As for the OP now, yeah, they're really upset that their security isn't being paid. REALLY upset. Wow. Fuckers wanna disarm us, but have top level security guarding their disgusting asses from the people they are supposed to "represent".
I noticed the SSD and VA comp. & pen. checks went out on time, if not early actually. And the VA hospitals are open. So is the PO so I have to admit it's really not affecting me so much. This time.
As for the OP now, yeah, they're really upset that their security isn't being paid. REALLY upset. Wow. Fuckers wanna disarm us, but have top level security guarding their disgusting asses from the people they are supposed to "represent".
I noticed the SSD and VA comp. & pen. checks went out on time, if not early actually. And the VA hospitals are open. So is the PO so I have to admit it's really not affecting me so much. This time.
I’m hoping Trump is really with us and this is his way of showing everyone that we don’t need 90% of the gov. Lol
sadly he signed an order saying the fed leeches will get back pay, No other industry that fails would workers get paid they would get unemployment. This is fucked up, Trump is not as smart as he seems to think he is. These same workers vote for the dems by 97%. Fuck them muther fuckers, let them starve or get a real job that adds to the economy.
Excepted Federal Employees in Law Enforcement cannot go on unemployment. They are working and should get paid when this over.
They can’t collect unemployment if they are working even though they are not getting paid because eventually they will get paid. Fucked deal for now. But, its what they signed up for.
I don't feel one bit guilty for getting back pay.
As I have said before, I took a huge pay cut by leaving the civil sector to work for the Federal Government. I'm damn good at what I do and there's a damn good reason that I exist for my job.
The sad fact is there are idiots like Pelosi and Schumer who want to use us as pawns in their power struggle game. That's not my fault.
There's also the sad fact that the American people are being lied to. There are a lot of us that are really essential. The taxpayers are told that every function with the Federal Government is safe and secure because it's a "limited" shutdown. That's BS.
I'd love to tel you what I do so you could get a good dose of reality but I can't.
Like I said, one of the reasons that I accepted a pay cut was to work a 40 hour week and shed a lot of the BS that came with my civil sector job. The other reason I accepted employment was the security that a government job affords.
I should be making twice as much as I am making now, and that's a temptation a lot of us are looking at. In my particular field the Federal Government is facing a shortage. There are not enough of us to do the job as it stands now. One of the reasons we have a shortfall in experts in my field is that the pay sucks compared to what we could be making in the civil sector.
If you want to bitch about useless employees then bitch about the people that hand out the checks to the people that WILL NOT work. I'm just as mad as you about worthless employees and welfare leeches.
Here's a novel idea. Let's stop taking money from people that work (that includes people like me) and stop giving it to people that WILL NOT work.
Jerry, I like a lot of things that you say but you are painting all Federal Employees with the same broad paintbrush.
She dont feel guilty getting something for nothing either, hell she has become entitled to it... In yer mind, just like you have become entitled to other peoples money for nothing in return.
No other part of the American economy has such criminal compensation expectations and actual paybacks , it amouts to theft of service and outright theft.
Show me in the constitution where you are essential of shut the fuck up about being needed, we dont need you, got that, we can protect ourselves, you fuckers cause more problems than you are worth, the loss of freedom in the name of what you caused to be allegedly unsafe is astounding. I dont want to pay you for nothing I dont want you on the "job" pretending to be heroes and servants of the public.
No pay, people that dont work dont get pay.
No other part of the American economy has such criminal compensation expectations and actual paybacks , it amouts to theft of service and outright theft.
Show me in the constitution where you are essential of shut the fuck up about being needed, we dont need you, got that, we can protect ourselves, you fuckers cause more problems than you are worth, the loss of freedom in the name of what you caused to be allegedly unsafe is astounding. I dont want to pay you for nothing I dont want you on the "job" pretending to be heroes and servants of the public.
No pay, people that dont work dont get pay.
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You make a good point about this entitled bitch except that I do something for the American people in return for the compensation that I receive. That's a facet in this entire debate that you refuse to accept.
Can you find another country that you would be better off in? Can you find another country that has NO government that you long to see? Can you find another country where anyone can go about doing anything they wish?
If you can find another place to live that has the type of government and freedoms that you long for, then why don't you go there? If you can't find that country then it sounds like all you do is bitch and don't do anything about it.
It sounds like you are the type of gunowner that I've dealt with over the years. They bitch about all the dumb ass gun laws but NEVER bother to contact their elected representatives. They bitch about paying taxes but NEVER bother to pick up the phone to contact their elected representatives. They are good at throwing stones but never lift a finger to fix anything. Not ever battle is won but if all you do is bitch, then the libtards and communists will always get their way cause lazy big-mouthed complainers do nothing and let everyone else in their camp do the work.
Your last message is spot on about the welfare leeches in this country except for the fact that you put me in the same category. You label me and all Federal Employees as entitled leeches. By doing that, it detracts from the entire point that you are trying to make.
If you do something delegated to the fedgov by the constitution? If so quit taking issue with what I am saying, playing the victim like fat EBT bitch.
I see very little diff between Fat EBT Bitch and 95% of FedGov
"Can you find another country that you would be better off in? Can you find another country that has NO government that you long to see? Can you find another country where anyone can go about doing anything they wish? "
So you say we owe what we have here in the USA to the State? You are definitely ignorant as to the relationship that this government has to the people, we owe the sate nothing , nothing at all for what we have that is good and almost everything for every freedom we have lost over the past 100 years.
It sounds like you are the type of gunowner that I've dealt with over the years. They bitch about all the dumb ass gun laws but NEVER bother to contact their elected representatives. They bitch about paying taxes but NEVER bother to pick up the phone to contact their elected representatives. They are good at throwing stones but never lift a finger to fix anything. Not ever battle is won but if all you do is bitch, then the libtards and communists will always get their way cause lazy big-mouthed complainers do nothing and let everyone else in their camp do the work.
Is that how you talk to your employer? And you wonder why we want you fired.
You really don't know how much I have been involved with the politics in the past, But I will tell you it shaped me to be the way I am right now, opened up my eyes to how the citizens are being played and bought me back to the Constitution.
I see very little diff between Fat EBT Bitch and 95% of FedGov
"Can you find another country that you would be better off in? Can you find another country that has NO government that you long to see? Can you find another country where anyone can go about doing anything they wish? "
So you say we owe what we have here in the USA to the State? You are definitely ignorant as to the relationship that this government has to the people, we owe the sate nothing , nothing at all for what we have that is good and almost everything for every freedom we have lost over the past 100 years.
It sounds like you are the type of gunowner that I've dealt with over the years. They bitch about all the dumb ass gun laws but NEVER bother to contact their elected representatives. They bitch about paying taxes but NEVER bother to pick up the phone to contact their elected representatives. They are good at throwing stones but never lift a finger to fix anything. Not ever battle is won but if all you do is bitch, then the libtards and communists will always get their way cause lazy big-mouthed complainers do nothing and let everyone else in their camp do the work.
Is that how you talk to your employer? And you wonder why we want you fired.
You really don't know how much I have been involved with the politics in the past, But I will tell you it shaped me to be the way I am right now, opened up my eyes to how the citizens are being played and bought me back to the Constitution.
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Trying to compare Longshot231 to the fat bitch in the video is bullshit, and you know it Jerry.
Article II of the Constitution gives the President the power to enforce laws enacted by the Legislative Branch.
The Department that I work for was created to enforce some of those laws that were enacted by Congress. The agency within that Department was also created by an act of law passed and signed by the POTUS.
So my work has the full weight of the Constitution behind it.
then quit acting like a fucking government teet sucking welfare queen.
A person with your attitude of entitlement should not be allowed to enforce a goddam thing.
Are you enforcing actual laws? or like plumbing code which is not law? TSA bag checker r Sgt At Arms of the house? One is constitutional the other is not.
last part is just fucking with ya.
A person with your attitude of entitlement should not be allowed to enforce a goddam thing.
Are you enforcing actual laws? or like plumbing code which is not law? TSA bag checker r Sgt At Arms of the house? One is constitutional the other is not.
last part is just fucking with ya.
Why don't you back up your accusations with solid facts and evidence?
You don't know me or know what I do. So what justification do you have for making a statement like that?
In addition, I have gone out of my way to address you in a professional and courteous manner on this forum. So what justification do you have to engage in a personal attack?
