We Need a Plan/Politicians Need To Get Off Their Fucking Lazy Asses

[MTB doc]

Full Disclosure: 1. My wife and I are both ER doctors. 2. I can't fucking stand politicians. Pretty much all of them, but especially liberals.


Reading through the thread regarding who has lost their job due to COVID-19 made me feel like this is only the beginning. From a medical standpoint, there is nothing that is going to happen anytime soon that will 'allow' people to get back to living normally and thus create supply/demand that our economy requires. From a disease perspective, there is no doubt that shelter in place and social distancing is the right thing to do to save lives. What I am afraid of is its potentially brutal long-lasting effects on the economy and thus people's lives.

One reason I am concerned is that we will not have herd immunity with the strategy we are pursuing. This absolutely is the correct strategy to pursue, however, people who socially distanced and sheltered will not safely be able to just pop back into work. They will be unprotected and they will get infected because the virus will continue to propagate due to a lack of herd immunity.

How do politicians fit into all of this? Well, I have not read a single thing about any planning on how to deal with people getting back to work and at what pace. Granted, I have been busy with everything going on and could have missed a few articles. What are the politicians doing right now? Same fucking thing they are good at and that is trying to bullshit and scheme for their stupid individual politics. What they should be doing is planning a return to work response. There should be a LOT of press regarding both federal and local government working with and expediting availability of IgM and IgG serum testing as this is going to be crucial regarding who is 'protected' and who isn't. I would bet this concept hasn't even crossed the majority of their minds.

 

[rtB]

I'm wondering what topping I should put on my trip tip sammich. And wondering if I can find all that stuff I lost in that horrible boating accident.

So horseradish or mustard, maybe a spicy pepper sauce?

 

[HeavyAssault]

I think the biggest "plan" is opened businesses with a reliance on the social distancing aspect included as a protective procedure. That has been said in a few briefings. Some "good idea fairy" ideas are having people wearing masks as a daily wardrobe choice. Once the "fix" is found you will see more places opened for crowds.

As they work to a vaccine, "cure", or significant treatment process we are still going to be working towards staying home.

 

[tomcatmv]

OP, your last sentence "I would bet this concept hasn't even crossed the majority of their minds." Is a rash assumption that they (politicians) actually have one. LOL. Oh and thanks for what you and your wife do.

 

[FS1]

Full Disclosure: 1. My wife and I are both ER doctors. 2. I can't fucking stand politicians. Pretty much all of them, but especially liberals.


Reading through the thread regarding who has lost their job due to COVID-19 made me feel like this is only the beginning. From a medical standpoint, there is nothing that is going to happen anytime soon that will 'allow' people to get back to living normally and thus create supply/demand that our economy requires. From a disease perspective, there is no doubt that shelter in place and social distancing is the right thing to do to save lives. What I am afraid of is its potentially brutal long-lasting effects on the economy and thus people's lives.

One reason I am concerned is that we will not have herd immunity with the strategy we are pursuing. This absolutely is the correct strategy to pursue, however, people who socially distanced and sheltered will not safely be able to just pop back into work. They will be unprotected and they will get infected because the virus will continue to propagate due to a lack of herd immunity.

How do politicians fit into all of this? Well, I have not read a single thing about any planning on how to deal with people getting back to work and at what pace. Granted, I have been busy with everything going on and could have missed a few articles. What are the politicians doing right now? Same fucking thing they are good at and that is trying to bullshit and scheme for their stupid individual politics. What they should be doing is planning a return to work response. There should be a LOT of press regarding both federal and local government working with and expediting availability of IgM and IgG serum testing as this is going to be crucial regarding who is 'protected' and who isn't. I would bet this concept hasn't even crossed the majority of their minds.

How about since you are a real doctor, you help me clear some of MSM BS from my brain and give me real logic and understanding? Please.

The "sky is falling", why? Why has this got everyone freaked out so badly?
To me it seems the panic is worse than the disease. Why am I wrong about that?
My thinking is either everyone is freaking out for nothing or I am not being told the real truth. Which is it?

 

[E. Bryant]

Most politicians couldn't run a fast-food place for a single shift. The same is increasingly true for the current crop of corporate leaders, who by and large are lawyers and accountants who came up through finance or HR instead of working their way up through the factories. Can't learn a whole lot about logistics when your speciality is performing mass layoffs.

So, no, we don't have leadership in this country that can perform useful work. Our leaders largely do not understand how food makes its way from the fields to the dinner table, and they don't understand how critical infrastructure and defense components are transformed from piles of raw ore to roads and bridges and the trucks that drive upon them.

I'm also increasingly skeptical that competent middle management still exists. I think we sent too much brainpower out to pasture with layoffs, early retirement, etc., and we're about to pay the price.

The longer that things aren't running, the more institutional inertia we'll accumulate that resists our attempts at bringing factories back online and refilling distribution "pipelines".

 

[natdscott]

Take a look at SBA's PPP program. Should roll out applications Friday.

Up to 100% of Payroll may be covered for businesses in the US that apply, via conventional lenders, and this is presently for the short term, but many think that these loans will either be extended, or possibly partially forgiven.

Not a perfect solution by any means, but they aren't entirely sitting on their asses. We'll be up to 7 conference calls this week with Representatives and Senators who are pushing for all of us. They aren't still on the phone with us at 9 pm because they fucking love it.

 

[j-huskey]

How about since you are a real doctor, you help me clear some of MSM BS from my brain and give me real logic and understanding? Please.

The "sky is falling", why? Why has this got everyone freaked out so badly?
To me it seems the panic is worse than the disease. Why am I wrong about that?
My thinking is either everyone is freaking out for nothing or I am not being told the real truth. Which is it?

This is a virus that, based on Italy and Spain numbers (disregarding the other countries who are definitely falsifying their numbers), is going to kill a segment of society until a vaccine is developed for that segment.

There is not enough known data to classify survivors versus 'those who will die' from this.

Every previous "thing" that has sickened and killed humans has killed segments of humanity at different levels. Some faster than others.

Related to the igM and IgS serums, medical science has not identified the genetic code that allows the human to live, vs the human to die, but the answer is hidden somewhere in the 5 serum levels produced after survival.

In each past "thing" vaccines have been created off the serum levels that allowed more of the "gonna die" segment to survive. The continued flu deaths provide one example of the vaccine failures to save certain members of "the gonna die" segment.
So far, no medical profession has provided a guaranteed vaccine because those "things" mutate... and the profession plays catch up, always.

This virus has so many unknowns. No one can accurately predict the final death count, but, based on modeling, as MORE ACCURATE data arrives, the death figures grow in the modeling, as WE see them growing in the hot spots here.

The unknowns, with the knowns, have created the panic, in the leadership, because they know, the whole world is not prepared to deal with the medical crisis attempting to treat the growing level of survivors versus the rapidly growing level of "gonna die" segment.

They cant tell us "the truth" because no one knows it yet. We wont know it, until those who survive naturally, clean up all the other dead at the end of round one, if no vaccine is developed, and all the "gonna die" segment dies.
And we cant know the truth of what's coming if it mutates like others have, and we start round two.

So, our leaders cannot tell us the truth, and even if they could, a certain segment of people couldn't accept it.

Either way, until WE beat this, like WE beat h1n1, h2n2, polio, etc to an acceptable death/disability level to the survivors, there will be panic, of "the sky is falling, we are all gonna die".
And as the deaths grow, the panic will grow, as we see it happening. The solutions are not coming fast enough to satisfy scared people.

Nobody today is mentally prepared to face the same level of disruption the plague caused that generation,
Nor the level of disruption the 1918 flu epidemic caused THAT generation.

Our leaders, based on modeling, with nothing else to go on, FEAR a level of disruption to this generation that is unimaginable because it's too soon into the "sickness"....

Historically, the only thing to slow the deaths has been social distancing and that worked when the agrarian society could survive without government assistance, and later, when people were less dependent on government THAN THEY ARE TODAY.

Our leaders KNOW, they cannot support the number of people dependent on government today, much less the number of people who will become dependent AS THE supporting ECONOMY fails (due to sickness and deaths alone, much less the closures to reduce sickness and deaths), and people cant support themselves. Those leaders have reason to panic. They created a world that cannot survive another 1918 style panic, and a government that cannot support the current population when a 1918 style "thing" arrives.

Its here, their failure looms large, they recognize it, and they have panicked. They dont know what the truth is, much less how to tell it.

They didnt prepare enough infrastructure to cover what the old folks called the hundred year flood, in this case, the hundred year pandemic.

The lack of medical supplies, hospital beds, and trained professionals world wide, prove, the whole world failed to provide for that 100 year calamity.

Now, the whole world has to learn that lesson again.

Each of us has to recognize these things, and that a great hardship is ahead, and adapt to it.

Today, we adapt to social distancing, limited contact, closed businesses, loss of income, of personal freedoms, in the first level of dealing with this.

When the death toll doubles tomorrow, and we lose some more,

We struggle to find a way to adapt.

We dont know yet what we have to do individually.

The leaders above us, with multiple people holding them accountable, know even less what adaption is required, throwing one makeshift solution at the problem every day.

Not the answer you wanted, much less a picture anyone wants to see.

 

[Tims]

Reading through the thread regarding who has lost their job due to COVID-19 made me feel like this is only the beginning. From a medical standpoint, there is nothing that is going to happen anytime soon that will 'allow' people to get back to living normally and thus create supply/demand that our economy requires. From a disease perspective, there is no doubt that shelter in place and social distancing is the right thing to do to save lives. What I am afraid of is its potentially brutal long-lasting effects on the economy and thus people's lives.

Its pretty simple. No supply/demand the economy crashes. If the economy crashes due to no supply/demand how is "shelter in place" the right thing to do?

One reason I am concerned is that we will not have herd immunity with the strategy we are pursuing. This absolutely is the correct strategy to pursue, however, people who socially distanced and sheltered will not safely be able to just pop back into work. They will be unprotected and they will get infected because the virus will continue to propagate due to a lack of herd immunity.

Stay home. "shelter in place".Don't go out in public. Live in fear. Go back to work and you die.........Well I guess life is over for you. I work for a large company that is considered essential. I have to work. I have to feed my family and pay the bills. Life is not always easy or safe.

How do politicians fit into all of this? Well, I have not read a single thing about any planning on how to deal with people getting back to work and at what pace. Granted, I have been busy with everything going on and could have missed a few articles. What are the politicians doing right now? Same fucking thing they are good at and that is trying to bullshit and scheme for their stupid individual politics. What they should be doing is planning a return to work response. There should be a LOT of press regarding both federal and local government working with and expediting availability of IgM and IgG serum testing as this is going to be crucial regarding who is 'protected' and who isn't. I would bet this concept hasn't even crossed the majority of their minds.

Never rely on politicians. That is the dumbest thing you can ever do. They don't have your best interest in mind. With that being said why would you care about their lack of planning? Be self sufficient.

 

[j-huskey]

@Tims

Absolutely no intent, no offense, no argument, nothing negative to you, zero, intended.

"Be self sufficient" is easy enough to say,

But, to the best prepared of us self sufficient preppers, I dont have a ventilator, to get attached to, when that bastard virus starts destroying my lungs.

Just sayin. And to others struggling to be self sufficient with less means than I, to some degree we are dependent on a benevolent governmental system, to provide that level of infrastructure.

Or, independently, self sufficient, we accept the death that will come because we cant be "that self sufficient" to have some medicines or medical apparatus that could save us otherwise.

Absolutely no offense or argumentative intent to you Hide Brother.

vr

And like you, work has not stopped or slowed down here, all risks seen, adapted to, and just moving on. Until something kills us...
Whether it's this virus or something else.
(Very jokingly, like my wife when she catches me with our other sister...?)

 

[FS1]

This is a virus that, based on Italy and Spain numbers (disregarding the other countries who are definitely falsifying their numbers), is going to kill a segment of society until a vaccine is developed for that segment.

There is not enough known data to classify survivors versus 'those who will die' from this.

Every previous "thing" that has sickened and killed humans has killed segments of humanity at different levels. Some faster than others.

Related to the igM and IgS serums, medical science has not identified the genetic code that allows the human to live, vs the human to die, but the answer is hidden somewhere in the 5 serum levels produced after survival.

In each past "thing" vaccines have been created off the serum levels that allowed more of the "gonna die" segment to survive. The continued flu deaths provide one example of the vaccine failures to save certain members of "the gonna die" segment.
So far, no medical profession has provided a guaranteed vaccine because those "things" mutate... and the profession plays catch up, always.

This virus has so many unknowns. No one can accurately predict the final death count, but, based on modeling, as MORE ACCURATE data arrives, the death figures grow in the modeling, as WE see them growing in the hot spots here.

The unknowns, with the knowns, have created the panic, in the leadership, because they know, the whole world is not prepared to deal with the medical crisis attempting to treat the growing level of survivors versus the rapidly growing level of "gonna die" segment.

They cant tell us "the truth" because no one knows it yet. We wont know it, until those who survive naturally, clean up all the other dead at the end of round one, if no vaccine is developed, and all the "gonna die" segment dies.
And we cant know the truth of what's coming if it mutates like others have, and we start round two.

So, our leaders cannot tell us the truth, and even if they could, a certain segment of people couldn't accept it.

Either way, until WE beat this, like WE beat h1n1, h2n2, polio, etc to an acceptable death/disability level to the survivors, there will be panic, of "the sky is falling, we are all gonna die".
And as the deaths grow, the panic will grow, as we see it happening. The solutions are not coming fast enough to satisfy scared people.

Nobody today is mentally prepared to face the same level of disruption the plague caused that generation,
Nor the level of disruption the 1918 flu epidemic caused THAT generation.

Our leaders, based on modeling, with nothing else to go on, FEAR a level of disruption to this generation that is unimaginable because it's too soon into the "sickness"....

Historically, the only thing to slow the deaths has been social distancing and that worked when the agrarian society could survive without government assistance, and later, when people were less dependent on government THAN THEY ARE TODAY.

Our leaders KNOW, they cannot support the number of people dependent on government today, much less the number of people who will become dependent AS THE supporting ECONOMY fails (due to sickness and deaths alone, much less the closures to reduce sickness and deaths), and people cant support themselves. Those leaders have reason to panic. They created a world that cannot survive another 1918 style panic, and a government that cannot support the current population when a 1918 style "thing" arrives.

Its here, their failure looms large, they recognize it, and they have panicked. They dont know what the truth is, much less how to tell it.

They didnt prepare enough infrastructure to cover what the old folks called the hundred year flood, in this case, the hundred year pandemic.

The lack of medical supplies, hospital beds, and trained professionals world wide, prove, the whole world failed to provide for that 100 year calamity.

Now, the whole world has to learn that lesson again.

Each of us has to recognize these things, and that a great hardship is ahead, and adapt to it.

Today, we adapt to social distancing, limited contact, closed businesses, loss of income, of personal freedoms, in the first level of dealing with this.

When the death toll doubles tomorrow, and we lose some more,

We struggle to find a way to adapt.

We dont know yet what we have to do individually.

The leaders above us, with multiple people holding them accountable, know even less what adaption is required, throwing one makeshift solution at the problem every day.

Not the answer you wanted, much less a picture anyone wants to see.

So you are saying we are waiting for the Govt that we don't trust and who did not properly prepare for this , to save us? As we destroy the US and the World's economies. While waiting for the that same Govt to create a magic elixir in record time to save us. We shall be saved and all relegated to bread lines.

I get the unknown thing. I do, I really do. But why do we destroy ourselves if it is unknown? More must be known than we are being told. Or have we chosen the chicken little approach because it's better than being wrong?

 

[Doc68]

Well it looks like we found a good candidate for our field medic

Army is asking for retired medical personnel to return to active duty, but yet I'm a medic and I'm sitting on my ass for the past 3 weeks now. Wtf.....

 

[Rthur]

How about reflecting on "essential" jobs and those that could be.
Relegate the useless horseshit to the dustbin.
Never happen because much of the horseshit is bureacracy.
Aim towards being a much more self reliant country.
Secure the borders and truly vet any and all comers.


R

 

[j-huskey]

So you are saying we are waiting for the Govt that we don't trust and who did not properly prepare for this , to save us? As we destroy the US and the World's economies. While waiting for the that same Govt to create a magic elixir in record time to save us. We shall be saved and all relegated to bread lines.

I get the unknown thing. I do, I really do. But why do we destroy ourselves if it is unknown? More must be known than we are being told. Or have we chosen the chicken little approach because it's better than being wrong?

I'm not saying that. No. I hope you dont read that in what I wrote either.

I am waiting on whether or not I am a genetic survivor of round one, or if I one of "those that's gonna die".

And i am moving forward with survival intent with what i have, waiting only for whatever my next breath brings. Not expecting the promise of tomorrow but will be glad of it, if I get it.

I, and others, ARE waiting on the MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS to find a solution just like they did historically before,
while I do my day to day thing, until, whatever the f happens.
If I survive to benefit from that medical professional solution, I will be grateful, or if I'm dead, I wont matter.

And, with a jaundiced eye, watch that government and the herd of lemmings headed towards the cliff. I cant stop those stupid mf'ers from doing their destructive act. I just try to avoid the splashback.

My family survived here since 1600/1650 and every depredation that attacked them btw arrival and to me today. A number of them had their economy destroyed but they still survived. Because they did, I believe I can too.
I put some of their lessons in my survival plans and will take it one day at a time, just like they did.

But, as I said to Tims above, I may die of something else before I see whatever inevitably happens, like (very jokingly, if my wife catches me with my/our other sister...)

I very much hope a year from now, you and I can continue to discuss this and other issues, and ruminate on the thoughts we have today, versus the thoughts I hope we have a year from now.

vr Hide Brother !

 

[j-huskey]

Army is asking for retired medical personnel to return to active duty, but yet I'm a medic and I'm sitting on my ass for the past 3 weeks now. Wtf.....

Questions.
Did you get a letter, phone, call, or email.
Have they contacted you individually.

If yes,
Did they give you a point of contact, a potential report in destination, and timeline.

Are there instructions those requested to return, are supposed to follow, published guidelines or, orders.

What is being seen on who IS returning to duty.

Thanks.
vr

Ahhh, I forget, hurry up and wait....

 

[StrayDog]

Poland farmer and surgeon called to duty during pandemic

Plastic surgeon Dr. Charles Foley expects to be caring for COVID-19 patients as part of his U.S. Army Reserve unit.

www.pressherald.com

 

[Strykervet]

Haven't you figured out yet that in a communist regime where all resources are controlled by the government, a doctor is little more than the prescription writing arm that allows them to keep tabs on pills so the peons don't just run amok free.

Seriously, having the goddamn government involved in my doctor patient relationship has been the worst, and most expensive "option" in US healthcare. I'm *this close* to saying fuck it, bust out the SF surgical manual and DIY'ing it. I can find a heroin dealer, save a bunch of money and get curbside service to boot.

Between "healthcare" and "gun control" and all this "freedom" they keep giving me, I swear these motherfuckers are TRYING to kill me.