Weed for ptsd. Thoughts?

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    Well, sometimes I smoke weed, but I never had problems with my mental health, I mean I am not so anxious or something like that. I use it just to relax, and to forget about everything, but I heard its also useful for people who suffer PTSD.

    Do you remember where you heard it?
     

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    PTSD is something that we're still trying to understand. What we know today it's by far greater than it was as little as 10 years ago. What we're finding is that how you treat somebody with PTSD versus other disorders is completely different. How the brain gets rewired after traumatic events is just barely being understood.

    Regarding treating the symptoms with weed... Absolutely. Why on Earth would somebody go put into their body and FDA-approved drug that causes worst problems that PTSD does. All those that I've ever met that are against weed are either highly religious, holier-than-thou types, or some type of drug-related traumatic experience themselves. Like PTSD, we're understanding more about weed than we did just a few years ago.

    Regardless of what drug is used to take the edge off, proper behavioral modification therapy is required. While you may not be able to change who you are, you can change how you are. You can change how you react to the things that affect you. Eventually, they don't affect you.

    Another problem with PTSD is where you get help. While there are plenty of psychologist that say they can help the problem my finding is the only ones that can help or those that have been there done that and then become successful. Think about a woman that's been raped. Do you think she wants to hear from somebody that's just read a book about it or somebody that has been through it, moved on with her life and had a successful business, family, great sex life Etc.
     
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    All those that I've ever met that are against weed are either highly religious, holier-than-thou types, or some type of drug-related traumatic experience themselves.
    Well, I'm none of those. I just have an issue with taking something that already causes problems with normal, healthy people, and adding it on top of someone's problems. It treats the symptoms (maybe), but does nothing to treat the cause. It's an easy button IMHO, that people use. And "easy" rarely works; in fact, "easy" usually gets you dead.
     

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    Well, I'm none of those. I just have an issue with taking something that already causes problems with normal, healthy people, and adding it on top of someone's problems. It treats the symptoms (maybe), but does nothing to treat the cause. It's an easy button IMHO, that people use. And "easy" rarely works; in fact, "easy" usually gets you dead.
    Agree. Not any different than alcohol. Just another crutch.
     
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    I'm curious. Brand new member, second post is on a six week old thread on marijuana. Were you smoking a little this afternoon?
     

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    Like....i see a lot of ban stickers in here.
    So Suckittrebuchet is likely back in prison, and some new shill revives this jewel. Guess weed smoking is real important to some folks.
    My oldest daughter thinks smoking weed fixes her problems too....from my vantage point, looks like she is still screwed up. Its certainly exacerbated some of her problems.
    Still think they should deregulated it completely. I hear it intensifies your personality, I'm an asshole so its best I leave it alone.
     
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    Agree. Not any different than alcohol. Just another crutch.
    Thats utter bullshit. I use alcohol and its not a crutch. After a hard days labor its nice to come home have a good meal and a glass of wine, brandy, or even a beer. Its only a
    crutch' if you become dependent on it and cant leave it alone.

    I dont use weed but have many friends that do and they use it like I use alcohol. After a days work its nice to kick back and change your state of mind. Id use it except for the legal implications especially involving firearms.

    What I WOULD discourage is 'smoking' anything, be it weed, cigarettes, vaping, and so on. Your lungs are made for air, not smoke. You wouldnt piss in your gas tank, why put smoke in your lungs. If you want to do some cannabis try edibles.

    And there is veirfiable instance of CBS' helping children (and others) with epilepsy.

    So dont try to hand me this 'crutch' hore shit, that just make s YOU look weak.
     

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    You don’t think most potheads have their own problems they’re treating by getting high? While you might be right about recreational users who do it on the weekends or occasionally, I am pretty sure if we analyze the lives of heavy, habitual users who are “self medicating” they would give you a panoply of reasons beyond just getting high. I’m not against you smoking pot. Knock yourself out.
    I am FOR keeping growing and it’s sale out of criminal hands.
    Guess what, alcohol DOES make you forget. It fucking works. How long that lasts, and what you pay for it is another story. At the end of the day it makes things worse. I’m not convinced that daily or heavy pot smoking doesn’t make things worse, but probably not as bad a alcohol...
     
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    Like....i see a lot of ban stickers in here.
    So Suckittrebuchet is likely back in prison, and some new shill revives this jewel. Guess weed smoking is real important to some folks.
    My oldest daughter thinks smoking weed fixes her problems too....from my vantage point, looks like she is still screwed up. Its certainly exacerbated some of her problems.
    Still think they should deregulated it completely. I hear it intensifies your personality, I'm an asshole so its best I leave it alone.
    I share that trait. Seems we both break a lot of shit as well. Hmmmmmmm Maybe we should....Nah.:ROFLMAO:
     
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    You don’t think most potheads have their own problems they’re treating by getting high? While you might be right about recreational users who do it on the weekends or occasionally, I am pretty sure if we analyze the lives of heavy, habitual users who are “self medicating” they would give you a panoply of reasons beyond just getting high. I’m not against you smoking pot. Knock yourself out.
    I am FOR keeping growing and it’s sale out of criminal hands.
    Guess what, alcohol DOES make you forget. It fucking works. How long that lasts, and what you pay for it is another story. At the end of the day it makes things worse. I’m not convinced that daily or heavy pot smoking doesn’t make things worse, but probably not as bad a alcohol...
    Mostly we agree. where I differ is that I can have a drink, or two, and put it away. I dont need it, I just enjoy it on occasion.

    It boils down to 'use', or 'abuse' just like everything else including guns.
     

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    We’re you gona say fuck? Chicken isn’t your type.
    Nah, I was gonna say get together and shot some shit but from what I know of him, and myself, we'ed (no pun intended) likely fuck some shit up and end up in trouble.
     

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    My deceased Mom gave me some sound advice. If you smoke ANYTHING , it will screw your lungs up eventually .....if you drink to much alcohol you’ll wake up feeling like shit and your liver will suffer......And don’t EVER get involved with a woman with more problems than you !
    I like a beer or 3 , never miss a run or a meal !
    She was into moderation is the key to anything mode 👍
     

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    Thats utter bullshit. I use alcohol and its not a crutch. After a hard days labor its nice to come home have a good meal and a glass of wine, brandy, or even a beer. Its only a
    crutch' if you become dependent on it and cant leave it alone.

    I dont use weed but have many friends that do and they use it like I use alcohol. After a days work its nice to kick back and change your state of mind. Id use it except for the legal implications especially involving firearms.

    What I WOULD discourage is 'smoking' anything, be it weed, cigarettes, vaping, and so on. Your lungs are made for air, not smoke. You wouldnt piss in your gas tank, why put smoke in your lungs. If you want to do some cannabis try edibles.

    And there is veirfiable instance of CBS' helping children (and others) with epilepsy.

    So dont try to hand me this 'crutch' hore shit , that just make s YOU look weak.
    Look dipshit, if you need alcohol then you have a problem, regardless why. It is a crutch.
    If you enjoy a glass of wine, whiskey or beer - good for you (so do I).
     

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    The only real danger with weed, or any drug that fucks with your dopamine and serotonin levels, is that it can really screw you up if you're not used to it. Folks who have battled demons tend to keep a straight keel with this sort of stuff, rose garden children (or children in general) not so much. You've all seen the kids who had everything throw it all away and overdose on drugs, tale as old as time.

    The problem in my eyes is that for 50+ years the official narrative that weed was the devil, would make you gay, get super into jazz, ruin your life, so on so forth. The reality we're realizing now is that the worst thing about weed is getting caught with weed. Is it perfectly harmless? No. I've seen weed "addiction" ruin families. Genuinely ruin them, no shit those families were kinda fucked from the start though and weed just didn't help or exacerbated the issues. Is it really the devil's lettuce though? Fuck no. There's a line between escapism and unwinding, for me it comes down to priorities. If it effects your priorities then you need to check that shit, weed/booze/cold showers should not be a priority. All that said I don't tell folks what to do with their own bodies on their own time unless it effects me so IDGAF. Maybe you're retired and wanna get stoned out everyday, go for it IDGAF. If you got shit to handle though you should be handling it, and not just as a race to the bottle/rolling papers. Or don't, IDGAF, said what I wanted to say and anyone can take it or leave it.

    Did I mention IDGAF?
     

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    I'm firmly against the entire "war on drugs" BECAUSE of the utter destruction of civil liberties and common sense in justice that it has created.
    You don't like the SS kicking in your door with a no knock warrant.... well that's what you get for supporting the "war on drugs"...
    The country was just fine (probably a bit better) about 100 years ago when there was no legalities regarding "drugs".

    Now on my end, even if it was all suddenly legal, I wouldn't use any of it.
    Just like I don't smoke or drink even though both are legal.
     

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    Look dipshit, if you need alcohol then you have a problem, regardless why. It is a crutch.
    If you enjoy a glass of wine, whiskey or beer - good for you (so do I).
    Perhaps you need to improve your reading comprehension?
     

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    I vote a big no on this one. If you have glaucoma or undergoing chemo making your nausea uncontrollable fine.

    Here is what I give out at work if interested:


    also:
     

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    Thats utter bullshit. I use alcohol and its not a crutch. After a hard days labor its nice to come home have a good meal and a glass of wine, brandy, or even a beer. Its only a
    crutch' if you become dependent on it and cant leave it alone.

    I dont use weed but have many friends that do and they use it like I use alcohol. After a days work its nice to kick back and change your state of mind. Id use it except for the legal implications especially involving firearms.

    What I WOULD discourage is 'smoking' anything, be it weed, cigarettes, vaping, and so on. Your lungs are made for air, not smoke. You wouldnt piss in your gas tank, why put smoke in your lungs. If you want to do some cannabis try edibles.

    And there is veirfiable instance of CBS' helping children (and others) with epilepsy.

    So dont try to hand me this 'crutch' hore shit, that just make s YOU look weak.
    This and all your other posts in this thread strikes me as odd from someone who got busted for distribution of a controlled substance, a C Felony.
     
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    This and all your other posts in this thread strikes me as odd from someone who got busted for distribution of a controlled substance, a C Felony.
    Thats right and I got a complete pardon with full restoration of firearm rights. Now suck my dick. BTW it was for transportation, not distribution. Anything else you'd like to bring up?
     
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    Thats right and I got a complete pardon with full restoration of firearm rights. Now suck my dick. BTW it was for transportation, not distribution. Anything else you'd like to bring up? Like the fact that yo momma is a cunt and whore?
    You are such a fraud. Not to mention an attention whore. What with all your fake bravado. Probably pretty hard to suck your dick, probably couldn't find it for starters. Or maybe you're just too busy whackin' off watching kiddy porn in your mommys basement safe place.
     
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    You are such a fraud. Not to mention an attention whore. What with all your fake bravado. Probably pretty hard to suck your dick, probably couldn't find it for starters. Or maybe you're just too busy whackin' off watching kiddy porn in your mommys basement safe place.
    Really? Is that the best you can do?

    Bwahahahahaha
     

    beenjammin

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    This and all your other posts in this thread strikes me as odd from someone who got busted for distribution of a controlled substance, a C Felony.
    Kind of messed up to say on an open forum about another member here. Why make his business everyone else’s. I have always know Maggot to be a long standing member here. Besides My brother got that charge for having an expired prescription for code in cough syrup when he was sick. Does not mean he’s out selling crack.... his got tossed also.
     
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    You can't throw drugs at mental health problems and expect them to go away. The brain is more than a chemical reaction machine, it actually does stuff. BigPharma is drugs. So is marijuana. Neither cure PTSD, instead they just subside the symptoms until it's time to take more drugs.

    Then again, I could go back in this thread and just quote myself the few times I already said that.
     

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    You can't throw drugs at mental health problems and expect them to go away. The brain is more than a chemical reaction machine, it actually does stuff. BigPharma is drugs. So is marijuana. Neither cure PTSD, instead they just subside the symptoms until it's time to take more drugs.

    Then again, I could go back in this thread and just quote myself the few times I already said that.
    Thats not exactly the case. I cant speak for the Big Pharma garbage, never took any beyond some pain meds for my hip, but I used to suffer from PTSD. I wont go into the factors that caused it, suffice it to say I did. Though I no longer use it because of the legal ramifications ( I treasure my right to own and keep the means to protect myself) I used to use cannabis. I will grant that its not a 'cure' but what it can do is allow you to look at a situation from a different point of view. Step outside the box (youre in)Its almost impossible to put into words but consider if you had always looked east and only seen the sunrise. Then one day you turned around and saw the sunset. A different point of perspective. Or if you'd always had a 100 pound weight on your back and you found a way to take it of for a few minutes occasionally. It may not be a cure' but it at least lets you see an alternative and that maybe, just maybe, theres a way to get the weight off for good someday.

    I will be the first to agree that used indiscriminately it can cause problems. Like anything else there is wise and foolish use. Use and abuse.

    Been there done that, you havent, youve only observed form outside. In this case, Im right. Period.
     

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    Kind of messed up to say on an open forum about another member here. Why make his business everyone else’s. I have always know Maggot to be a long standing member here. Besides My brother got that charge for having an expired prescription for code in cough syrup when he was sick. Does not mean he’s out selling crack.... his got tossed also.
    Hes a very small man that tries to make himself bigger by harming others, or trying to harm others. There are that type in the world, they only shame and embarrass themselves.

    I was wrong for insulting his family, strictly reaction and I removed it from my post. I should have just called him what he is, a small man.
     

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    Thats not exactly the case. I cant speak for the Big Pharma garbage, never took any beyond some pain meds for my hip, but I used to suffer from PTSD. I wont go into the factors that caused it, suffice it to say I did. Though I no longer use it because of the legal ramifications ( I treasure my right to own and keep the means to protect myself) I used to use cannabis. I will grant that its not a 'cure' but what it can do is allow you to look at a situation from a different point of view. Step outside the box (youre in)Its almost impossible to put into words but consider if you had always looked east and only seen the sunrise. Then one day you turned around and saw the sunset. A different point of perspective. Or if you'd always had a 100 pound weight on your back and you found a way to take it of for a few minutes occasionally. It may not be a cure' but it at least lets you see an alternative and that maybe, just maybe, theres a way to get the weight off for good someday.

    I will be the first to agree that used indiscriminately it can cause problems. Like anything else there is wise and foolish use. Use and abuse.

    Been there done that, you havent, youve only observed form outside. In this case, Im right. Period.
    What, you think you got the corner here on PTSD? Bitch, please, I have eight years in a combat zone...

    Kicking a can down the road is delaying resolution.
     

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    What, you think you got the corner here on PTSD? Bitch, please, I have eight years in a combat zone...

    Kicking a can down the road is delaying resolution.
    Bitch, I never said or implied that.

    Kicking it down the road is a preferable solution to a big negative resolution, like putting a gun in your mouth, which many have done.
     

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    Yes, you did... Bitch.
    No I didnt.

    I wasnt speaking of having a monopoly on PTSD, I was speaking of using cannabis for relief, to kick the can down the road and avoid blowing ones head off. You need to up your reading comprehension. Unless youve used it you cant know. Even if you have and it didnt work for you you cant negate someone elses experience just because yours didnt work.

    Bitch.
     

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    Who knew we could have such a fight over weed. Ppl calling out families and felonies and comparing who has the worse case of PTSD. I don’t agree with all that @Maggot has said, but I’m 100% for keeping people alive another day to solve their problems as long as they aren’t hurting someone else with a temporary solution. Even if weed isn’t the fix, it could suffice until the fix arrives.
     
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    You dudes need to chill the fuck out. There are aspects where both of you are right. Quit trying to make everything so fucking absolute. I have treated critically ill patients, genuine pain patients and drug addicts for the last 25 years.

    "kicking the can down the road" does not apply to all medical situations. There are plenty of medical diagnoses where there will be no fix, no cure, period. At least not in that person's lifetime. For those patients, sometimes palliative care is going to be the best and only option possible. How that palliative care is achieved is as variable and individual as we all are. It may be meditation. It may be religion. It may be solely through family support. It may be prescription medication. It may be marijuana. The goal is to find the least toxic, least dangerous, least disruptive "whatever it may be" that gives the best outcome for that individual patient.
     

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    No I didnt.

    I wasnt speaking of having a monopoly on PTSD, I was speaking of using cannabis for relief, to kick the can down the road and avoid blowing ones head off. You need to up your reading comprehension. Unless youve used it you cant know. Even if you have and it didnt work for you you cant negate someone elses experience just because yours didnt work.

    Bitch.
    If your friend is being honest about his service and really did see the nasty shit over there, he very well could be the kind of person that needs to be significantly worried about.

    The people that did the truly nasty stuff, it affected them.... You Don't See men women and children blown to Pieces without it affecting you. Those that didn't get affected typically exhibited some type of Psychopathic or sociopathic Behavior. These are the people that you would never know what's going on in their mind and then one day they snap and slaughter their entire family and end up dying in a hail of gunfire from police.

    The real problem is that PTSD from service there isn't much help for. You go in to get help and now you have a record that you can be a threat... that's pretty fucked up.
     

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    You really wanna escape reality?.... go chase the dragon with some good old fashioned H. Fuck the weak shit...

    next thing you know your sucking a guys dick off behind a Taco Bell for $10 to get a hit
     

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    If your friend is being honest about his service and really did see the nasty shit over there, he very well could be the kind of person that needs to be significantly worried about.

    The people that did the truly nasty stuff, it affected them.... You Don't See men women and children blown to Pieces without it affecting you. Those that didn't get affected typically exhibited some type of Psychopathic or sociopathic Behavior. These are the people that you would never know what's going on in their mind and then one day they snap and slaughter their entire family and end up dying in a hail of gunfire from police.

    The real problem is that PTSD from service there isn't much help for. You go in to get help and now you have a record that you can be a threat... that's pretty fucked up.
    That tends to be true across the spectrum, not just in the service.

    Most of the guys I dealt with were Viet Nam era. My personal demons came from a different source but they were just as real an just as dangerous. I could tell you some stories, but since what is said on the internet is there forever, I wont. Fortunately Ive put them to rest and now just mostly want to be left the fuck alone, Then pieces of shit like VWHugger pop up. He should thank God the demons are behind me.
     

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    You really wanna escape reality?.... go chase the dragon with some good old fashioned H. Fuck the weak shit...

    next thing you know your sucking a guys dick off behind a Taco Bell for $10 to get a hit
    Ill pass. Talk to VW Hugger is you want your dick sucked.
     

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    You really wanna escape reality?.... go chase the dragon with some good old fashioned H. Fuck the weak shit...

    next thing you know your sucking a guys dick off behind a Taco Bell for $10 to get a hit
    Sucking guys off in the back of Taco Bell? Don't lie, that's what you're doing to pay for your reloading habit, isn't it
     
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    Chronic PTSD always is with you. It gets better, even much better, but it doesn't disappear.
    Yep. As one that had extreme PTSD it can get better. Takes a long time. While maybe one doesn't like talking about it to a counselor per se (if it's seen as a weakness) it does help talking about it to someone --and more so... talking about the experiences over and over again has proven beyond doubt to help. Vs. avoiding and stuffing.

    EMDR has helped a lot of people.

    When I was younger I went down the route of MDMA and I think it helped, until I got addicted. LOL. But even so after kicking the addiction I think it did help. I didn't kill myself anyways... They use that nowadays in controlled setting and it seems to help guys.

    Fuck weed though? Yikes.. nooooooo that shit only made 'the voices' louder (paranoia).