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Easy to answer. Daniel was seeing not just into the spirit world, he was seeing into the future. Of the beasts he saw we know that one was Alexander the Great and so on. The ancient of days he saw was obviously God. He also saw the son of man which is obviously a man, and that is the Man Christ Jesus. Not duality. He saw God and he saw the flesh that God would put on to save us. Read revelation 1. John describes the same thing as Daniel but calls it the Son of man. When we get to heaven we will see God. He will be sitting by himself on ONE throne. He will have scars in His hands, feet, and brow. And we will bow down and worship him.
But that is not how Daniel reads. And I am not worried about the prophetic part. I want you to read it carefully and pay attention to the context. Specifically this:

““I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/dan.7.13.ESV

There is a fixed scene, it is a throne room. It is not seeing the same person just in the past then in the future like you said. It is not seeing God, then seeing the flesh in the future. This is happening all in one moment, this is import. You have the Son of Man come to the Ancient of Days and he is presented before. Then you have the Ancient of Days giving the Son of Man all of his power glory and dominion.

There are two distinct people here, this is happening in the same moment. How could God be presented before himself if he does not have distinct persons? How could God give something to himself, if he does not have distinct persons? If this was a vision of God with no persons, it would just be the ancient of days going down and become the Son of Man, that is not what is happening. Here The Son of Man is not the Ancient of Days, and The Ancient of Days is not the Son of Man, yet both are given attributes of God.

Additionally, the long standing understanding of this verse in the early church was these were two distinct persons yet one God. So your argument falls flat linguistically (again) as well as historically (again).

You always have this problem when you try to apply the modalism heresy to scripture the New Testament there are numerous examples that show Jesus interacting with the Father even Praying to Him. Why would Jesus be praying to himself. When he is dying on the cross, why would he call out to Himself, ABBA Father. I will go more into one specific verse deeper because it was used to refute the modalism (sebalianism) heresy by Origen and others in the 100s (yes way before Nicea, way before Constantine this heresy was handled with Trinitarian thought straight from the Bible)

Please answer also to the Garden before his crucifixion.

“When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you,” John 17:1
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Jesus isn’t praying to himself. Why would he ask himself (father) to glorify himself (son) in turn so he could glorify himself (son)

“And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17‬:‭5‬ ‭

Jesus is very clearly not talking about his own presence, he is asking to be glorified in someone else’s presence (the Father). This point is super clear in Greek by the way it is conjugated, but it is also plain in English. If Jesus is praying to himself, why would he be asking to be in someone else’s presence?

I could go on and on, but go read all of John 17 and Jesus prayer here to the Father. The distinct persons here are self evident in English, but in the Greek it is even clearer and linguistically impossible (as well as logically impossible) for Jesus to be praying to himself.

The fact is your position is the one that goes against the plain reading of scripture.
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I am going to give an analogy here for the Trinity. Almost always these types of things are actually the modalism heresy. Like the water being liquid, solid, gas is actually modalism. It is modalism because it is one thing taking 3 forms, and each of the three states is not fully the water in every way. This is not the right understanding of the trinity. The trinity rightly understood is one God having 3 persons, all equally God and fully God, yet distinct from each other.


However this is maybe the closest analogy I have come across using human terms.

Image a dry erase board. You grab three dry erase pens of Red, Green, and blue. Now you perfect draw a red circle on top of a green circle, on top of a blue circle. Now you have all three colors making one perfect circle, however the red circle is not the green or blue circle, the green circle is not the red or blue circle, and the blue circle is not the red or green circle. However, each individual colored circle is perfectly the circle. The red circle is the circle, the green is the circle, and the blue is the circle. Also too all three together are the circle

Obviously there are some problems , like wouldn’t the colors mix? But this is the closest analogy to the trinity I have found using material ideas.

Ukraine war Bullshit.

So if as you state its, "in exchange for densely mined uninhabitable rubble are equally delusional and retarded"

Then why fight over uninhabitable Rubble.

Are you getting off on destroying Peoples homes and cities?

Seems like a Pot/Kettle kinda vib you got going.

Ukraine using cluster munitions in their own country, to essentially ensure future generations of their own kids will encounter unexploded ordinance is in a similar vein of fucked up.

An incredibly high amount of cluster munitions will remain unexploded and will be set off later - most likely by children according to statistics.

Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

OK, after 250 miles of a 500 mile trip, having straight pipes on Project Asshole Douchebag was annoying as fuck over 2000 rpm

Stopped at a local muffler shop I was familiar with and got muffler welded on

Borla Pro XS. 100% recommend for civilized sound and sounds like a Nascar when you step on it.

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I put borla cat back exhaust on a truck and definitely liked the results.

Don’t see any threads about Momma Shiloh Hendrix

<——— Been my avatar for a week or so now…

Edit: As you can imagine, she’s been doxxed, and saw a report that she’s getting sued left and right by leftists and race baiters, but can’t find any actual suits against her.

If you are so inclined, you can donate to her “security” fund, whatever that means…may just be a scam, but she’ll probably have to move, and maybe even assume a new identity if the folks lined up against her keep going: https://www.givesendgo.com/ShilohHendrix

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OK, after 250 miles of a 500 mile trip, having straight pipes on Project Asshole Douchebag was annoying as fuck over 2000 rpm

Stopped at a local muffler shop I was familiar with and got muffler welded on

Borla Pro XS. 100% recommend for civilized sound and sounds like a Nascar when you step on it.

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You young guys will learn if it doesnt make it faster you don’t want the noise

AAC ammo grenading rifles

I put about 1700 rounds of 77gr I bought 6 months ago though various rifles. Some rifles shoot it good, some ehhh. But it shoots better than all 55 and 62gr ammo for a smidge more money. Also does very well out of short guns. I will be buying it and continuing to shoot it.

I did buy supervelle 55gr and out of 250 round I shot last weekend, I had 2 loose primers (fell out in gun), 2 blown primers, 1 no powder with squid, and 2 out of spec rounds. That’s a reminder why I DONT buy remain ammo.