Suppressors Lipsey's Rugged Obsidian45 or Lipsey's Gemtech Lunar-45 Suppressor

[rg1911]

My local gun shop has become a Class III dealer and I want another suppressor. On paper, both the Rugged Obsidian45 and Gemtech Lunar-45 meet my basic requirements for a pistol suppressor to be used with .45ACP and 9mm.
Does anyone have first-hand experience with either of these suppressors and, if so, what are your thoughts?

Thank you, Richard

 

[mark5pt56]

My answer is if you have a rifle that needs one, settle that first. Having said that, the Obsidians are nice, never an issue, easy to take apart and clean, etc. If for some reason you need a 3 lug-do not get the Rugged one, go KAW Valley.

 

[carbonbased]

If for some reason you need a 3 lug-do not get the Rugged one, go KAW Valley.

Interesting. I own an Obsidian 9 with Rugged’s 3 lug adapter. What about the KAW makes it better?

And is this the one you’re talking about?

KVP MACH 3-Lug Mount - Kaw Valley Precision

The Kaw Valley Precision MACH 3-Lug Mount is a fully captured, enclosed system designed for use with the KVP MACH Linear Comp system.

kawvalleyprecision.com

 

[Threadcutter308]

My answer is if you have a rifle that needs one, settle that first. Having said that, the Obsidians are nice, never an issue, easy to take apart and clean, etc. If for some reason you need a 3 lug-do not get the Rugged one, go KAW Valley.

I second the statement about not getting the Rugged 3 lug. Otherwise, the Rugged is a nice can. I have one.

 

[rg1911]

Thank you all for your comments. They are much appreciated.
Cheers, Richard

 

[91Eunozs]

@mark5pt56 Interested in knowing what’s not to love about the Rugged Obsidian on a 3- lug mount.

I have the Obsidian .45, and love it! That can is pretty much dedicated to a couple different 1911s these days, but do have a 3-lug mount on a PCC and the Obsidian fits under the hand guard better than the SiCo Hybrid 46 that normally lives under there:

…older pic with the obsidian on there:

Or do you mean the actual Rugged 3-lug mount?

 

[mark5pt56]

The actual Rugged 3 lug mount, it's cheaply made--of aluminum??
I know how to mount a 3 lug and the rugged failed, used on an SP5 and BT. I switched to a KAW Valley after doing some reading a couple three years ago and haven't had a single issue with those two guns. I also found that "clocking" it works rather well, enough to matter.
My experiences anyhow, point being if buying a mount, why gamble with it?

on the BT--the left target on the 25/50 was after a slight sight change-you can see the group shift to zero and then shot with same zero w/o suppressor-matches up well at 25, slightly off at 50.

I tried with the sig mpx-and it didn't matter as that is a total pos bullet hose.

 

[mark5pt56]

Same set up on the HK, pos 1 seemed the most consistent. Yeah, Yeah, shoot more rounds, bigger sample-I have I don't take pictures of everything all the time.

 

[carbonbased]

I know how to mount a 3 lug and the rugged failed

Did it just fall apart? If so, that’s no good.

I have noticed, as other have, that you have to be very careful to insure the thing is indeed locked on. Easy to over-rotate it.

 

[mark5pt56]

I'll have to get a pic, the lugs on it wallowed out. It was always locked on properly.

 

[carbonbased]

I'll have to get a pic, the lugs on it wallowed out. It was always locked on properly.

I don’t use mine a lot. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[blksno]

I've had my Obsidian45 for 5-6 years now I think. Used it on 9mm, 10mm, 45 and 300 blk...and it's been good. I had a baffle strike from shooting it loose on 9mm...(still feel like pistol cans need taper locks) but it wasn't an issue with the can per-say.
I've got the 1/2x28 and .578x28 piston, as well as a fixed barrel adapter. It's a good "do all" can for sure.

 

[Threadcutter308]

I've had my Obsidian45 for 5-6 years now I think. Used it on 9mm, 10mm, 45 and 300 blk...and it's been good. I had a baffle strike from shooting it loose on 9mm...(still feel like pistol cans need taper locks) but it wasn't an issue with the can per-say.
I've got the 1/2x28 and .578x28 piston, as well as a fixed barrel adapter. It's a good "do all" can for sure.

My criticism of the Rugged 3 lug adapter is that it does not have "Stops" in it. You can install the can on the barrel and you have to be extremely careful that you do not turn the 3 lug adapter past the mating locking surfaces on the barrel/extension.

I wasn't aware of that and the first time I installed the can/3 lug adapter combo on the barrel, it went past the stops and was just sitting on the barrel unsecured. I fired the first round and the can sailed downrange. I was fortunate in that there wasn't a baffle strike. But, I learned my lesson.

I did call Rugged and said "hey, you know, this could really be improved if you were to change the design and make the adapter so that you can't turn it past the locking lugs. They really couldn't have been more ambivalent. Kinda pissed me off, but oh well, it's their business and they are free to run it the way that they want.

I am taking a serious look at the KAW adpater and I'm going to call them to see if they do indeed have "stops" in their 3 lug adapter. If they do, I'm going to order one from them and I'll fire sale my Rugged 3 lug adapter.

 

[srt-4_uk]

When given a choice, the answer is never Gemtech.

Unless it's between Gemtech and AAC. Then the correct answer is hearing damage.