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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

What about the two guys doing obvious hand signals next to Charlie right before the shot happened…do we just forget about them? Were they even detained and questioned?
I don't think that is what it is being portrayed as. Especially one of them was right on top of Charlie. I don't think even a dumb fuck Leftist would stand right next to a person their buddy is targeting with a rifle.

I have heard several spins on what and who they might be including some of his own crew and team. That makes a little more sense. His group is close knit and fairly controlled. I don't think they would let a stranger just hang out right next to him like that.

Perhaps your exact question will be explained as the dust settles. I hope so anyway.

Questions & what to look for when purchasing land?

If your property is 6-8 hours away driving time, you will not be visiting it a couple weekends a month. All of your time will be spent driving, and not visiting. That will get old after about your fourth trip. There is a lot of responsibility involved in owning multiple properties. Do you have time to cut grass, clean out gutters, and do all of the stuff required to keep another house from going backwards in the repair zone? We have a house at the beach, about 3.5 hrs away, and a house in the mtns about 2.25 hours away . We live in the middle between them. Thankfully we have a good mgt company for the beach house, which generates income for us. The mtn house is all on me, and we do not rent it out, so that we can use it whenever we want. We love it up there, but the list of maintenance and little projects never ends. I’m not trying to be Debbie Downer here, it’s just reality. Keep your stuff simple, and try to build your buildings to be as maintenance free as possible, even if it costs more up front. Keep the yard as small as possible and find a local kid to mow it. A get away place is a HUGE blessing, but it comes with more responsibility, sometimes when you just want to escape and not have responsibilities.
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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

Wonder what all the conspiracy nuts will say lol. “He’s just a patsy and the real killer is in Tel Aviv right now”.
The conspiracy nuts will shout conspiracy nut stuff from the rooftops regardless of what is found and disclosed.

Sadly, there have been enough conspiracy theories turned into provable fact that it cultivates that field for ever wider speculation every time there is an event.

This just reinforces the need to get as much information as possible on everything then critically think our way through the minefields of bullshit versus reality.

Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

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I have to hand it to the father (along with the Pastor), if that's what happened. He must realize that his son will most likely face the Death Penalty in Utah, or the Federal Death penalty if the FBI/DOJ gets involved to that degree. I don't think they'll be able to plea this down or get a jury not to impose the death penalty. Nor can I believe the prosecution would ever pick a liberal jury that wouldn't impose it. We'll have to see.

I'm curious as to what's in the father's mind. I recall TImothy McVeigh's father and how he reacted to things. I mean, you can only raise your kids so much, and then you have to let them be on their own and make their own choices. Hopefully, they are the right ones, but....
In philosophy theres a term I cant recall right now, perhaps moral imperative (been a long time since I studie that stuff), which simply states that some actions are done, not because of any true choice, but because one's character can not allow any other action.

If it werre your son???

Just remembered, its called a 'catagorical imperative'.
    • Categorical Imperative:
      An unconditional moral command that applies to all rational beings, regardless of their personal goals or circumstances.
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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

International Joke... Anyone else remember when they high-centered the Obamalamadingding's Limo in Ireland?

They have fallen a long way from the guy who took a bullet for Reagan... But remember, the President and staff pick the detail. So the agents 'elevated' to highest levels were put there through 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Biden.. And there are likely more than a few political hacks who were bootlicking the dems to be promoted to places where they are now the worst of the Deep State.

Sad for the folks who want an awesome career... that they are as political and DEI'd as the FBI... If not worse.

Sirhr

Those agents came up during the Obama/Biden years. They are no different than politicians. “Check the squares, tell them what they want to hear.”
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New scope for a western hunt?

My March DFP 1.5-15x42 in Mil came in a week ago so here's some comments about it.

The IQ is better than I thought it would be based on the IQ in my March DFP 1-10x28. 15x is fine yet a little out of focus at the edges of the FOV periphery. Not great that this is the case but I knew that going in so I ignore it since I'm looking mostly centered where 85% of the FOV gives a nice clean image.

The daylight bright center dot is a step brighter than in my 1-10. This feature was near the top of my list of my requirements and the whole illume system works well. I used it on my plate racks, other various steels at distance, and that red CD was awesome to have for quick shooting, no matter the magnification, this depending on distances or the specific way I was using it. For me this is HUGELY useful and I love having it!
When shooting at our 70Y 1/5th scale silhouettes I found it easier using the red CD to hit them offhand than without the CD being lit.

Of course the rest of the scope is top notch. It's compact, fairly light, Shuriken turrets are wonderful, all controls luxurious, good reticle design, and DFP.

DFP is HUGE too! Man what a great MPVO problem solver this is, especially combining with the illume! I don't need holds for low magnification and there the SFP reticle is easy to see. If holds are desired just increase magnification where you want it to be to use the FFP hashes.

One bad thing though. It needs to go back for warranty because there is a problem with the FFP reticle sliding off to the left very slightly when changing magnification counterclockwise. When I move the magnification clockwise the reticle alignes correctly again so that's how it is for now but I'm enjoying the scope so much that I'll wait until the USA warranty department is live before I send it off.

All in all I'm glad I got it.

Edit, if I was hunting any game, no matter the size, this would be my #1 choice for a riflescope and that by far. I already DRT'd two ground squirrels shortly after receiving this scope and with the lit CD it made doing so easy. One head shot and one small window for a center chest shot, both offhand. There's a lot of "just right" in this scope, enough to over look any short commings!

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Question on Lapua performance differences

tldr: If you're shooting at extended ranges (200+ yards) - try one of the long-range variants - Lapua Long Range or Super Long Range, or SK Long Range Match. A lesser-known and not-easily-found option that did well for me was RWS R100.

I've tried three different lots of Lapua Long Range and all have done well. I tried one lot of Super Long Range - just 10 rounds exchanged with a guy I met at the range - and it did not impress at all (same lube is used on all SK/Lapua SKUs except Polar Biathlon Extreme so switching among different ones has little to no accuracy effect, especially after 3-5 rounds fired).

Rimfire ammo is a lottery.
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The arrival of Lapua Long Range and Super Long Range on the scene muddied the testing waters - because the Lapua testing centers won't test it (they only offer testing with Center-X / Midas+ / X-Act) and they only go to 100 meters anyway. @grauhanen described why any random lot of C-X MAY outperform a lot of Midas+ or X-Act - and, with the SK SKUs being produced on different machines in the same factory and presumably graded using the same or similar process, a lot of Standard+ might outperform any of the Lapua SKUs. Not likely but possible.

It really is a lottery.
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With that said - I sent my gen-1 Vudoo in for testing just as the pandemic hit in 2020, requesting tests with Center-X and Midas+. At the end of it all, in my rifle, the best lot of M+ outperformed the best lot of C-X at 100 meters - but only by 4mm, and there was plenty of overlap across the various test groups. So I bought two cases of Center-X, at a cost of 40% less then M+. That ammo has performed well in every rifle in which it's been tried, at ranges out to 400 yards.

And, interestingly, a buddy of mine bought two cases of M+ after testing at about the same time. He and I have gone head to head for a few years at a little gallery-style match we enjoy and, with both of us shooting near-identical gen-1 Vudoos out to 150 yards, who prevails on any given day comes down to who lucks out with wind. Another competitor with an Anschutz 54 shoots nothing but X-Act. He's always in it out to 100 yards but generally is behind us at 150, probably because buddy and I shoot a lot more PRS-style rimfire matches out to much greater range - not because of rifle/ammo capability. And @Rob01 plays in that match too, running SK Long Range Match, and, again, any given day's result comes down to the fickle finger of wind or whatever.
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OP, if you're budget-constrained, you might consider a tuner. This statement may open the door to the pissing and whining over whether a tuner works or not. I don't care. My experience with tuners on four different rifles wearing barrels from moderate "kukri" contour to near-straight-taper Heavy Varmint was that three of the four showed definite "impact" on grouping; the 4th was one I messed with early on and my lack of experience may have been in play. A tuner will not transmogrify crappy ammo into good ammo, but it might help mitigate lot-to-lot variation among lots of good ammo.
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Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

“Poor secret service”??? You mean that bastion of DEI foolery that was responsible for nearly getting Trump killed in Butler. Trump is alive by sheer divine intervention. Despite the Secret Service, best efforts to get him killed.

The Secret Service should’ve been disbanded. They are an International joke at this point!!

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International Joke... Anyone else remember when they high-centered the Obamalamadingding's Limo in Ireland?

They have fallen a long way from the guy who took a bullet for Reagan... But remember, the President and staff pick the detail. So the agents 'elevated' to highest levels were put there through 8 years of Clinton, 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Biden.. And there are likely more than a few political hacks who were bootlicking the dems to be promoted to places where they are now the worst of the Deep State.

Sad for the folks who want an awesome career... that they are as political and DEI'd as the FBI... If not worse.

Sirhr

Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

Back then your neighbor was the same as you.

Not some violent Somali the communists imported. With your money. Or some mentally ill transformer. Etc
Cant argue that too much.
Ok this got me. Perhaps we might see some change. Maybe this slaughter has shed just enough light, to release the stranglehold universities on our youth.

While many want to give up and call in the “Rapture”, I still believe it is the Christian way to root for humans, their souls and the most beautiful country in the world. The one my Father fought for and his brother died for. 🇺🇸

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Beautiful from her, and beautiful sentiment from you. Sadly, I think the reactions, and change will be temporary. We're too far down the road. But with you, I hope.