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20" White Oak Krieger "New Owners" Build & Test

I reached out to the new Owners of White Oak who purchased WOA from John and moved everything out to Nevada.

I had a nice long conversation with Mary, her and her husband are the new Owners. She told me they hired a AMU retired gunsmith to run the machines and their goal was to keep the quality high and the wait times down. But like everyone else they are struggling with blank makers wait times.

I got 2 barrels from Mary. Both 20" for testing to compare to all the other WOA barrels i have in the safe.

20" White Oak Precision Krieger
Service Rifle contour
Rifle gas
1-7.7
Pre-Ban 5/8-24 threads

20" White Oak Shilen Ratchet
Service Rifle contour
Rifle gas
1-7.5
Pre-ban 5/8-24 threads


The Krieger was ready to go and she shipped it right away. The shilen was not ready, they had the blanks and need to machine it. Sending my bolt to headspace to the barrel.


Here is the Krieger build.


20" Krieger 1-7.7
Cross Machine & Tool Billet Upper
Geissele 15" MK16 Super Modular Rail
SLA .750 AGB
Rubber City Armory BCG
Geissele Airborne Charging Handle
Rugged 3 port QD brake

MEGA Billet ambi lower
Magpul PRS Lite stock
Geissele rifle length spring and H1 buffer
Geissele LPK
Larua MBT2S w/JP Springs

Geissele one piece 34mm mount
Athlon Cronus BTR 4.5-29x56 Gen2


I got it all out together and took it out for the first time today to zero and adjust gas and get some rounds down it.

I have a few ammo cans full of different handloads I used today.

All shooting was done from the bench with Atlas bipod and rear bag from the bench at 100yds today.


I shot 5rds of 55 FMJ-BT H380 handloads to get a rough zero at 100yds.


I then shot a bunch of 5 shot groups with various handloads to see how she shoots and get some rounds down it.


I would say this barrel is going to be a shooter. Shot really good with 60 TMK's and 55 VMAX's..

I then shot some 77smk and 77 tmk pulls from American Reloading all over 26.4gr PP2000MR all run on my dedicated 5.56 automated Dillon 1050.

While this load has ES/SD's on the higher side, it was shooting some good groups.

Looking forward to starting some load development now.

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Carbon 6 Barrels

I've been finding Carbon 6 quality to be going down hill a bit. Chambered up a 6 Creedmoor with a shorty carbon wrapped carbon 6 and it shot all over the place. Went to a Proof Research and re-barreled the set up and shot great, figured it was a crappy barrel. Now I have 2 well know shops that will not even chamber a set up using Carbon 6. What are you guys finding at this point? My preferences normally run Bartlein or Benchmark for carbon barrels, Proofs and Carbon 6 were 2nd choices.

Accessories EC TUNER | MPA DN5

Looking to get rid of a few brakes I have laying out. All in pretty decent shape. I’m asking $130 shipped for EACH INDIVIDUAL brake. PM with any questions.

EC tuner brake - 5/8 x 24 threads, 6.5mm


MPA DN5 - 5/8 x 24 threads, 6.5mm SOLD

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SOLD Manners MCS-T w/M5 Mini Chassis for sale.

I’ve got a used, Manners MCS-T carbon fiber stock that has the M5 mini chassis for sale. It will come with a Hawkins M5 Hunter bottom metal (no magazine) as I bedded the front to get rid of the gap from Manners inlet. This is for a r-hand Remington 700 long action or clone variant. $650.00 shipped for the stock and bottom metal.

Venmo or USPS money order only.

PM with any questions

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I shot an AI today, and I liked it

Was at the rifle range today getting acquainted with my new KRG W3 chassis. While going to check/pull targets I see a guy that I seem to always see, who always has a green AI AT with him. This time I decided to stop and talk with him about his AI, he had nothing but good things to say; absolutely loves it. Buys new / different barrels for it and has been thinning the rifle herd because the barrel change system on it is so easy and reliable. Currently it's wearing a stainless barrel in 6 Creed.

Then he says, go check it out if you want, pick it up, see about it. Which of course I do, and I sit down at his bench to get behind it more or less fondle it. Next as I'm running the bolt he says, he'll why don't you shoot it? I got 5 ready to go right here.

This thing, man, I get it now. The bolt throw, the way it locks up, the way the bolt glides, the trigger. It was incredible, a massive step up from anything I've ever handled, save perhaps a TRG22. Far and away the nicest rifle I've ever actually shot.

I put 4 into a 1" circle at 200 yards, with someone else's rifle, someone else's scope, shooting with my wrong hand, with no rear bag. The gun just...lasered em out there.

So, I get it now. I've experienced how "the other half live" and experienced first hand part of the premium AI commands.

In Another Shocking Revelation…

…Google is once again found guilty of misleading users into thinking they have any privacy while using their products.

In short, they are always selling you to the highest bidder, or anyone at all really.

From Malwarebytes Labs:

Google misled users about their privacy and now owes them $425m, says court​

Posted: September 9, 2025 by Danny Bradbury
A court has ordered Google to pay $425m in a class action lawsuit after it was found to have misled users about their online privacy.
In July 2020, Google user Anibal Rodriguez filed a lawsuit against the search giant, arguing that it misled users with its “Web & App Activity” setting. The setting was supposed to stop Google collecting data about users’ activities online and in apps.
In reality, Google continued to collect data about how people were using their apps, even after they had switched off data collection in the Web & App Activity setting. Although it said that it was anonymizing that data.
The company collected this information via Firebase, a database that it uses to monitor activities across 1.5 million apps for analytics purposes which operates separately to the Web & App Activity setting. It’s reportedly in 97% of the top thousand Android apps, and 54% of leading iOS apps. Google harvested data from apps including Uber, Venmo, Shazam, the New York Times, Duolingo, and Instagram.
This arrangement created a dual data collection system. It misled 98 million Google users into thinking that their actions were completely private, argued the case, which became a class action suit.
Google’s lawyers protested that users were properly informed about how the company collects information and what it does with it. They pointed out that when confirming their choice, Google displays an “Are You Sure?” prompt that lets them check on what information Google collects, according to Bloomberg Law.
This clearly didn’t resonate with jurors, one of whom said after the verdict that Google needed to be clearer in how it communicated its data handling to its users. They’re generally “skimmers, not readers” he said.
Plaintiffs originally asked for $31bn in damages, but the amount awarded is far less, equating to around $4 per user.
Nevertheless, Google plans to appeal. “This decision misunderstands how our products work,” its spokesperson Jose Castaneda reportedly said. “Our privacy tools give people control over their data, and when they turn off personalization, we honor that choice.”

A history of questionable tactics​

This isn’t the first time that Google has been found guilty of misleading users. In February 2023, it agreed to pay $392m in a settlement with 40 states for storing users’ locations when it told them it wouldn’t. It coughed up another $40m in a separate arrangement with Washington state later that year and also settled with Arizona for $85m.
In December 2023, the search giant also settled in a class action over alleged misleading language in its incognito mode service, which promised not to collect data about browsing activity but actually did. It deleted records costing it at least $5bn to settle that claim, but didn’t pay damages to users. However, in May this year it settled with Texas to pay $1.38bn to resolve the state’s own claims in the location and incognito mode affairs.
One interesting snippet is that Google has a habit of internally playing down its privacy claims because it knows that explaining exactly what it keeps might alarm users. In a ruling that denied a motion to dismiss the Web & App Activites-related case in January, district judge Richard Seeborg said:
“Internal Google communications also indicate that Google knew it was being ‘intentionally vague’ about the technical distinction between data collected within a Google account and that which is collected outside of it because the truth ‘could sound alarming to users.'”
Google executives had also privately discussed the need to soften up the privacy language in the company’s services to avoid alarming users of incognito mode. The message here to Joe and Jane Public is even clearer now than it was before; take privacy claims from big tech vendors with the skepticism they deserve, and adopt the ‘mom rule’ when dealing with them: never let them see anything you wouldn’t want them to know.

Which action has highest barrel availability?

Hey all,

Been thinking about it for a while now. Maybe I should upgrade and get a better rifle. I have many, but the one I'm thinking about replacing is my howa in 6.5 CM. It's a prs style rifle and has served me well but every now and then, I get that itch about trying something better.

My 3 top contenders, in no order, are a t3x, a seekins hit, or an origin/nucleus.

I've heard seekins makes a very fine rifle and has some of the best customer service. I also really really like the rifle as it looks.

Tikka would certainly be an upgrade from my howa I believe. While shitty customer service, you can sometimes snag really good deals here so it might be worth it if there is really good deal to be had.

Origin or nucleus are absolute certain upgrades. Not really looking to spend on the higher end customs but these seem like good options.

All in all, I would prefer an action that barrels are easy to find for it. I'm not sure where that leaves the seekins, or what type of barrels it takes. I've seen many barrels for tikkas here on the PX so that tells me they're pretty common for the tikka. I've even found some pretty good deals that I've almost bought a barrel before just in case I ever got a tikka. Origin and Nucleus seem to be popular actions but I'm unaware of how easy it is source barrels for those. I think I've seen more aftermarket barrels for tikka here than for these two customs. Any thoughts?

SOLD WTS sig P320 threaded barrel, HA comp, WC grip module

WTS: Sig P320 4.3in 9mm threaded barrel (bought new from sig - less than 200 rounds), Harrington arms P320 comp, Wilson comp FDE carry grip module. See pictures to see what it looks like assembled.

***fire control assembly, slide assembly, and optic not included

$200 shipped conus

PayPal f&f or Zelle no comments

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Group Buys Tactical Survival Kit – Military-Grade All-in-One Gear ($49.99)

Checkout all the details of the product - for sale

Link to product page:
142-in-1 Tactical Survival Kit – Pop Smoke Media

Product: 142-in-1 Tactical Survival Kit
Category: Survival Gear / Emergency Kit
Type: All-in-One Tactical Bag
Compatibility: Universal – outdoor, camping, bug-out, emergency prep
Material: Rugged 600D nylon tactical bag with mixed steel, polymer & nylon tools
Color(s): Black (bag + multi-tools)
Price: $49.99
SKU / Item code: General-00001-1
Manufacturer: Pop Smoke Media Gear
Condition: New (factory sealed)
Dimensions (approx): Bag ~ 12 in x 6 in x 5 in (est.)
Weight (approx): ~3 lbs fully loaded
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Key features:
  • Folding shovel/pick combo for digging in/out
  • Military folding knife, paracord, wire saw, fire starter kit
  • First aid supplies (bandages, scissors, cotton swabs, tourniquet)
  • Survival bracelet, whistle, glow stick, carabiner, water bottle clip
  • Fishing kit for tactical sushi missions
  • Tactical spork (eat like a warrior, not a camper)
  • Emergency blanket for cold weather survival
Included:
  • 142 survival tools and accessories in one tactical kit
Warranty / Return:
30-day free returns (from vendor)

Shipping:
  • Ships within 1 business day from Pop Smoke HQ
  • Free U.S. shipping on orders $45+

SOLD WTS Triggercam 2.1

For sale Triggercam 2.1 in spite of what the box looks like I’ve actually never used it. I couldn’t get it to fit my ZCO527 without putting metal on metal. But it’s been in my bag.

Price $425 to your door

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SOLD WTS Kahles K328i CCW SKMR4+

For Sale barely used Kahles K318i 3.5-28x50mm CCW With SKMR4+ reticle w/right windage SKU-10697. It’s just not for me.

Open to trades

$3500 shipped to your door.

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Rimfire Victrix Venus Pro Small Bore

I have a 26” barrel version of this rifle in 22LR that comes with everything pictured. 5 x 10 rounds magazines, Bore Guide, all original case, bags, manuals. About 2,000 rounds down barrel, like new condition. Not looking for any trades…2500k$ OBRO shipped CONUS.

Specifics about gun located here:

In addition it was featured on X-Ring…

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It has all the goodies of a custom build from the factory for a very attractive price!

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Who is using a Bix and Andy in a Vudoo?

I have been using TT Diamond 2 stages in all of my rifles now for awhile. I just had a TT stop working correctly in a Vudoo and after talking to my gunsmith briefly on the phone he recommended I try something different. I had no idea I was possibly leaving accuracy on the table with my trigger choice. He spoke highly of the Bix. I want to try one of their 2 stage triggers. Who has ran one and what sear did you use? Did you test any other sears? This will be on a Vudoo 360 to be clear and definitely will be a 2 stage.... Join me as I travel further down the rabbit hole lol
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New Rifle Inbound: Barrett MRAD

After a year saving up, I’ve got a new rifle on the way: Barrett MRAD in 6.5 Creedmoor. This is gonna be my first nice precision rifle (I used to have a RPR) . I need to buy glass for it and cool guy YouTubers are convincing me to get a scope in Mils vs. the MOA I’m used to (I understand there will be a learning curve) I’m considering a Night Force 7-35X ATACR w/ Tremor 3 reticle. Are there any other optics I should I be considering? I’m willing to buy once/ cry once. Currently I can shoot out to 850, with plans to find a farther range area. I plan to add the 300 Norma barrel down the line. Thanks guys.
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Weight Preference for MDT Elite Chassis

I have an MDT Elite chassis and the Gray Ops external weight kit (2.5 lbs.) MDT also offers an under barrel/inside the chassis fore end weight that is approximately 2.5 lbs. I was thinking that weight below the barrel might be advantageous because of a lower center of gravity which might help the rifle settle into a bag better. Any one tried both and have an opinion?