I was getting good results in my LMT MWS with the Hornady 140 gr and 147 gr ELD-M bullets and thought I would try their 130 gr EDL-M bullets. I did a ladder and fired loads with Varget at 35.8, 36.3, 36.8, 37.3, 37.8. I was getting excellent results with 36.3 gr of Varget with groups opening up significantly above 37.8 gr. There were no pressure signs with any of the loads.

I used Hornady’s 10th Edition for all my load data, but was very surprised today to see Hodgdon’s maximum load for a 130 gr bullet with Varget was below Hornady’s minimum load for the same combination. Could this be right?

I've had a few jags and brushes break lately and I'm looking to get some new ones. One frustrating thing about most of my current set is that they aren't engraved with caliber markings, so the ones that are close in size annoy me when I'm trying to put them away.

I see that Montana extreme jags are engraved, what about the brushes? Anyone know?

I like the idea of the bore tech fancy metal jags that won't show false positives on copper clean outs. Anyone know if their stuff has any kind of markings?

I've had some cheaper sets like Tipton that are marked, but it wears off really quick.

Engraved is the goal, the bigger the better.

New still in the box Black ACC Elite and new in individual box rubber dampers also inside. For 700 SA $1525 shipped and insured or $1450 for chassis only

Not looking for any trades unless you have a ZCO 1x or 2x reticle and I would add cash.

Trying to get more into developing more accurate loads. Trying to wrap my head around the hole primer seating depth thing but, kind of lost here. Normally just seat the primers with a hand tool or on my single stage lnl. Seat until they bottom out and move on. But, now I’m reading all this on primer depth uniformity and not sure what the best way to go about seating the primers. In my head, It seems if I seat the primers to an exact same depth beyond flush, than some might bottom out less than others. Is this actually better than running them in until they bottom out? Maybe I’m missing something in the process.

SOLD
Used chassis, rattle canned, comes with 2 round holder, action screws, spigot mount and NV bridge, however I lost the screws for the bridge. If I find them, they’ll be included or I can mail them afterwords. But odds are I won’t find them.

$OLD shipped. PM me first, I will not PM you. Anyone else is a scammer.

Missed the return window and it’s just a little bigger than I’ll actually need. SOLD TYD. No trades at this time. Color is gray but it does have kind of a green hue to, not super dark wolf gray like some companies

Salomon Speed Assault 2, Gray and Black. Size 10.5, never worn, new in box. $sold

Garmont Chrono GTX, brown leather. Size 10, never worn, with tags. Bought with my prodeal so I can't return. $65 shipped.

Selling a brand new, never used Rearden SR25 SPB Muzzle Device threaded 3/4x24. Comes as shown.

Price: $65 shipped

No trades please.

Midwest Industries High Combat Rail Handguard, DPMS LR-308, 12.625 in, M-LOK, .210 Tang Height. Used for 58 rounds prefer a longer handguard. Includes all parts and barrel nut wrench.

I'm asking $130 shipped and insured.

NO TRADES

I have 221 confirmed trades on Reddit GAFS username AlternativeStation29. Handguard is crossposted on GAFS and Arfcom

Payment through discreet paypal FF, venmo, zelle, or cashapp.

Selling a set of gently used APA 34mm true lock rings. Height on them is 1.250.

Looking to get $115 shipped

GECO 26.5 MM Flare Pistol, 1960's era... excellent condition, I doubt it has been fired. Bought this years ago for my ditch bag, sold the boat long ago... so this has just been taking up room in the safe. Comes with 2 boxes of 26.5 MM flares as pictured. $350 shipped

Revere Survivor Ditch bag. $75 shipped

Savage Elite Precision in .223

$1550 $1100 plus shipping

Also comes with an MDT Bag Rider, 3 mags, and an MDT M-Lok Data Card Holder.

*Bipod NOT Included*

Has 700 rounds give or take a few. Mainly been a bench/trainer gun. Shoots excellent with reloads and sub half moa with berger factory ammo.

Currently has a Burris XTR II 4-20X50 SCR MOA on it that's set in an ADM Recon SL 20 moa Mount. Will sell the scope & mount seperate for $400 plus shipping or I'll throw the scope and mount in with the rifle for another $500 $300 plus shipping.

Paypal F&F is preferred, can accommodate other payment forms though.

Willing to look at trades plus cash as well, just message me with what ya got.

Saw a season of PRS use, some very light scratches in select areas.

$1150 shipped for stock + arca

Also including the 360 precision cheek piece quick adjust knob.

I also have an OTM bottom metal, internal tungsten weights, and an external (forend) 2# tungsten weight that I can include if interested.

On their own, I’ll split with the OTM bottom metal, Internal Tungsten weights, or External tungsten weight for $100 each but as a bundle I can definitely make it more of a deal.

Catch and release. Bought and shot one match with it but acquired a halo x. $60.00 shipped.

These are all brand new in box and .550 magnum bolt face

Stainless in Anti-X and Ruckus will be $1,000 shipped to your FFL
Nitride in Anit-X will be $1,100 shipped to your FFL

Please let us know if you have any questions.

I have a used Proof 6 ARC AR-15 barrel 20" +1 cerakoted black. $300 shipped shot 75gr vmax from Druidhill .75 shot 80gr vt well too. Barrel has under 300 rounds down it. Can ship with gas tube. $300 shipped. Switched to 22 Arc.

Starline 6 ARC weighed and under shooting at 200 pieces plus 15-20. $120 shipped.

Very light use Trijicon Suppressor/Optic Height Sights - Fits Glock Standard Frames

Front: White Outline / Green Tritium, Rear: Black Outline / Green Tritium
GL201-C-600658

$100 shipped.

Near mint condition HS Precision Stock with bottom metal. Taken off my Remington LTR .308.
$350 shipped.

Please PM me only with asking price, condition and if you are including anything in addition to the scope.

Only dealing with well established members with 100% positive feedback.

Thank you.

Interested in the Arken optics with zero stop. Sounds like their zero stop design is the same across optics. I like to run speed drop/dial down 1.6 for my specific setup.

Would the Arken zero stop design allow me to set the zero stop 1.6 mil below "0". My Vortex optic only allowed me to dial down 0.5 mil from zero. From the videos I've watched it looks like Arken may allow this but I wanted to know for sure before making a purchase.

Thanks!

Tried to think of a catchy title for this thread something like 338 Norma versus 22 Rimfire for Long Range or 22 Rimfire humbles a 338 Norma at Rayners Range today or some other catchy title but not sure what I'll do. This is mainly a thread about our day out and some things to pass along to others. The day started out with my Son and I heading out to Rayners Range so he could check some midrange settings on his 338 Norma for an upcoming ELR event. We took along our 22 rimfires since Tom also has a really nice 22 steel plate course with racks from 25 yards out to 250 yards. Similiar to mine but has more distance.

We stopped off at Toms 100 yard sight-in range so he could check his 100 yard zero, first cold bore shot a bullets width right of center and the second elongating the hole more towards center. Good nuff' he said and up the road we went to his lower half of the range which has targets from 235 yards out to 550 yards for his first half of his CF matches. He wanted to get a check at 500 and there was a rack at 487 which was close enough. There were 4 others at this stage so he got ready as the others were shooting. His first shot was 1" below center with the second splatters touching. He swung over and called the bolt on the 4"x6" plate and caught the right side of the bolt. Good Nuff" again.

You can't go up on the hill to shoot the 1000 yard plates since it's in the same series of racks being used at this location and you'd be shooting over top of their heads so we had to wait. While waiting he got out his Old Faithful Izhmash 22 LR toggle gun with a new 7-35 Arken on it. He'd previously got a good zero at our range but hadn't tried it out any farther. One of the other shooters asked what it was and Chris said a 22. Ahhh, what case you using since he had a 22 BR he was playing with. This is a 22 rimfire, what you going to shoot at here?

Chris dialed in the setting for 487 yards which I'll edit in later due to him being at work right now. He's using Strelok Pro and used his Kestrel for wind and came up with 2 Mil coming in from the right. They all were kinda watching and I kidded Chris "if you get a first round hit I'll buy lunch at the Zanesville Chinese buffet". I got down behind the Kowa spotting scope, he got ready and shot. I was looking for a trace since the 338 had a beautiful trace all the way to the target. I was just opening up my mouth to say I didn't see anything and we heard the distant distinct "DING". I could not believe it, I didn't see the impact due to it being a red target and didn't show the little hit. He shot again and it went just under it so his hit had to be low. He made a slight adjustment and ran 4 more hits. Then he angled over on the little 4x6 inch 30 point plate and again got a hit. His second shot at it did miss about an 1 1/2" off the left which is amazing.

OK, not many will believe it which I really don't care, there were 4 others there watching that couldn't believe it but we've shot that far at Rayners with our 22s quite a few times before, one of my videos is on Youtube hitting the 500 yard 16" target 8 out of 10 times a few years ago. He went on to check his 1000 yard setting and all went well as expected. We had a great lunch at the Buffet but was $30.00 poorer due to a poor wager.

Later that day I went over to meet up with a buddy that had just finished up a set of Long Gong targets (8", 6" and 4") set at 300 yards at a buddies range close by to home. I had my Remington 40X in a McCrees chassis with an Arken SH-4. I call this gun Old Faithful due to it's always been my best go long range gun. The wind at Rayners was pretty steady but here at Hoo Doo Valley it swirls, switches and just do Hoo Doo things that are crazy. Really tough range but offers a real challenge.

I set up the Garmin Chronograph to see how this same batch of Lapua Super Long Range Chris used at Rayners would do and have some data to share. I think I shot 11 shots to see how his targets would move when hit to make keeping score easy. They worked perfect, might get a center hit, then 3 inches off the right, then 6 inches off the left but elevation was really really great. EXT SPRD was 18.7 fps and STD DEV was 4.8 fps. Thats why it shoots so well. A buddy that was there wanted to try the two different versions of Wolf Target. We always thought the Old Wolf shot better than the new stuff so this should show up on the Garmin.

He shot the New stuff first and fired 10 shots, Wasn't very impressive with verticle hits on the 300 yard target.The EXT SPRD was 41.2 FPS and STD DEV was 11.6 fps. He then fired 9 shots of the Old Wolf with EXT SPRD 25.2 fps and STD DEV was 8.1 fps. It did had a bit better verticle spread on the 300 yard target. I know, I keep saying it's AMMO AMMO AMMO and don't care what equipment you bring but this does show there is a big difference especially at distance.

Lapua SLR



New Wolf by Eley



Old Wolf



So, which gun did better today at Rayners? The 338 Norma shooting nice tight groups out to 1000 and even out past 2000 yards or the lowly little 22 rimfire struggling and clawing it's way to get him hits at 487 yards? Both are winners to us but just does go to show you the little bugger can surprise when Mother Nature blesses us with a very consistent condition, nearly any slight change in wind, temperture, humidity, lighting or if someone sitting beside you on another bench looks at you weird groups or hits are a thing of the past and leaves you thinking bad things to say or blame it on.

Know this is long but thought it might be entertaining and maybe even contain a bit of info someone can find useful. Until we started playing with Lapua SLR or RWS R50 we had no idea there was another level of accuracy above what our old Wolf, SK Bia. other similiar ammo was giving us all these years. You may still get a round out of the good ones but it may be enough to catch an edge hit instead of dropping down under a small target. None of this may pertain to 50 yard Benchrest but seeing it happen at longer distances is a real eye opener to those not used to using Top Shelf ammo. You also gotta remember this was shot with a factory barreled Izhmash and an Arken scope. Not a high dollar setup and is the same gun that won the Iron Element ELR 22 rimfire match last year with 6/7 hits at 400 yards on a 12" plate with over 20 moa of wind dialed in. Makes ya wonder where to put the money when getting into longrange rimfire shooting?

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Sniper's Hide and Chris Way of Kraft are partnering up to collect some data from Shooters.

Chris is a very data-driven shooter, he is a competitive shooter and loves to analyze data. He Krafted a precision rifle course of fire designed to be shot at 100 yards and collect data from multiple positions.

To get into the background, Chris is training for Assassins Way and has competed in several national level precision rifle events. You can follow his YT Channel or Instagram Account. For further background, you can listen to Chris on the Precision Rifle Podcast.

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The idea of this target is to shoot multiple positions, this is meant to be dynamic, to replicate positions one might find in the field or in competition.

We are looking at the basic position, all supported.

• Standing
• Kneeling
• Sitting
• Prone

Supported Positions

We want a minimum of 3 shots per position, and make it realistic. Don't build a better position because you are not on the clock. We want you to engage these positions clean and free, on-demand. In other words, don't use a bench with additional support, we want this to be as organic as possible.

Use the calibrated target below, we don't need comment on the paper, but details will help. We are strictly collecting data to compare across a wide range of shooters. We want just want you to post a picture of your group, If you want to discuss that is no problem at all, the more discussion the better. But the reality is Chris simply needs the image of the shot group.

I would recommend a tripod, but a barricade is an easy way to accomplish this drill.

If you want to include caliber and rifle information that is no problem at all. We are really just looking at the group.

Download the target, go out to 100 yards and shoot the positions, Then post your image here or email to Chris at the address on the PDF.

You shoot the same target for each position, we are looking at the overall total group size based on the changes in position

selling my spot for the kaljes match in TN at KM on May 23. Included the train up day. Paid $375 will sell for $335 once paid I’ll email KM and have them change the spot over to you. I can take Zelle, cash app, and possibly Venmo

For Sale

Swaro 15x56 SLC

Comes with everything pictured.
- Eberlestock Multipack
- Outdoorsman Tripod Mount
- Swaro Tripod Mount
- Caps and Bino Bandit

These are in fantastic shape no issues at all.
The name tag is just a sticker and I’ll remove it before I ship them.

Asking SOLD shipped

Looking for a used NX8…

Only interested in dealing with established members.