I’ve been on this site since ‘09 iirc. Shooting since too long ago.

Lot of changes taking place. One that I notice is pre fit barrels. Seems no action is acceptable unless it accepts pre fits.
Has anyone compared accuracy of pre fits vs top notch custom work?
Are they equal or just “good enough”?
Would Tony Boyer compete with a pre fit or would @Terry Cross build a rifle that way? Would @Frank Green prefer a custom barreled rifle to one built as a pre fit?

Not looking for one off one group antidotes but real scientific testing.

"RAPTARs on MARS" - Weighing System Complexity vs. Workflow Simplification
[Scope + Weapon Mounted LRF] vs [BinoLRF + RDS]
(integrated azimuth/bearing to reduce glass (bino->scope) transition time?)
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RAPTARs et al. look cool for sure, adds weight but not too much - probably not optimally suited for PRS but more practical shooting styles (NRL/CD - "field matches") may have its benefits, but I wonder if these(WMLRF) truly are beneficial once in use (daylight) - or are they just redundancies and more-so useful fo night shooting?

A) Inside 400yd I think a WMLRF wouldn't be a great ROI - a pocket mono LRF or simply "eyeballing" distance can suffice in most scenarios, no?
B) 400-800yds with blind stages and semi hidden targets IDK if using your scope to find a target is going to help your overall speed to impact. Id guess that using a binoLRF would be the quickest way to find and range targets in that scenario; at that point what value is the WMLRF giving you other than confirming your binoLRF distance is similar? Plus you still have the issue of switching from bino to scope and reacquiring the target; even though you have an idea of targets general direction.
C) 800-1500yd I think a WMLRF would be pretty beneficial in workflow simplification (but at those ranges you normally have more time to shoot anyway...idk). Though I do think this is were WMLRF would shine, for daylight shooting - I [understand/more read a lot] that WMLRF is most useful for distance night shooting, no?
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The most useful (day) applications I can think of for WMLRF would be on open area stages with multiple, easily recognizable targets. In these cases you could see the targets that you need to hit with little issue, so find target area with RDS or [barrel slice], transition to scope and fine tune into target, click WMLRF for range/elevation solution, input ballistic answer into scope/hold (maybe clean up a wind call), fire - move to next target "XXXft to the right/left" and repeat.

Point being a WMLRF doesn't seem (at superficial glance) universally superior to binoLRF or even a pocket rangefinder (which I want to be wrong about, chime in with your thoughts/experiences behind rifles with WMLRF's and how your workflow is enhanced - or other intangible benefits that I likely missed). It seems to have limited application and won't replace a binocular for the [target acquisition/finding] portion in most cases.

Another way of approaching this - In your experience why/is a WMLRF 'juice worth the squeeze' given the price point on them is almost $10k?
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As a side note: A helpful improvement I can think of to increase overall speed (minimize transition time from finding target in bino --> scope on target) would be to have a compass azimuth integrated on both binoculars and WMLRF. That way you can use it as an 'indexing point' to get close enough to target vicinity during bino to scope transitions.

So I guess im wondering if 'azimuth' is displayed on WMLRF's like RAPTAR, or more likely the new Envision MARS?
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Preferred barrel 6mm ARC prefit. 26" Proof comp profile 7.5 twist 6ARC match chamber. 5/8-24 muzzle. 500 rnds

ARC CDG Bolt head. 3 MDT ARC mags (2-12 rnd, 1-10)

199 pieces of Lapua Grendel brass converted.

$700 Shipped.

2 used but in good condition Atlas BT47-LW17 bipods. $200 each + the cost of shipping.

Looking to trade my Shadow Systems MR 920 with Trijicon RMR. Very low use. Comes with a Tier One Concealed holster and Streamlight TLR 7.

Looking for scopes, actions, manners stocks.

Hi guys,
Fed Ex dropped off a bunch of 308 Gold Match on my doorstep yesterday…… (first time purchasing nice ammo), but after reading the specs on the back, I’m kinda confused (or lost as the wife unit puts it) about one of the ballistic specs written on the back.
Can someone please explain to me what’s the difference between “Average Range” and “Long Range”? I’m assuming it’s bullet drop, but why are there two different numbers.
Thanks a bunch in advance

Nightforce Atacr 5-25 Mil-r, NF ultra light rings.


Asking $SPF shipped

Prefer PayPal, Venmo, cash app or cash. Located in North west Alabama.

Well,

For starters... Wow.... This rifle absolutely rocks! Also, this full review is ALSO posted over on 6.5creemoor forums.

I recently picked up a gun I've been drooling over for a while. A Beretta BRX1 Straight pull. It's a fully modular system. Can be swapped Right and left bolt, right or left ejection, and the barrel can be swapped to change calibers. I chose mine in 6.5 CM of course. 8 twist, 22 inch cold hammer forged barrel.

The rifle is splendidly accurate. Multiple factory loads printing a 3/4" group between multiple shooters (Albeit all shooters are active PRS competitors, so not your run of the mill Range Jockeys). We were using a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6 as it felt appropriate on this speedy rifle.

The action is smooth, and fluid. Tighter than you would expect looking at it. Cycling it sounds like a fine pump shotgun. It uses an AR-15 style Rotating star bolt , so you DO have to run the bolt like you mean it or you CAN insert some malfunction.

The Stock is stiff, and strong. NOT your typical Injection Molded kit that comes with budget and even mid tier rifles. The stock is actually multiple pieces. The rifle has a upper and lower receiver similar to an AR-15. So the stock has a fore end and a butt stock. The grip has swappable grips available from Beretta.

The trigger is kind of adjustable? It's crisp and sharp, and works beautifully. It is not immediately adjustable but has 3 preset adjustments. You can chose heavy, medium, or light. The light setting is about 2.5 pounds and all the competition shooters than handled the rifle found the trigger to be excellent at this rifles price point.

The rifle isn't exactly light, but isn't heavy either,Listing at 7.3 pounds.

The scope rail, is attached to the upper receiver. Which to my knowledge has the Barrel threaded into it, similar to a barrel extension, like the AR-15. Seems Beretta took a huge amount of input from the AR platform. The scope is a Mil STD picatinny rail

The magazine is a 3D printed polymer, bright orange. It is a double stack design which holds 5 rounds for both standard and Magnum calibers. Someone over the pond designed a AICS mag kit for this rifle, I don't know who however. The magazine is absolutely intuitive the way it was designed. Instead of having one release tab, it has 2. And BOTH have to be released together to drop the mag. Should just about completely resolve an accidental magazine release. It's also an AR style Top load, just press the bullets in. Instead of the push down and slide in style like AICS.

The barrel is cold hammer forged. Something pretty common these days. What's NOT common is they also cold hammer forged the chamber. Ricardo Olivieri from Beretta explained to me the mandrel they use for the barrels, has a perfect chamber on it, which helps with accuracy and concentricity. My testing at the range shows it seems to work lovely. The barrel is a medium profile, and IS threaded for a Brake or Suppressor. I shoot mine with a rather nose heavy Dead Air Sandman S. It would do me well to invest in a Titanium Ultralight hunting suppressor.

Caliber change kits to the sound of a Barrel, with included scope rail and upper receiver, a magazine, and a Bolt Face, should be for sale around June, to the wallet damage of 775 beans. The whole rifle from Euro optics is 1500 beans. The barrel swap is about a 3 minute process. Ejection or bolt handle swapping is a 60 second process once you figure it out. Trigger is a modular kit that drops out and installs in seconds. Basically the only real tool you need is to swap the barrel, a 6mm Allen wrench (one included with rifle)

I hope you found my review interesting. I would love to answer any questions you may have!

had his conviction tossed by ill. supreme court

Will get pics when I get a chance but I’m going to clear out some unused gear.

FP raptar from the PRG group buy that has been unlocked. I don’t think this one has ever been carried or used other than function check. Excellent condition with full kit.
$3800 sold

Original tan Terrapin. It has been in the back of the safe for years after moving to a smaller lrf that does everything I need. I never even used up a set of batteries in it.
$1200

CNVD-lr
Had Sureshot retube this one from green to a filmless wp 2758fom tube. I have the data sheet. It’s in excellent shape and has been used very little and sadly not at all since the retube. Includes bag and accessories.
$8000

Picked this up for a build but at this rate it’s never gonna happen. Sold the action, so need to sell the stock too. It’s a manners EH1A in Elite Moss pattern. It has been bedded for an Origin SA with HLR recoil lug so maybe it’ll work with the TL3?, has a Hawkins Hunter DBM (it’s seen better days but still works!), and an Area 419 arca rail. Barrel channel is for a proof sendero I believe as I bought it used. Has action screws as well.

700 bucks shipped or best offer.

Looking to move this Carbon 6 blank down the road. It is a 20” 7mm 1:8tw, perfect for your 7PRC, 7SS, 7 saum, etc build. Waited almost a full year for this to be delivered save some money and a year of your time. This is their magnum contour.

Asking 600 shipped to your door or your gunsmith’s door. Pp f&f preferred.

Also have 100pcs Virgin ADG 7 saum brass and 500 7mm 168gr Berger classic hunters that will be in a separate ad.

SAC 6 Alpha Dasher Sizing Die with decapping mandrel, short action customs loc ring and three bushings .265 .266 and .267. $285 shipped

Hi,

Up for sale:

Tyrant Design Mod grip v2 Red
Strike Industry Corba Trigger Guard Red

Slightly used but in great condition with original parts.

$60 for both shipped to your door. Paypal F&F or you pay the fees, or Venmo.

Used Seekins Precision Havak Hit Pro 6GT for sale with a SECOND factory 6 GT 24" barrel brand new! $2,200 shipped to your verified FFL.

This premium rifle comes with ARCA railed incorporated in the chassis. MDT 6GT magazine (AI compatible .308 mags). Seekins custom carry case. 20 MOA Seekins rail. Folding stock. Trigger Tech Diamond premium trigger. Threaded barrel (s). Bag rider and cheek riser. M-LOK forearm for accessories. Thread on barrel gun so you can buy their other calibers at a low price to expand shooting platform (6.5CR, 6 CR, 308, others). Not selling new barrel separate. Serious offers only. Excellent shape rifle that is fully functioning like new. Some paint wear at point of bipod installation and scope mount (normal). Sub MOA Seekins rifle that balances on a shooting bag without weights. Shoot PRS all season or several with this package deal. No trades.

SHIP TO ONLY LEGAL and confirmed FFL after payment. Credit card, Venmo, Zelle, and USPS money orders ONLY. Contact PM with any other questions.

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The video below is a great illustration......... School is in session........@sirhrmechanic is excused from class, as he seems to have ranting ( which I love and enjoy) down to the T

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Selling a few pouches I never felt fit my setup. All prices obo, cleaning out my garage.

BFG mag now triple pouch (new) $70
Crye airlite configurable radio pouch like new/new (can't remember if I ever even mounted it) $spf
Crye sps 013 frag pouch (like new) $spf

I’m looking for 2 Spuhr (4002,4002C) 34mm non cantilever mounts 0moa, 1.5” high, non QD

In need of advice about compounds, I want to bed a couple of rifle stocks I've done 2 before using bedding kits but I just want to get epoxy since I already have everything else. So I'm thinking marinetex or acraglas, thinking I need something that is not too thick to fill and form. Any suggestions

Up for sale is a Nightforce Ultramount 34mm, 0moa, 1.54in mount in Black - A700. Comes with the RAP-I - A686 rail.

$275 shipped - Discreet PayPal F&F or G&G (plus fees) or Venmo

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks

Price Drop Athlon Cronus 15x 56 Binoculars as new including two shoulder straps, hard case and soft case and the binoculars, cleaning cloth and an Athlon mount for a tripod. See the pics below. $$450 plus $15 to ship UPS insured. Paypal F&F preferred. Feel free to check my feedback.

I have two pairs of liberators for sale. One has the over the head support and one behind the head.
$200 OBO each.

Looking at all the various 36mm rings and mounts I’ve acquired the last several years and that I’m not currently using. All prices are shipped. Zelle, personal check, bank check, Postal MO, etc. are all fine.

1. *SOLD* ARC M10 32mm in height NIB $130
2. *SOLD* ARC M10 28mm never used and brand new/ mint but I can’t find the box. $120

3. ZCO labeled (but actually APA Tru-Locs) .984” height NIB $130
4. ZCO Slimline one piece mount 6mil cant NIB $225
5. RRS 1.26” with 20moa NIB $225

6. *SOLD* RRS 1.26” with 0moa in box lightly used but mint condition and can’t tell from new $210

Up for sale is a bul armory SAS.

Comes with everything pictured.

1700 shipped

I’m thinking about upgrading my spotting game and I have a Vortex Viper 15x45 spotting scope and 8x binos. This weekend I put my 8x Vortex Razors on a tripod and I was happy at how well I could see impacts from 300-1000 yards on steel. Over 600 it was harder to see where on the target the shots were impacting but I could see trace reasonably well. I also noticed that my eyes weren’t as tired after the session and I had so much more awareness due to the field of view. It helped with changing wind calls that we were having to make.

My use would be spotting only from 300-1200 yards at the range and general hunting glassing off of tripod (our rifle range turns into one of the best stands during the whitetail rut). Also I shoot 3-gun and some PRS so I was hoping to be able to use a new set to take the place of having to carry my spotting scope all the time and use to spot for those matches.

I don’t need a recommendation on brands but it’s more like a theoretical question on what magnification (12, 15 or 18x) would you choose given the variables: tripod mounted, 300-1200 yards, need to see trace and general target finding and hit detection.

I’m keeping my spotting scope for paper and I hunt mostly in the east so finding white tails and turkeys in the eastern woods will keep me using 8x for general hunting.


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