I had to learn to not use brushed at all..not because I was worried it would hurt but my Vudoo simply doesn’t like a deep cleaning for whatever reason. I do clean the chamber with c4. I use a borescope to make sure the ring is gone then I clean it just like the latest video. I use the felt rounds and a patchworm string and boretech. I clean after every match or range session. After I started doing this my gun was more consistent and repeatable. Some matches I go to you don’t get a zero check. I need it to shoot as soon as I pull it out of the case. The first 3-4 shots will go a touch, just a touch high and to the right. You can see it on paper but I never thought it caused me to miss in a match. Long story short, I saw the last video, tried it, and it made me and my gun more consistent.
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LPTC results for barreled action plus trigger. Vudoo Gen 2 Action, Proof Carbon Fiber Barrel 20", Kukri, 1:16, threaded muzzle, Bix'nAndy 2-Stage TacSport Pro Trigger with ~6 oz second stage pull weight.
Purchased the recommended Midas+ from Capstone, $1792 for the case.
Purchased the recommended Midas+ from Capstone, $1792 for the case.
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I would never try to tell anyone how to properly clean a gun barrel. There are so many different opinions . Some make since some don't. Here are a few things to think about that might help if you're unsure about barrel cleaning. I'm not one of those guys that buys into the idea that if you do this or don't do that you'll trash out your barrel. Sure you can f ***up a steel ball if you try hard enough but most shooters try to care for their guns. I've owned 50yr old 40x and 52s that God only knows what has been ran down their barrels in 50 years and they still shot very good. Some ideas that make since to me are. Swab your barrel first. Liquids reduce friction and lessen chances for scratching or abrasion. Don't use coat hangers for cleaning rods! Use a stiff quality cleaning rod that won't flex and use rod guides. Make sure jags and brushes fit the rod smoothly. Use bronze brushes and always be aware of the crown. Think about this. Which is worse. Slowly pushing a patch or brush down a barrel or blowing hot lead , burning powder and primer compound which contains glass particles down the barrel at 1000 ft per second.
rick137,
Nice, you did well, really well. And thanks for the comprehensive post of your data. There is a lot of info to be gleaned from it for those who take the time.
Nice, you did well, really well. And thanks for the comprehensive post of your data. There is a lot of info to be gleaned from it for those who take the time.
I am contemplating purchasing a KRG Bravo chassis for a Vudoo. Are there magazine seating issues, i.e. vertical play, rocking/rotational play, for the Vudoo 10 shot polymer mags or any of the Vudoo aluminum mags? If so, is there an effective remediation?
Thanks for any intel.
Thanks for any intel.
I’m running the Bravo with my Vudoo 3-60 and have had absolutely no issues with any of my magazines
Anyone running the Vision KRG Hand Guard?
I have been to the Mesa testing center but I have never shipped my rifle. I have a couple of questions:
1. How do you pack your rifle when shipping it for testing?
2. Do you purchase the shipping label from the test facility or just purchase it as an individual from the shipper?
Purchase label from the shipper, which I do UPS and insure it for $2000.
I put my barreled action in the original Vudoo shipping boxes (the white one) and then the white one inside of a slightly larger cardboard one with some packing material.
1. I took the stock and scope off of the rifle and just sent them the barreled action, bolt and a magazine. I used plastic spacers (like 'pillars') to keep the trigger guard in place for shipping (to protect the actual TriggerTech Diamond trigger itself) and put it all in the original padded case that the complete gun came in from Vudoo, and used the original cardboard overbox.
2. I just purchased and printed my own shipping label off of UPS.com.
That was smart to protect the trigger that way. Mine got damaged by ups on the return trip and I never got anything from the claim.
Thanks -- do you think it would be worthwhile to make them available with my other 3D-print items (https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...-mag-loader-tool-magazine-bench-tray.7100374/) ? I hadn't thought about other people maybe needing to use something like that.
I ended up just putting packing peanuts around the trigger in the Vudoo box to keep it secure from vibration during shipping.
Thanks for the response!
Thanks for the response. I like using the trigger guard to protect the trigger.
Could be one of those things some may throw in the cart while they are at it if they are cheap enough.
I have several of your items and they work great. I would use the spacers.
I had to order the one time adjustable mag catch and then I was able to use the 15 round mag. Before the bolt would just glide over the top and not pick up a round unless I held the bottom of the mag.
I have one on backorder and will post pics as soon as I get it.
I dropped a Vudoo gen 2 BA into a Bravo and had zero issues. Yet to have a feed/extraction issue of any kind. I installed a Triggertech Diamond single stage and adjusted the pull and never had an issue with it either. I have only used the plastic 10 rd. magazines. Easy peasy!
I know this is a lie, a blatant terrible lie at that!
No one only eats 1 potato chip!
Vudoo 360 in a Foundation stock.
The barrelled action is special order. It is dark grey with the bolt and rail black. The screw on muzzle protector has been also perfectly blended.
Brought to the range only once but first ammo testing shows VERY promising accuracy.
Gilbert
The barrelled action is special order. It is dark grey with the bolt and rail black. The screw on muzzle protector has been also perfectly blended.
Brought to the range only once but first ammo testing shows VERY promising accuracy.
Gilbert
Lightweight rimfire-centerfire pair for positional shooting:
Both rifles:
Grayboe Phoenix Stock with two Tough Tactical Tools M-Lok ARCA rails
Bix’nAndy 2-Stage trigger with Gator shoe
Swarovski Z8i 1-8 x 24 scope with Innomount Picatinny to SR mount
Centerfire:
TL3 SA action with Proof Research Carbon Fiber 20”, 1:8 twist, Sendaro contour, 223 Rem barrel
Hawkins Precision M5 DBM bottom metal with Hawkins M5 DBM Long Latch
Accurate Magazine 5 round 223 Rem magazine
Rimfire:
Vudoo V22 Gen 3 with Bartlein Carbon Fiber 20”, 1:16 twist, Kukri contour, 22LR barrel
Vudoo DBM bottom metal
Vudoo Aluminum 5 round 22LR magazine
Centerfire weight: 9.5lb
Rimfire weight: 9.7lb
Both rifles:
Grayboe Phoenix Stock with two Tough Tactical Tools M-Lok ARCA rails
Bix’nAndy 2-Stage trigger with Gator shoe
Swarovski Z8i 1-8 x 24 scope with Innomount Picatinny to SR mount
Centerfire:
TL3 SA action with Proof Research Carbon Fiber 20”, 1:8 twist, Sendaro contour, 223 Rem barrel
Hawkins Precision M5 DBM bottom metal with Hawkins M5 DBM Long Latch
Accurate Magazine 5 round 223 Rem magazine
Rimfire:
Vudoo V22 Gen 3 with Bartlein Carbon Fiber 20”, 1:16 twist, Kukri contour, 22LR barrel
Vudoo DBM bottom metal
Vudoo Aluminum 5 round 22LR magazine
Centerfire weight: 9.5lb
Rimfire weight: 9.7lb
I don't think that dog has moved since you last posted a photo.Vudoo 360 in a Foundation stock.
The barrelled action is special order. It is dark grey with the bolt and rail black. The screw on muzzle protector has been also perfectly blended.
Brought to the range only once but first ammo testing shows VERY promising accuracy.
Gilbert
Hey Willi,
Yes the dog moves from time to time but being an elderly Mastiff, he spends most of his days ( and nights ) sleeping - lol
Gilbert
Yes the dog moves from time to time but being an elderly Mastiff, he spends most of his days ( and nights ) sleeping - lol
Gilbert
So latest issue with Vudoo. When mounted in the Manners Mini-chassis Gen 2, the mag does not sit high enough for the bolt to feed it. Is there a custom mag catch made for these? Don't have the same problem with hawkins BM, just in the Mini-chassis.
Hi,
That's odd, I've got mine in a TCS (with mini chassis of course) & have never had a problem... Which I realize helps you exactly zero.
Sincerely,
J-Ham
That's odd, I've got mine in a TCS (with mini chassis of course) & have never had a problem... Which I realize helps you exactly zero.
Sincerely,
J-Ham
Have had mine in nothing but Mini Chassis, both Gens, and never an issue. Did you try a different mag? There should be no issues with a Gen 2 Mini Chassis.
Contact manners and they’ll send you a longer mag latch. Had to do it with my .223 when using the polymer mags. Not every chassis is plug and play.
Yea i have 2 of the poly mags and both sit too low to feed. I can push mag up from bottom.
No issues otherwise using accurate, AICS, ARC mags and also .223 Accurate mags with Impact action.
Yea they do but they all run foundations and not manners so they don't have the same issues. I actually have a LRH with the M5 Mini chassis with Hawkins BM and that works fine as well. I think its just the mini chassis gen 2 that beeds a new mag latch like you guys said.
Just try a couple of their mags though to rule out the mags. As I said I have had mine in multiple mini chassis both Gen 1 and 2 and mags worked great. Know others also. Worth trying to make sure it’s not the mags and then you change the latch and it won’t work with other mags.
I wanted a heavy rig for support shooting so purchased a Foundation Centurion for a Vudoo with a 22" MTU barrel. The Centurion had a Vudoo action inlet and a Vudoo DBM bottom metal inlet. With Vudoo DBM bottom metal there should be no magazine fitment issues. There were none with five 5 round, one 10 round and one 15 round aluminum mag. However, there were with 10 round polymer mags. The action screws were torqued to 6.2Nm, the recommended value by Foundation. Only 8 of 25 of the 10 round polymer mags would lock but many of the others seemed very close. So I retorqued the action screws to 5.6Nm and 13 would lock. Finally I retorqued the action screws to 5.1Nm and all 25 locked. What is the dimensional difference due to the different torques? A few mils?
Is it technologically possible to have mil sized tolerances on polmer? Economically feasible for a product selling for $33?
The workaround was simple but expensive, four more 10 shot aluminum magazines. The added weight is no problem, perhaps a benefit for supported shooting. With a NF ATACR 7-35 x56F1, the total weight of the rig is 17.4lb. It is a brute.
Is it technologically possible to have mil sized tolerances on polmer? Economically feasible for a product selling for $33?
The workaround was simple but expensive, four more 10 shot aluminum magazines. The added weight is no problem, perhaps a benefit for supported shooting. With a NF ATACR 7-35 x56F1, the total weight of the rig is 17.4lb. It is a brute.
Have you added the front weights yet?
I'm running same setup / 22" mtu, nightforce ATACR with spuhr mount. With the front weight it's still rear heavy.
No issues with magazines but i am running Hawkins bottom with extended latch. I've added a 7" brass ARCA rail to the front for more balance.
I don't mind the extra weight or how heavy the rifle is.
My only chassis that was finicky with magazines was MPA. The foundation, XLR envy and cadex have zero issues regardless of magazine
@Badjujuu
No front weights, only the full length ARCA rail. I chose the light weight stock. Rifle is not noticeably rear heavy although balance not important since I do not do PRS/NRL22 shooting. The support will be a bench with a bipod and rear squeeze bag to do rapid shooting at 200yd at steel targets with diameters of 10", 5" and 3". Goal is 4 impacts on the 10" and 3 impacts on the other two within a minute. Something like KYL with a time constraint.
I agree with you about Hawkins M5 DBM bottom metal with extended latch. It can eliminate lock and feeding issues for both 22LR and 223 Rem mags in a variety of stocks.
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My set up as shown above ( with the dog in the background ) is Vudoo 360 in Foundation stock with Vudoo mag assembly. So far only tried the 5 round aluminum mag and no feeding issues.
Gilbert
Gilbert
Here's another sample of Foundation / Vudoo DBM with no feeding issues using 10rd polymer, 10rd aluminum, and 15rd aluminum mags. Action screws torqued to 50 in-lb.
Nice, sounds interesting. I got the centurion from another member here so it's not the light weight option. Had I ordered from foundation directly I'd definitely go with that.
I'll try out your type of bench match. Sounds interesting.
I enjoy my rifles balanced so I'm not fighting them on barricades, but they do end up heavy which sucks in field type matches.
@Badjujuu
If my back allowed it, I would shoot in prone position. How many snipers shoot from a bench? But, in addition to being extremely uncomfortable, if I shot prone would have to visit a chiropractor on way home from the range.
My true love is standing, offhand shooting for which weight, balance and all other ergonomic factors plus smooth feeding, extraction and ejection are most important. Bench rest and all other supported shooting is a divertissement for me.
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