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I have no doubt that a few cops would feel that way (out of many thousands) but if you think that’s common or likely you’re delusional (awkward strange fantasy level delusional).

Where did i even remotely insinuate this as common?

Lol, jesus...
 
Should the Jews in Warsaw have not fought back?.....just submitted because the Nazis were going to get them anyways?.....


When you don't give people an out...you don't forgive them for crimes they've atoned for....and you actively go out of your way to oppress them...why would you expect anything other than violence?


Should he have committed his previous crimes......no, but he served his time.

Should he have been speeding?......probably not

Should speeding be the reason he spends life in jail?......also no.....

Could he have gone to court to fight it?......not when he feels there's no point, which given his experience is honestly a fair point.

Not saying he was right.....but the state is hardly blameless here.
That's a wrap folks. From getting pulled over for speeding to the Warsaw Ghetto.


Might have to make a mcameron corollary that the rate increases by 200% when he is present

I feel like you're a total choad (see highlighted portion), and we all know that feelings are what matters, so sorry dude--off to the oven!

Unfortunately, reality says "FUCK YOUR FEELINGS" This ain't a BLM or Liberal party. We offend feelings round here.

Pussy.
 
100mph isn’t fast.

Was thinking that as well. But then some fucking smartass would bring up school zone or some shit just to argue...

But on highways with 70mph+ speedlimit, 100 isnt a "big ticket item"...i see it all the time.
 
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People in this country have been indoctrinated to believe 100mph is fast. We call those people pussies.
 
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Just got around to watching that video... been busy.

My humble? Fuck anyone who thinks that was a bad shoot.

WTF is wrong with people. Gotta be trolling. Can't possibly be serious. Glad that asshole is dead.

"I ain't gonna do shit"

Nothing but restraint from that cop. I even think he grabbed his baton first in response to the attack
 
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I have no doubt that a few cops would feel that way (out of many thousands) but if you think that’s common or likely you’re delusional (awkward strange fantasy level delusional).
85-90 is my normal freeway speed. 100 isnt uncommon. Ive gone passed plenty of cops without them coming after me. And if it was so dangerous why should the cop come flying after me. They aren't any kind of pro drivers. Doung 100 in todays cars is safer then doing 60 in cars from 10 years ago in every way
 
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Speeding versus Genocide.

Helluva analogy...but par for your conversation

BENDER!! Got a pigeon in here that needs fucking!
 
100 mph isn’t fast to me either, but it’s 30 over the speed limit. Also, semis and blue hairs will whip out in front of you so they can pass someone at the high speed of 71 mph.
 
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You must've watched a different video.

Cop was screaming get out. Walk to the rear and put your hands on the vehicle.

"I ain't gonna do shit"

Hilarity ensues

From the start the cop told him that he was being arrested. Can't imagine how this guy thought this would play out
 
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Oh my God, a whole 100 mph.

Dude have you ever driven on a highway?

Highway speeds of 90-100 are not uncommon.

Christ Ive never seen a statie on the highway(no lights on) doing anything less that 90...

Not everybody lives in FL where the speed limit is just a suggestion.
 
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All this video does is reinforce a possibility, that people are losing the ability to interact with each other within the framework of the physical world...

And with increasingly fatal outcomes.
 
Where did i even remotely insinuate this as common?

Lol, jesus...

I said, “If you think this is likely or common…”

You said:

“I think the patrol guy was pissed”

So… you think this is likely. 🤦‍♂️ and I think you’re an idiot (if you really think that’s likely what was in the cop’s mind).
 
I said, “If you think this is likely or common…”

You said:

“I think the patrol guy was pissed”

So… you think this is likely. 🤦‍♂️ and I think you’re an idiot (if you really think that’s likely what was in the cop’s mind).

Well geez, what can i say? Clever...

The fact he was likely pissed was observed by his physical movement and the infliction when using his "command voice". Seemed a little shaken is all....a lil more than my personal experiences albeit from quite a long time ago. Im the guy in the slow lane these days ;)

Hey bro, I could be wrong here. Not really a tall hill for me you know?

I still dont see the connection you are trying to draw with some half-ass-type of dashed- line to the entirety of patol officers..lmao. If i say that was not my intent, would it cure your ills?
 
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Could he have gone to court to fight it?......not when he feels there's no point, which given his experience is honestly a fair point.
That right there. He could have gone to court to fight it. Feeling that there is no point is subjective and not a valid point in defense of his choking the cop. For that, you deserve a Billy Madison moment. Congrats, you have earned it.

 
I totally get that and I’m with you there. Cops/Judges making something minor seem like the crime of the century is a serious pet peeve of mine.

But adult men should have enough impulse control to behave with some level of control even when provoked. If they don’t have that control when pissed off by a cop, what are they doing to the weaker people in their lives when pissed off? Wives? Girlfriends? Mothers?

Details:

Drunk asshole with a long history of being a drunk asshole (including beating children with oversized horse shoes (from the game, horse shoes) and fighting with cops, took a shot at my partner with a rifle.

My partner shot him 4 times and I shot him 8 times before he hit the ground.

This was in the BLM/anti cop hay day, so we were both “retired” early for political reasons.

It’s a tough pill to swallow when your career is ended for doing the right thing, and the media lies for years about it because they know they can… but if I had to do it all over the only thing I’d do different is start shooting a half second earlier.

It kills me that there was a moment of hesitation (when my partner was just shot at) over taking a dirtbag life.
Thank you for your service. If you are ever in the DFW area, I need to buy you lunch.
 
Why was I waiting for the cop to say the name Cletus is his autistic word frenzy?
 
....did you miss the whole part where the courts sent him to prison for 16 years for crimes he didnt do?....

yeeeeaaaah, i think you did
Zero part of that, even if he was wrongly convicted before, excuses him from not complying this time and also choking the cop.

I get it. You feel you were wrongly convicted.

I feel my father-in-law from my first marriage was wrongly convicted. But he kept his mouth shut and lived. His name was on some bad S&L loans back in the 80's. The judge said he would be lenient if he named names. But it was the Syndicate. He did not name names and serve 4 and 6 years concurrently and got out in 2.5 years for good behavior. It was the Big Springs II unit. A country club when he went in but housing violent gang members when he got out, just in time.

And he would be the first one to comply with a cop when pulled over. Because any particular cop would have nothing to do with his conviction before. Keep your mouth shut and find the easiest solution out of this.

And because of that, he lived just fine until he died of natural causes (myocardial infarction.)
 
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Ah yes....because his last trip to court ended up so well for him.....

Oh wait....no it didn't.....he was sentenced to 16 yrs for a crime he didn't commit.

After going what he went through, why would he have any faith in the justice system? Or feel like he could get a fair trial?

I honestly can't blame the guy


If you just escaped a prison sentence...
And you genuinely thought a corrupt govt was going to find another way to get you back behind bars for good, what would you do?...no sane person would trust the court system that failed them once, and now seems like it has a personal motive to fail them again.
He just passed the cop doing a 100 mph, at that point it’s reckless driving. It‘s clear he’s looking for trouble and he found it. At those speeds he’s not going to get politeness as he was a danger to the public, then he wants to argue and be defiant. Then there is resisting arrest and assaulting a cop.

Unfortunate, he was locked up for 16 years wrongfully, but that doesn’t give him a pass to do whatever because he’s bitter.
 
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On the racetrack, you are correct. On the interstate where this guy was stopped with all the variables of slower moving traffic ahead and cars changing lanes - it’s reckless too fast.
The places I have driven, it is criminal and you can go to jail. And that is a lot of places
 
Serious question for you...at what point would you fight?
This question alone shows your complete stupidity in regard to how to handle law enforcement. Can you name me one single case where a suspect, citizen, criminal, or whatever you want to tag the individual as, went physical on a cop trying to make an arrest at the scene, and it went in their favor, and the cop simply left, and forgot the whole thing?

It NEVER happens, and it never will. Law enforcement arrests are not bar fights. There will be only one winner... The cop. Everytime, all the time. Just as in this case. I'll let you in on something most everyone else on this planet automatically knows.

If you feel you have been wronged by law enforcement, the place to do your fighting is in the courtroom with an attorney, not in the street. There have been several court cases that have gone against the police.

By getting physical with the cop, all your doing is getting more sore and tired..... Or worse DEAD. And at the same time giving them a better case against you in court...... Which is exactly where you're going to end up anyway.

Get violent with the cop on the street, and you look like a violent asshole.... Just like this idiot did.

Your question was, "At what point would you fight?" The most intelligent answer is, when I have the best chance of winning the fight. And that is in a courtroom with an attorney, in front of a judge and jury. Not alongside the road, like this stupid, arrogant, dickhead.
 
And there's the problem. Arrestable offense when zero people or property were harmed.
Conformity regulations!!
Only if they're lucky. Speed limits are there for a reason. Because most people understand if everyone and their brother drove 100 MPH everytime they felt like it, traffic fatalities would go through the roof.

Most drivers today have barely enough skill or common sense behind the wheel to drive at posted speeds. Allow them to drive at 100 MPH and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Not to mention most individuals don't maintain their vehicles properly enough to safely push them that fast. Bald tires, bad shocks, etc., all contribute to raising the bar for serious accidents to happen.

If you look at the European Autobahn, along with their driving in general, they have strict maintenance protocol and inspections for all vehicles that must be followed to the letter.

Anything found in need of repair is automatically flagged. And it must be corrected and signed off on by a competent mechanic before a valid sticker is issued. That's why they allow for higher posted speeds.

In this country people will drive 5 or 10 MPH over on a regular basis. Cops know this and hand out tickets. Which amount to a fine, along with a few points against your license. Basically a slap on the wrist, telling you to slow down and be more careful.

But in most states anything over 15 to 20 MPH above the posted limit is treated as a criminal offense. Because anyone driving that fast is basically saying fuck you to the law, along with its enforcement. So you'll be arrested, and your vehicle will be towed and impounded.

This isn't done because cops want to be pricks. It's done to remove idiots from the road, who are a danger to themselves, and those around them. The punishment is more severe, because the offense is greater, and more importantly deliberate.
 
Only if they're lucky. Speed limits are there for a reason. Because most people understand if everyone and their brother drove 100 MPH everytime they felt like it, traffic fatalities would go through the roof.

Most drivers today have barely enough skill or common sense behind the wheel to drive at posted speeds. Allow them to drive at 100 MPH and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Not to mention most individuals don't maintain their vehicles properly enough to safely push them that fast. Bald tires, bad shocks, etc., all contribute to raising the bar for serious accidents to happen.

If you look at the European Autobahn, along with their driving in general, they have strict maintenance protocol and inspections for all vehicles that must be followed to the letter.

Anything found in need of repair is automatically flagged. And it must be corrected and signed off on by a competent mechanic before a valid sticker is issued. That's why they allow for higher posted speeds.

In this country people will drive 5 or 10 MPH over on a regular basis. Cops know this and hand out tickets. Which amount to a fine, along with a few points against your license. Basically a slap on the wrist, telling you to slow down and be more careful.

But in most states anything over 15 to 20 MPH above the posted limit is treated as a criminal offense. Because anyone driving that fast is basically saying fuck you to the law, along with its enforcement. So you'll be arrested, and your vehicle will be towed and impounded.

This isn't done because cops want to be pricks. It's done to remove idiots from the road, who are a danger to themselves, and those around them. The punishment is more severe, because the offense is greater, and more importantly deliberate.
I knew that the "But What If" were going to come. Too long, didn't read past the But But But.
Were there any people or property harmed? NO! It's a compliance, obey your master, we'll make an example out of you, obedience, bullshit regulation law or whatever.
 
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I knew that the "But What If" were going to come. Too long, didn't read past the But But But.
Were there any people or property harmed? NO! It's a compliance, obey your master, we'll make an example out of you, obedience, bullshit regulation law or whatever.
You will only, "be made an example of", if you act like an asshole, who feels they have to resist any and all authority. Because they don't like it, agree with it, or else feel they are above it.

These types of people can't help themselves by simply behaving, and doing what they are told to do, for the few minutes they have to do it. They can't resist their urge to resist, run, and or fight it out on the street where they're guaranteed to not only lose, but make matters worse for themselves.

How many times do we see these stupid idiots running from cops? Resisting cops? Even when there is one of them against 5 or 6 cops. They do it all the time. They're simply stupid idiots, who cannot control themselves for their own good.

Same thing with car chases. These morons know they're going to get caught. But they can't resist running, and in the process endanger themselves, and everyone around them. Again, they're fucking idiots, who feel they must resist any and all authority. Regardless of how dangerous or futile it is guaranteed to become.

So yes, smart people will comply, and do what the cop tells them to do. Not because they're weak or afraid. But because they're smart enough to understand they're temporarily in a no win situation. And behaving themselves by doing exactly what the cop tells them is in their best long term interest.

And as I mentioned before, they're intelligent enough to know to do their fighting in a courtroom with an attorney. Not like an idiot in the street with their fists....

Where they have zero chance against Tasers, 9 MM's, radios, spike strips, roadblocks, and helicopters with thermal imaging. Or a dozen other advantages the police have that street idiots with low I.Q.'s don't.
 
You will only, "be made an example of", if you act like an asshole, who feels they have to resist any and all authority. Because they don't like it, agree with it, or else feel they are above it.

These types of people can't help themselves by simply behaving, and doing what they are told to do, for the few minutes they have to do it. They can't resist their urge to resist, run, and or fight it out on the street where they're guaranteed to not only lose, but make matters worse for themselves.

How many times do we see these stupid idiots running from cops? Resisting cops? Even when there is one of them against 5 or 6 cops. They do it all the time. They're simply stupid idiots, who cannot control themselves for their own good.

Same thing with car chases. These morons know they're going to get caught. But they can't resist running, and in the process endanger themselves, and everyone around them. Again, they're fucking idiots, who feel they must resist any and all authority. Regardless of how dangerous or futile it is guaranteed to become.

So yes, smart people will comply, and do what the cop tells them to do. Not because they're weak or afraid. But because they're smart enough to understand they're temporarily in a no win situation. And behaving themselves by doing exactly what the cop tells them is in their best long term interest.

And as I mentioned before, they're intelligent enough to know to do their fighting in a courtroom with an attorney. Not like an idiot in the street with their fists....

Where they have zero chance against Tasers, 9 MM's, radios, spike strips, roadblocks, and helicopters with thermal imaging. Or a dozen other advantages the police have that street idiots with low I.Q.'s don't.
They will make an example out of you to ensure compliance by others.
Example: Trump. The mantra of We Don't Procecute Political Rivals was the main topic when Trump was elected. Then they went after everyone in his cabinet and private life. Why? If he gets elected again. Who's going to work with him? Why would they have their lives ruined by the system? Ask General Flynn and a host of others.
The 100 mph is an arrestable offense is retarded and nothing more than it's a "Hate Crime" bullshit conformity law.
None of what you wrote dispells that.
Why not make any over the posted limit an arrestable offense? If road engineers have used a formula to determine the safe speed on a road then anyone going over that is endangering others.
 
I think a lot of folks here do not understand that 'wrongful conviction" often has nothing to do with innocence.
 
.....Why not make any over the posted limit an arrestable offense?.....
Because there are varying degrees of violation. So there are varying degrees of punishment to match. As I said, people routinely drive 5 or 10 over. It's easy to do when you are preoccupied, or late to work. Especially today with modern, powerful, smooth driving vehicles.

By giving them a simple ticket, it makes them think more about their driving. And as a result, they'll be more compliant. But when someone blatantly says, "fuck you, I'll drive as fast as I damn well please", and goes 100+ MPH, the punishment is far more harsh. As it should be.

This also carries over to more serious types of crimes, like bank robbery. Get caught just passing a note to the teller saying, "give me the money", will get you far less time, than if you come in with guns out yelling, "Hit the deck, this is a robbery!" and jump over the counter.

Do that, and you have just committed an armed takeover, which is far more serious. That will add many more years to your sentence. Going furthur by taking any hostages, or else binding and / or gagging people, or locking customers or employees in the vault, and you've just committed armed kidnapping.

Which is also a Federal offense..... With still more years added to your time. It all equates to more crime equals more time.... Again, as it should.

I shouldn't have to be explaining any of this to you, because it's basic common sense most any law abiding citizen already knows.

What's happening to Trump has nothing to do with any of that, because it's all political dirty tricks. It has nothing to do with "crime", and most anyone with a brain knows it.
 
Get in the box car eh?




The court system can't fuck someone over...royally, then act surprised when they say ," you know what, imma take my chances before i trust the courts again, fuck you"



There were multiple contributers to his death...he was definitely a big part of it.....but it wasn't all on him.
It was 100% on him regardless of the 16 year argument. He decided to respond to the cop in the manner that he did. It is called emotional intelligence, something most people have no concept of. Did the cop escalate the situation? Yes but regardless the dead guy solely made his decision and paid the price.
 
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On the racetrack, you are correct. On the interstate where this guy was stopped with all the variables of slower moving traffic ahead and cars changing lanes - it’s reckless too fast.
There are even speed limits on racetracks. Both NASCAR, as well as Formula 1 have pit road speed limits that are strictly enforced for the safety of the other cars, and pit crew members on pit lane.

If you violate them, you are punished accordingly, depending on how much you are in violation. A small amount might get you a 5 second penalty added to your time. A higher degree of pit road speeding could net you a drive through penalty, which is far more costly.

And these speed limits work. Before them there were many pit crew members killed or injured by speeding, out of control race cars coming in, and leaving the pits. Today it is very rare.

Again, even on the racetrack there are varying degrees of punishment, depending on how bad the violation is..... Just like on the highway. Just as it should be.
 
With respect to speeding at 100 mph, I don’t like it and approve of the offender getting arrested.

I was almost killed in an auto accident and was within a fraction of an inch of dying.

So I don’t have any sympathy for some idiot who thinks he’s special and can break laws meant for safety.

Going a few miles over the speed limit doesn’t hurt my feelings. I’ve also been guilty of that and when I’m pulled over, I am polite and professional. My usual greeting to the cop is, “I guess I was going to fast.”

Then, sometimes, I’m let off with a warning. On the other hand, going 100 mph is the height of being an asshole.

I also know what it’s like to be the victim of a false accusation and sympathize with someone who has been falsely convicted.

With that said, it’s a travesty that the driver spent 16 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit but that didn’t give him the right to go that fast and be an asshole.

The officer has been criticized for his conduct. Mr. Asshole driver made it worse without his attitude. For the sake of argument, let’s say the officer was wrong with his approach.

The driver was warned several times to comply or get tased. He could have avoided escalation by simply complying.

An idiot pointed a 1911 at my head once. Despite the fact that I wanted to shove the pistol up his ass and pull the trigger, I didn’t.

My hands went up in the air and managed to talk the idiot out of being stupid. And I’m alive to tell about it.

I say that because, even if the cop was wrong, the driver is still very dead because he chose to confront the guy with a gun.
 
Because there are varying degrees of violation. So there are varying degrees of punishment to match. As I said, people routinely drive 5 or 10 over. It's easy to do when you are preoccupied, or late to work. Especially today with modern, powerful, smooth driving vehicles.

By giving them a simple ticket, it makes them think more about their driving. And as a result, they'll be more compliant. But when someone blatantly says, "fuck you, I'll drive as fast as I damn well please", and goes 100+ MPH, the punishment is far more harsh. As it should be.

This also carries over to more serious types of crimes, like bank robbery. Get caught just passing a note to the teller saying, "give me the money", will get you far less time, than if you come in with guns out yelling, "Hit the deck, this is a robbery!" and jump over the counter.

Do that, and you have just committed an armed takeover, which is far more serious. That will add many more years to your sentence. Going furthur by taking any hostages, or else binding and / or gagging people, or locking customers or employees in the vault, and you've just committed armed kidnapping.

Which is also a Federal offense..... With still more years added to your time. It all equates to more crime equals more time.... Again, as it should.

I shouldn't have to be explaining any of this to you, because it's basic common sense most any law abiding citizen already knows.

What's happening to Trump has nothing to do with any of that, because it's all political dirty tricks. It has nothing to do with "crime", and most anyone with a brain knows it.
So what you are saying is that people that drive over a speed limit leads to bank robbery and hostage taking? Geeze man, your cheese has slid off your cracker.
There's already varying penalties for excess speed. Most states already have a point system and monetary system for punishment. Those carry over to your insurance premium. They have absolutely no reason to make it arrestable offense if no one has been hurt or property damage.
You sound well indoctrinated.
 
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Are you saying that no one is hurt or property damage done by illegal immigrants?
Potentially? Just as potentially people are killed due to speeding. That act of speeding harms no one. The act of stepping over the border does the same.
 
With respect to speeding at 100 mph, I don’t like it and approve of the offender getting arrested.

I was almost killed in an auto accident and was within a fraction of an inch of dying.

So I don’t have any sympathy for some idiot who thinks he’s special and can break laws meant for safety.
This ^^^^^^^ right here is why there's so many bullshit laws in the book.
Please Mr. Government protect me.
Now you know why gas cans suck.
 
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They have absolutely no reason to make it arrestable offense if no one has been hurt or property damage.
Driving a 100+ should not be an arrestable offense?? 🙄 Does someone have to be severely injured or killed from someone driving at reckless speeds and only then you agree there should be a penalty?

It’s the statute on the books passed by the legislature. Why is this difficult for you? If you don’t like the law work to get it eliminated.

Are you being obtuse just for the sake of being argumentative? Or you just don’t like laws in general because you’re rebellious?
 
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Potentially? Just as potentially people are killed due to speeding. That act of speeding harms no one. The act of stepping over the border does the same.
Well that the end of this conversation. You are an idiot.
Ask your local government how much is spent on illegals for schooling. How many additional classes and teachers are needed for the illegals? How about medical costs for the illegals? You do know that they are not required to have the standard vaccinations while citizens children are? Identity theft? Good grief I could go on but it wouldn't matter.
And yes they need to be taken into custody to be deported. A speeder doesn't
 
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Well that the end of this conversation. You are an idiot.
Ask your local government how much is spent on illegals for schooling. How many additional classes and teachers are needed for the illegals? How about medical costs for the illegals? You do know that they are not required to have the standard vaccinations while citizens children are? Identity theft? Good grief I could go on but it wouldn't matter.
And yes they need to be taken into custody to be deported. A speeder doesn't
Thousands of people are killed and injured each year due to excessive speed. So yes, your argument is indeed over.
 
Does someone have to be severely injured or killed from someone driving at reckless speeds and only then you agree there should be a penalty?

It’s the statute on the books passed by the legislature. Why is this difficult for you? If you don’t like the law work to get it eliminated.

Are you being obtuse just for the sake of being argumentative? Or you just don’t like laws in general because you’re rebellious?
Good Lord. Please please go back and read what I have written. Then copy and paste where I said that there should NOT be any penalty.
The education of some of you is seriously lacking.
 
Nascar has limits on tire type, HP, body construction as well.....should police fine you because you are running Goodyear All seasons instead of Pirelli Summers?
No, of course not. If the body of a race car isn't constructed properly, or made from non compliant materials, it won't be allowed on the track. Tires are also regulated for size, and construction. Again for drivers safety, along with fairness of competition.

Horsepower is regulated on the NASCAR superspeedways for safety as well. It's why they went to restrictor plates to keep the speed under 200 MPH. Along with roof flaps and large rear spoilers to keep the cars from flying into the stands. Like Allison's almost did back in 1987.

It's also why the NHRA went to 1,000 foot racing for the Nitro burning cars. Again to regulate speed for safety, after Scott Kalitta was killed.

You can't race on any tire you damn well please. Because you are a danger to yourself and other drivers. Tires are somewhat regulated on the street, as well as the racetrack.

In states that see hazardous driving conditions like snow and ice, they can mandate chains, or you cannot proceed until you install them. No matter if it's on the street or the racetrack, these regulations are in place to protect the people involved.
 
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So if legislature passes a law that bans guns, and police go door to door, you handing yours over? .......or are you gonna "change the law"


No legislature is going to get rid of a law that generates them millions in revenue each year.
You like your, what if’s….

Are laws and by extension civilized society in general your issue? Would you rather have no laws or penalties and everyone just does what pops in their head, regardless of consequences to anyone else?

Four pages into this thread and you are clearly opposed by almost everyone replying to you…
 
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