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Sig P320 Paranoia Setting in.

There’s a pretty prolific poster here somewhere that brags about having a 1911 style safety installed on his striker fired pistol (maybe Glock, can’t remember, don’t care enough to search).

For my money, I shoot a 2011 in USPSA (not fast, but I’m there) and have a CZ nocturne (decocker) for carry.
May have been @akmike47 and someone else going back and forth on safety’s and 1911’s but could be wrong?
 
May have been @akmike47 and someone else going back and forth on safety’s and 1911’s but could be wrong?
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Safeties are for gays and single actions. It’s a training issue, safeties only help the retarded. A safety is a crutch for a lot of dumb people obviously accidents(negligence) can happen with any firearm but if I can’t train you not to touch the trigger, then I can’t train you to put the safety on reliably. No amount of safeties are going to stop an ND if you don’t use them properly and repeatedly. If you don’t put your booger hook(or anything else) near the bang switch it won’t fire…unless it’s a 320.

The best safety is a good holster, and I repeat a GOOD holster. If you can’t touch the trigger it won’t go off unless it’s a 320. Im not going to carry” idgaf, get a good hard sided holster pull it out when things go bump it’s ready to go. No chambering a round no fumbling with safeties just bang bang, “but muh leathercorrosion.

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Sometimes memes are true

Obviously use common sense and train with the safety on equipped firearms.
 
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Obviously you have not been counting how many people have shot themselves with Grocks.

Let's start with a classic.

Besides this one, there are also a few videos out there of Grocks "firing themselves".


Where’s the dislike button.


Everyone knows he pulled the trigger, only retards holding them claim “it just went off”
 
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Everyone knows he pulled the trigger, only retards holding them claim “it just went it”

Correct, I didn't say he didn't pull the trigger.

I have not seen sufficient evidence that the people who have been injured by Sigs didn't pull the trigger with a shirttail or craptastic holster.

There are videos of Grocks that allegedly fired without pulling the trigger. I posted one a couple times already.
 
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No argument there. Glocks don't have the hands-free feature, though.

I'm glad I don't know what it's like to be so susceptible to targeted marketing.

It's not like the facts aren't out there if you look for them.

Here's just one. There are more if you look hard enough. The difference with the GrOCk accounts is nobody with an agenda is pushing them to the top of the media charts.

I believe this gun spontaneously fired itself while holstered just as much as I believe other guns fire themselves while holstered.


3 arteries severed after gun ‘spontaneously discharges’ on Winnipeg police officer​


An officer applied a tourniquet to his own leg after his holstered gun spontaneously discharged

The gun that discharged was a Glock Model 35

After it happened they all "inspected their firearms" and went back to work. No media blitz.
 
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Safeties are for gays and single actions. It’s a training issue, safeties only help the retarded. A safety is a crutch for a lot of dumb people obviously accidents(negligence) can happen with any firearm but if I can’t train you not to touch the trigger, then I can’t train you to put the safety on reliably. No amount of safeties is going to stop an ND if you don’t use them properly and repeatedly. If you don’t put your booger hook(or anything else) near the bang switch it won’t fire…unless it’s a 320.

The best safety is a good holster, and I repeat a GOOD holster. If you can’t touch the trigger it won’t go off unless it’s a 320

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Sometimes memes are true

Obviously use common sense and train with the safety on equipped firearms.
Many NDs are holstering and unholstering. Yes, not an issue for most of us. It just is for genpop, and the careless. Manual safeties prevent glockleg. Unless someone is comfortable and knows what they’re doing it’s better to have one than not. Those of us who grew up with them they’re no big deal. If you grew up with only plastic fantastic striker pistols I can see why you would think them unnecessary, but for most people they can prevent NDs, and that’s all there is to it.

Mas Ayoob teaches people to shoot through panic rather than learning to fight panic, remain calm, and breathe. Why, because it’s not a six week combat course. For the love of God!
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He teaches a seminar and done, and that’s the most effective way to teach self defense with a pistol in a single seminar to people who aren’t going to train and practice. Shit, some people who have work guns barely practice.

They don’t need to learn to be gunfighters. They need to learn the basics and to shoot through panic, because guess what? They’re gona panic.
 
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Many NDs are holstering and unholstering. Yes, not an issue for most of us. It just is for genpop, and the careless. Manual safeties prevent glockleg. Unless someone is comfortable and knows what they’re doing it’s better to have one than not. Those of us who grew up with them they’re no big deal. If you grew up with only plastic fantastic striker pistols I can see why you would think them unnecessary, but for most people they can prevent NDs, and that’s all there is to it.

Mas Ayoob teaches people to shoot through panic rather than learning to fight panic, remain calm, and breathe. Why, because it’s not a six week combat course. For the love of God!
chris-farley-shout.gif

He teaches a seminar and done, and that’s the most effective way to teach self defense with a pistol in a single seminar to people who aren’t going to train and practice. Shit, some people who have work guns barely practice.

They don’t need to learn to be gunfighters. They need to learn the basics and to shoot through panic, because guess what? They’re gona panic.
No one said anything about being gun fighters, it’s basic firearms safety. Too stupid to remember not to touch the trigger, but they are magically smart enough to remember the safety.

A safety stopping an ND doesn’t make for a safe shooter, they are still retarded. Then comes the fact they have to remember to click it to fire, half the tards can’t do that on the range let alone defending themselves.

ND holstering/upholstering are still a training issue not a manual safety issue. Again, the trigger has to be touched to actuate. Stupid is stupid regardless of safeties.
 
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For people here that carry an Sig P320 AIWB do y’all unholster the pistol inside a vehicle?

Reason I ask is if Sig and others believe the UD is caused by a poor fitting holster causing pressure etc, what would happen if you are driving and get in an accident with a hard impact that tightens the seat belt causing pressure on the 320 in your appendix area?

I’m sure that impact and sudden tightening of the seat belt could be enough pressure to cause an issue but who knows for certain?
 
For people here that carry an Sig P320 AIWB do y’all unholster the pistol inside a vehicle?

Reason I ask is if Sig and others believe the UD is caused by a poor fitting holster causing pressure etc, what would happen if you are driving and get in an accident with a hard impact that tightens the seat belt causing pressure on the 320 in your appendix area?

I’m sure that impact and sudden tightening of the seat belt could be enough pressure to cause an issue but who knows for certain?
“Congratulation’s, ma’am”
 
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For people here that carry an Sig P320 AIWB do y’all unholster the pistol inside a vehicle?

Reason I ask is if Sig and others believe the UD is caused by a poor fitting holster causing pressure etc, what would happen if you are driving and get in an accident with a hard impact that tightens the seat belt causing pressure on the 320 in your appendix area?

I’m sure that impact and sudden tightening of the seat belt could be enough pressure to cause an issue but who knows for certain?
It would be time to change pronouns
 
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This is my favorite "holster" and I carry it bubba style under an untucked shirt.

My adrenaline spikes a little almost every time I holster my gun in it.

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So years ago I am out at Sea, Beretta 92 days, CG comes rolling up in their RIB, boards, ask me if I have arms onboard, affirmative, condition one Colt in a jackass holster in the sea bag, they want it, I say take the whole bag, oh no, we want the gun, so they remove it, all the while some pimple faced boy has a M16 trained on me, they do their inspection, I pass, hands my Colt back, holster hammer safety unsnapped, thumb safety off, live one still in the chamber - WTH. Like your Government Model. I have three striker fired without thumb safeties, SAXD service, SAXD9sc and M&P 9 mod 1.0 service. I like the quote from Quigley " said I did not have any use for one but did not say I did not I did not know how to use it." Jeff Cooper would be proud, wonder what he would say about plastic and half-cock for most strikers and full-cock on the Sigs, I hope Sig is forced to P365 their P320.
 
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wonder what he would say about plastic and half-cock for most strikers

I think he would not be impressed but I might be surprised. From what little I've read on him he was one of the most grounded individuals in the business.

I handled one of the newer "larger" framed P365s recently, I'm tempted to replace the P320 with one. I tried the metal framed version and didn't like it. The neck is too small and digs in to the web of of my hand sharply. For my baby soft hands the polymer frames soak up a little of the recoil making it more comfortable to fire.
 
Correct, I didn't say he didn't pull the trigger.

I have not seen sufficient evidence that the people who have been injured by Sigs didn't pull the trigger with a shirttail or craptastic holster.

There are videos of Grocks that allegedly fired without pulling the trigger. I posted one a couple times already.
He pulled the trigger…
 
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Si.

I wouldn't contest the drop test failure of the P320 under the right conditions.

I don't believe it will fire EVERY time it's dropped and I also believe it can pass a drop test that is not vigorous enough.

There's another video out there somewhere from several years ago of a guy beating the hell out of several guns with a hammer and IIRC the P320 was the only one that fired when beat with a hammer but it didn't fire on every hammer blow.