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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MK12 MOD0 SPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hey sorry to do this but i got asked to work saturday so I'm not gonna be there at the crack of dawn with you guys. but good news is the job site i have to go to isn't to far from the am/pm. how long do you think you guys will be there? id still like to make it out there even if its later. </div></div>

People dropping like flies around here lol. Probably be there till around 2-3pm depending on weather.
 
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Currently I have attending...

Broker
AD1
attherange
Tacreloader25
Captnmo
Market Garden

Is there anyone else that would like to join up with us on Saturday?
 
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We still meeting up in Sedro Woolley?
 
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ok I'm hoping to escape by 11 or so and then meet up with you guys to get some shooting in. i have captnmo's number but anyone else wanna give me a backup contact number just incase cell service is crap out there and since i don't know where I'm going i might need some directions. thanks guys. work sucks.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Market Garden</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We still meeting up in Sedro Woolley? </div></div>

Yup...
 
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Looks like I don't have to work, so I might run out there if it's not raining. Spent all day out in it today. Soaked through 2 rain coats. Fabulous weather.
 
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Do I need to get a discover pass for this area?
 
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Technically yes. But I've only seen 3 Leo up there in all the yrs I've been shooting there.
 
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FYI. I just checked 2 weather forecasts, & both were calling for rain 80-90% tomorrow. They say about 1/4".
 
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If you have a current hunting or fishing liscense and have that little yellow card you hang in your window (vehicle use permit), then you don't need a stupid discover pass. Also, if you are disabled vet and have a WA disabled camping card or a national golden access card, then you also don't need a discover pass. All that extra money we pay for gas, cigarettes, liquor etc .... should be paying for our parks. Makes you wonder where the money goes .... and the money they are making on the discover passes.

Hope that helps someone to NOT spend money on that stupid card ..... LOL.
 
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thanx Mutt, it helps a lot.

I am bringing a friend along, beretta682 and you can add him to the list.

Any idea what the distances are to the target(s)roughly?
 
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They vary. In the immediate area they go between 0-300, and then across the way it goes I believe between 700-900+. There is one spot farther back down the road which goes out to 1245-1250.
 
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Mutt,
If you have a state disabled parking tag that hangs on your mirror, does that waive the need for a parking pass?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They vary. In the immediate area they go between 0-300, and then across the way it goes I believe between 700-900+. There is one spot farther back down the road which goes out to 1245-1250. </div></div>

That's perfect, I want to test my 204 ruger at longer range than 200 so this will work just fine.
Thanx Broker.
 
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Attherange
I used to shoot in a 600 yard league with a fellow who used a Volquartsen built 204 Ruger. About a third of his rounds went transonic about 10 yards before the 600 yard line and would nose dive into the berm that was located in front of the targets. Another third didn't have a supersonic crack, but still went through the target. The last third had the super sonic crack and went through the target. So, from that I gather than most 204 Rugers with factory ammo (what he was using) die right around 600 yards.
 
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Unknown,

Good to know, I am bringing a couple 32 gr and 40 gr reloads, according to their respective speed, they should stay supersonic past 770yds but the proof is in the pudding, so i hope they'll go ding at around 600yds.
if they do, I will shoot an Fclass match with it just for giggles.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Muttt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you have a current hunting or fishing liscense and have that little yellow card you hang in your window (vehicle use permit), then you don't need a stupid discover pass. Also, if you are disabled vet and have a WA disabled camping card or a national golden access card, then you also don't need a discover pass. All that extra money we pay for gas, cigarettes, liquor etc .... should be paying for our parks. Makes you wonder where the money goes .... and the money they are making on the discover passes.

Hope that helps someone to NOT spend money on that stupid card ..... LOL. </div></div>
From what I have been able to find out the WDFW permit you get with your hunting license is only good for WDFW managed properties. The Discover Pass is from DNR. This thing is a scam of the highest order. 1st it's not a parking permit. You need one to simply drive on any DNR managed road. And I challenge you to figure out all the roads that are managed by DNR in this state. All of them don't have any signs on them. This also applies to USFS roads too as state DNR maintains them. And the best part is 85% of the funds go to the state parks, & rec. So all the tree-huggers don't have to pay to park, hike, & mountain bike in the state parks. I have already sent out e mails, & called my reps, & suggest you all do the same. Maybe we can get this obamanation canned.
 
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Just finished loading some ammo. I'll see you guys in Sedro Woolley tomorrow at 8. I'll be in a silver Subaru Legacy.
 
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If it's not pouring rain I'll meet you guys up there around 10:00ish. Otherwise have fun, & remember to put my steel back in its hiding places.
 
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I'll be at the Sedro Woolley at 8:00am in a 98 burgundy Nissan Pathfinder. The address is below for everyone. If anyone wants my cell number feel free to pm me...

830 Moore St
Sedro Woolley, WA 98284
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bigwheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's not pouring rain I'll meet you guys up there around 10:00ish. Otherwise have fun, & remember to put my steel back in its hiding places. </div></div>

Will do BW, but I hope you can make it out...
 
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Upper Nisqually just contacted me this morning, and gave me the go ahead to start up a practical rifle group out there. They are doing this on a tentative basis, and I'm fine for that...in fact, I'm damned grateful that they are allowing something this new to start up.

So far, I have agreed to do an orientation for 9 people on Saturday, 21 April. The club understandably wants to see how something like this would run so I agree to start out with matches of 10 people, (and I'm one of them). This will certainly not be an activity where you can learn how to do movement and shoot with your rifle...If you haven't done position shooting, in odd places, with some movement, this isn't the activity for you. People who have attended team send it's matches know what we will be doing.

For those interested, please let me know so I can reserve a spot for you. Remember there will only be 9 people starting out on this.

We need to supply our own steel, and timers. So if you have steel or timers I would be very keen to hear from you. Let me know if you are interested.

SHOOTERS RETAIN OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION OF THEIR STEEL AND TIMERS BETWEEN MATCHES.
 
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Great time today guys! Thanks to Broker for setting this up today. First time for me getting off the 100 and 200 yard lines. Now I'm REALLY hooked!
 
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Yeah, thanks Broker! It was great meeting all of you guys. Maybe next time we will have some luck and avoid rain.
 
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Thanks Broker. Good times,moist but good. Nice to meet some other shooters as well.Unknown,sounds like fun sign me up.
 
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all in all it was a great day, yes it rained, snowed and fog came up but it was still better than going to work.it was a pleasure meeting you all and to shoot some cool suppressed stuff too
Broker, thanx a lot for organizing and for pete sake practice some pistol shooting until next time out bud
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Big wheel it was great to meet you and for letting us take a few shot at your steel, the 338 edge did't even make a dent at 900+ yards.
later guys got to dry a few thing before supper.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So far, I have agreed to do an orientation for 9 people on Saturday, 21 April. </div></div>

Damn... I'm already signed up and paid to do the match April 21-22 in Ellensburg.


Had a great time today and I'm going to try and set-up another get together soon maybe a little closer to home here. Thanks to everyone that came out.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mutt,
If you have a state disabled parking tag that hangs on your mirror, does that waive the need for a parking pass? </div></div>


NO ..... I don't think so anyway.







By the way .......

I have a take off Houge overmold stock from my Remington 700 SA, SPS tactical. I'm looking to put a similar stock onto my 7mm mag and was wondering if anyone has a take off synthetic LA stock laying around they'd be interested in trading for my SA stock ...... or looking to sell. Let me know.

 
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I sorta thought that there might be a conflict with that match, but I gotta take what Upper Nisqually offered me as the range days to reserve are filling up really fast.

As I'm trying to get this program started out there, I want to take whatever range days are offered until I have my "foot in the door" a little better. I think once the board members see that we are not a bunch of mercenary, or militia wanna be people, they will look at our endeavor much more favorably.

The 21st is just the orientation where the board can watch how we behave, and see that we are safe, and just regular guys looking to have some fun out shooting. After that, we will get a day to schedule our first trial match, and go from there. I plan to offer the orientation regularly in order to bring more people into this type of shooting. However, as most of you know, these types of matches are not the place for people to begin learning how to shoot. It is a more "advanced" activity, but it isn't hard to learn.

The people at Upper Nisqually allow the 50 caliber guns there, so at least it appears that they have an open mind about some things that the general public might be wary of. So I don't foresee any issue with the type of shooting we do.

I contacted Jake (JCVibby) and changed part of my order for steel. I had ordered a couple of head targets, but for public relations purposes, I changed the order to either 6 inch circles, or 6x9 ovals. All part of the way we present ourselves so we have a better chance at a positive reception.

From the shooters I have met around here so far, I don't foresee any problem from the board with the way shooters comport themselves around observers.

Hopefully, we will get more dates, and more participation as time goes on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So far, I have agreed to do an orientation for 9 people on Saturday, 21 April. </div></div>

Damn... I'm already signed up and paid to do the match April 21-22 in Ellensburg.


Had a great time today and I'm going to try and set-up another get together soon maybe a little closer to home here. Thanks to everyone that came out.
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if you want out of the match let me know I have guys that will be happy to fill your spot, I have zero issues with guys scratching my match to go to the orientation. Just give me a heads up so I can fill your spots.
 
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Hello,

I'm currently deployed but will be returning soon. I'd like to link up with some of you in the Kitsap area when I get back. In the meantime, I'll follow this thread. Thanks!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hemigtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hello,

I'm currently deployed but will be returning soon. I'd like to link up with some of you in the Kitsap area when I get back. In the meantime, I'll follow this thread. Thanks! </div></div>

Welcome! When you get back let us know...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TeamSendIt!!!</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So far, I have agreed to do an orientation for 9 people on Saturday, 21 April. </div></div>

Damn... I'm already signed up and paid to do the match April 21-22 in Ellensburg.


Had a great time today and I'm going to try and set-up another get together soon maybe a little closer to home here. Thanks to everyone that came out.
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if you want out of the match let me know I have guys that will be happy to fill your spot, I have zero issues with guys scratching my match to go to the orientation. Just give me a heads up so I can fill your spots. </div></div>

No I'm good TSI. I've been waiting on your match since inception and need to redeem myself after the equipment fiasco at your last match lol...
 
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Looks like we should have waited 'till today to shoot. Oh well. Looks like there might be another window next weekend.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a more "advanced" activity, but it isn't hard to learn.</div></div>

Unknown, I'd be interested in coming along on one of these to watch and learn. Is this more like service rifle competitions doing prone, sitting, kneeling, etc.? Probably can't make it the 21st but will keep my ear to the ground.
 
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Capnmo,
Practical rifle has you using field type positions like you mention, but from cover, some movement, but it is NOT a foot race. I have a philosophical belief that shooting matches should be primarily shooting, not a match with some shooting and lots of running, weight lifting or other non shooting activities. Sure, there may be some things that are unusual, but only things that a hunter or person with a rifle would encounter.

Carrying your rifle in one hand, and a lunch box in the other hand, then going to kneeling position behind a simulated log 5 yards from the start position would not be unusual. Often there are stages that require shots from all four or five of the standard positions (offhand, kneeling, seated, prone, possibly rice paddy prone).

There are two primary groups of rifles, manual, and semi auto. Within those classes, there are iron sights and optics. Because almost all the targets are steel, there is no major or minor power...a hit is a hit. But the scoring system greatly favors accuracy over time.

Someone with a score of 20 points in 60 seconds will always beat someone with a score of 19 points in 10 seconds. The theory is that hitting is primary...all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you miss.
 
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I need to chrono some loads and re-zero tomorrow. I'm debating whether I really want to deal with the Poulsbo Sportsman's Club or if I want to drive clear out to Tacoma or farther south. Not having any other choices up here sucks...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Capnmo,
Practical rifle has you using field type positions like you mention, but from cover, some movement, but it is NOT a foot race. I have a philosophical belief that shooting matches should be primarily shooting, not a match with some shooting and lots of running, weight lifting or other non shooting activities. Sure, there may be some things that are unusual, but only things that a hunter or person with a rifle would encounter.

Carrying your rifle in one hand, and a lunch box in the other hand, then going to kneeling position behind a simulated log 5 yards from the start position would not be unusual. Often there are stages that require shots from all four or five of the standard positions (offhand, kneeling, seated, prone, possibly rice paddy prone).

There are two primary groups of rifles, manual, and semi auto. Within those classes, there are iron sights and optics. Because almost all the targets are steel, there is no major or minor power...a hit is a hit. But the scoring system greatly favors accuracy over time.

Someone with a score of 20 points in 60 seconds will always beat someone with a score of 19 points in 10 seconds. The theory is that hitting is primary...all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you miss. </div></div>

I find it hard to disagree with anything in this whole post.
 
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attherange,
I'm glad to hear that someone other than myself doesn't think I'm nuts.

Broker,
You can use my chrono if you want...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Capnmo,
Practical rifle has you using field type positions like you mention, but from cover, some movement, but it is NOT a foot race. I have a philosophical belief that shooting matches should be primarily shooting, not a match with some shooting and lots of running, weight lifting or other non shooting activities. Sure, there may be some things that are unusual, but only things that a hunter or person with a rifle would encounter.

Carrying your rifle in one hand, and a lunch box in the other hand, then going to kneeling position behind a simulated log 5 yards from the start position would not be unusual. Often there are stages that require shots from all four or five of the standard positions (offhand, kneeling, seated, prone, possibly rice paddy prone).

There are two primary groups of rifles, manual, and semi auto. Within those classes, there are iron sights and optics. Because almost all the targets are steel, there is no major or minor power...a hit is a hit. But the scoring system greatly favors accuracy over time.

Someone with a score of 20 points in 60 seconds will always beat someone with a score of 19 points in 10 seconds. The theory is that hitting is primary...all the speed in the world doesn't matter when you miss. </div></div>

So kinda like a military range qual but with a little more practicality thrown in. Sounds like a good time to me....of course any day shooting is better than most anything else.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">attherange,
Broker,
You can use my chrono if you want... </div></div>

I picked up a Chrony Beta Master off of someone here on the hide awhile back, but thank you.
 
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Unknown,

I've never shot one of these before. But, I'd be interested in trying it ..... if you have open spots. I've shot enough military and LE courses over the years that I probably wouldn't make too much of an ass of myself .... LOL. I could probably help out if you need some bodies for that too ..... either way, let me know.
 
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hey thanks again Unknown. had a great time and would like to do it again sometime.

again thanks for the invite on saturday but work went late and i didn't get a chance to escape. I'd like to make it out to the spot sometime with you guys so ill keep an eye out in here. thanks again for the invite.
 
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Hey all, not sure if anyone saw this (didn't see links to it in the thread) but Sultan is looking to build an outdoor range for archery, trap/skeet, and rifles: Monroe Monitor article. Not sure it's closer to anyone than the current ranges, or if it'll be long enough for precision work, but interesting nonetheless.

Also, speaking of ranges, Wintermute and I were talking about size of land parcels required, and I tracked down some very interesting reading (in case anyone wanted to build a tank/grenade range to spec, along with a >1000m range): Range construction and maintenance

ArjunaS
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just got back from benchmark barrels in Arlington. Some guys showed up while I was there with a bunch of scope rings and benchmark bought a bunch of them, they are called B A Gear and seem really well made, I bought a set of 30MM low for my .260,
the guys at benchmark only carry those now as they said they were the best rings they ever saw.
Anybody ever heard of those rings, they weren't cheap?? </div></div>

I just got a sample of a set of BA Gear 30MM lows rings from Killer Innovations. I haven't gotten a chance to inspect them fully (ie use micrometers on them), but I see some good and bad with them.

<span style="text-decoration: underline">The Good</span>:
They look and feel solid.
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I like the index key pins that lock in the upper and lower rings together. The edges look smooth. Reason why is that they machine the parts together. Each half of the ring is uniquely machine to another half so you can't necessarily mix and match. Hence they engrave a index to determine who goes with who. Another interesting thing I was told by the manufacturer is that the rings are milled together so the hole is perfect, then they shave a little of the flat surface of one of the halves to allow more ability to clamp down since not all scope circumferences are built equal.
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The upper and lower rings are index labeled, hence a match set.
The front & rear rings are also index labeled.
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The mounting of the rings to the rail uses a 1/4 allen wrench to tighten the mount. I'm not sure if I like it since it looks like it could strip due to the way they designed it with multiple edges rather than a standard 6 side hex. But with the amount of torque needed to mount on a rail, it probably wouldn't be a issue.
*** Talked to the manufacturer and they state that this was the only type of nut they could find at a reasonable price range. They mention that they tested it and it holds up.
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<span style="text-decoration: underline">The Bad</span>:
The ring slot that goes into the rail can be twisted. This sample was already twisted, hence it's not a flush surface when contacting the rail.
*** Talked with the company and they recognized this problem and is currently trying to correct it.
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Uses a milled screw to key into the rail. I much prefer the method Seekins uses which is a milled key which would allow flush contact to the rail.
*** Talked to manufacturer and he mention that this shouldn't be a issue. I have no scientific proof if this would be a issue. Groping for straws all I can say is if the rotation of the cross bolt is fixed in it's alignment during the course of fire and shift the scope forward. I still prefer a flush contact to the rail though.
Also talking with them more, they believe that the clamping of a cross bolt is stronger than something like Seekin's using two screws. Also a added benefit is that if you do strip the the threads, you can replace the cross bolt, while Seekin's you have to replace the rings.
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It costs more than Seekins, but less than Badger rings at a price of $149.

TBD:
Test it mounting on AR-15 rails. Apparently I might not be torquing it down hard enough.. and that would be true. If this is true, then clamping nut would have a uneven pressure distribution, ie more pressure towards the ring side, and bottom of the clamp side would be pushed in towards the center. How drastic that would be I wouldn't know at the moment.

...Okay this went a lot long than I expected.. guess it probably deserves it's own thread..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="text-decoration: underline">The Bad</span>:
The mounting of the rings to the rail can only hand tighten. Also there is no option to use a torque wrench since it can only be screwed on my your fingers. Hence no constancy when removing and reinstall the scope.
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I'm fairly certain they're designed to use a hex wrench for tightening.
 
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Aadland Rings are still cheaper than those BA gaer ones, and he is in Everett. I pick mine up straight from him...