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[IronMaidenFan]

Grab a beer, sit back and enjoy.

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[no1special]

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i could feel the testosterome pouring off the screen. one speeder dangerous. chased by one police car danger to the general public increases. when multiple police cars involved, when does the increased risk of "the chase" become more of a danger then the original offense? how many innocents are caught up in events like this? is there a time to pull back and "cool off?" "tightrope walking!" if an innocent bystander is hurt, liability lawyers lick their chops.

 

[eracer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IronMaidenFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Grab a beer, sit back and enjoy.</div></div>

I did. Got pulled over for drinking and driving, and for watching a video while operating a motor vehicle.

Thanks, buddy...

 

[petesp]

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Just does not look like a good idea.

 

[Numb_Skull]

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Weak performance from those police's. Smash the mother fucker.

 

[NorthernBorn]

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They had him dead to rights twice in that video. Once in the parking lot (Their fault) and then when he was boxed in at the intersection. Too bad those people moved out of the way and opened it up for him.

 

[-Nick-]

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Like every other idiot, they stayed on the main road almost the entire time. You're driving a fucking NSX... learn to corner and quit using your pedal brakes so they see your brake lights... lol. He/she is fucked either way at the point they get close enough to see the licence plate and who's driving. All they did was delay the inevitable. Why didn't LE put a little bumper to fender action in there and actualy box him at the light or the parking lot?

 

[The Mechanic]

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NSX are fun cars but they were WAY overpriced for what they drove like. Huge understeer. Kind of like a corvair.

 

[Jhnmdahl]

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Can't be a ton of white NSXes in any city. If there are two or three, find out which one isn't at home in the garage, and pay the other guy a visit.

 

[Twitch2120]

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not much in the way of power either. 300hp v6 IIRC. enough to outrun the cops though.

 

[MLC]

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They must've gotten that guys tags.
Why not just pull back and meet him at his house instead taking the risk?

 

[-Nick-]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitch2120</div><div class="ubbcode-body">not much in the way of power either. 300hp v6 IIRC. enough to outrun the cops though. </div></div>

That depends on what he's running under the hood ie how much boost and then you have to take the weight of the car into account. 300hp goes a lot farther in a 2900+lb car as opposed to a 3200+lb car. It's also mid-engine rear wheel drive...

 

[softcock]

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Takes more than just HP & ballsy driving skills . He successfully eluded because he had every luck opportunity fall into place in his favor . When the throttle went down there is no turning back then .
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[slowkota]

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Fucker just vanished into thin air!

 

[cmh2007]

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there is a reason honda nicknamed that car a ferrari killer on a budget

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there is a reason Honda nicknamed that car a Ferrari killer on a budget</div></div>
That car was NOT a Ferrari killer. Other than maybe a 308GTS or GTB any modern Ferrari of that day and age or older would flat out walk away from it whether that was straight line, turns, braking acceleration etc.

Having driven just about all of the above a typical 348 I use to work on was truly light weight with about 300 horsepower and it had a nice PMI, would track like it was on rails and had the feel of something with 200 more horsepower. Oh and the sound that engine made when it started making power was like a violent lullaby, just beautiful rrrRRRHHHGGGGaGaGaa.

The only thing that was unique was a euro sports car profile and a larger use of aluminum especially on suspension parts. Other than that it was a handful to drive any where near what its limitations should have been. It was made mostly for Honda fanboys.

 

[IronMaidenFan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That car was NOT a Ferrari killer.</div></div>

You are truly clueless!

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[softcock]

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But the track Vid. runs a NSX-R & not the production run sold retail here in the States .
<span style="text-decoration: underline">
General description of Honda R / NSX</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">Honda produced a very <span style="font-weight: bold">limited number of NSX Type R in 1992 for Japan</span>. Major changes include a more aggressive suspension and an extensive weight reduction to 1230 kg from the normal NSX weight of 1350 kg. The NSX Type R was track oriented and, to reduce weight, lacked sound deadening, audio, electric windows and air conditioning. The NSX type R's role was fulfilled by the NSX type S Zero in 1997.

A second iteration of the Type R, dubbed NSX-R, was released in <span style="font-weight: bold">2002, again exclusively in Japa</span>n. The NSX-R had a more aggressive rear spoiler and hood vent, along with various refinements to reduce weight to 1270 kg. Under the body, panels and air fences in the front, along with a small rear diffuser, produced balanced downforce. These subtle changes along with its renowned handling kept the NSX-R in competition on the track against considerably higher-powered cars.</span>
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[Sean the Nailer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IronMaidenFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That car was NOT a Ferrari killer.</div></div>
You are truly clueless!</div></div>
And with THAT statement, you take a massive step down.

 

[IronMaidenFan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the track Vid. runs a NSX-R & not the production run sold retail here in the States .
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They both have the same horsepower and brakes. The R doesn't have A/C to save weight and revalved shocks. A stock NSX would have fared just as well on the track.

The point of the video though was to point out that the Ferrari came in last. Even the 4 door grocery getter BMW kicked it's ass.

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IronMaidenFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That car was NOT a Ferrari killer.</div></div>
You are truly clueless!</div></div>
And with THAT statement, you take a massive step down.</div></div>
Not really worried. Like I said I have driven them in stock form. None of them had aftermarket equipment they were all stock. No fancy race tires, no special Japan or Euro only models. Just regular production vehicles that you would purchase from local dealers here in San Diego. Don't get me wrong I have driven many "gray market" vehicles also but I don't like to compare Camaro to Mustang if the Camaro has a huffer and nitrous. I also don't youtube shop. IMHO that is what most of us "Old Timers" call bench racers.

 

[cmh2007]

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I was only saying what honda said about the car...i have never driven one, nor do i proclaim to know what they drive like

 

[softcock]

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I don't know if I believe everything I see on the internet ? . that Whole 4-lap Super battle looks a little fishy .
You got all Japanese drivers hired by Honda . on the Japanese built Motegi Circuit built by Honda . Japanese drivers hired by Honda & all driving Honda main competition that is selling against the Honda Japanese NXS .
& the Honda filmed & edited video comes out on top with there marketed product winning ???
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[HeathenRifleman]

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I guess the driver was a swedish guy from stockholm!?! lol

 

[IronMaidenFan]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: softcock</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You got all Japanese drivers hired by Honda . on the Japanese built Motegi Circuit built by Honda . Japanese drivers hired by Honda & all driving Honda main competition that is selling against the Honda Japanese NXS .
& the Honda filmed & edited video comes out on top with there marketed product winning ???
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Yes Honda does own the Twin Ring Motegi track but that is the only fact that you got right.

The video is from Best Motoring who produced high performance car videos in Japan from 1995 until 2001. Honda had nothing to do with hiring the drivers. They are all Super GT drivers. Japan's version of NASCAR.

This video was produced in 2005 which was the last year the NSX was built. It clearly isn't an "inside job" to sell the NSX.

 

[Switchblade]

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The NSX was toying with them the entire time. He could have flat disappeared whenever he wanted. My bet is he was probably not a resident of that city or county which would make the search throughout the few surrounding counties

 

[GreyShirts]

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I'm in total agreeance, that dude was playing them like a dog chasing a cat. I thought the cops did a good job as far as clearing intersections, and not out driving their abilities. Also, ramming was not an option, but stop sticks would have been great(ie-the parking lot, and when they were boxed in with traffic). Our department views ramming as lethal force, they still don't understand TVI(tactical vehicle intervention) is a good thing in the right circumstances. As far as the NSX goes, yes they are fast, its called power/weight ratio and pretty good suspension. Plus if those cops were in Crown Vics....thats like a fat lady on a moped. Whole lotta noise, but no go. We have strict pursuit policies, and that would have been terminated. I miss a good car chase, but that was fun to watch.

 

[The Mechanic]

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Just to clarify the two NSX's that I have driven were mid 90's vehicles. If memory serves me they were a 94 and a 96. The Ferrari 348 was I am pretty sure a 95 because it was the last year but had an OBDII connector for my scan tool. There were a lot of 95's that were transitioning to OBDII and were basically OBDII without the loaded software.

 

[Unknown]

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Many agencies have decided that with radios, and their ability to track the perp down once they get the plate, that the trade off of potential liability that a chase causes doesn't outweigh the need to catch 'em right away.

But, human nature being what it is people don't like to give up and walk away in hopes of catching the bad guy later. As a result, many officers lobby very strongly against giving up on the high speed chases. They (like most of us) just don't like the idea of letting the bad guy win, even temporarily.

Arguments for chases:
1. they might get away (we might not catch 'em later)
2. they might destroy evidence in the car
3. they might commit another crime before we catch 'em
4. don't want to teach people that they can run from the police

Arguments against chases
1. dramatic rise in potential for a collision
2. police can use the plate, and other evidence to catch 'em later
3. the possibility of loosing evidence outweighs the possibility of injury or
death to innocent bystanders if a chase is pursued
4. potential damage to police vehicles, other property, and hence budgets is
lowered or eliminated if chases are avoided

As always, there are two sides to every story. I see both sides of the argument, but think I come down on the side of avoiding chases. Although I will admit that many officers I have spoken with find the adrenaline and success of the chase (hunt) to be one of the rewards of chases. Other officers say that they are really dislike the chases because of the possibility of severe injury or death...high speed collisions terrify them.

 

[E. Bryant]

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I'm rather curious to see how performance on a road course correlates to the suitability of a vehicle for high-speed evasion from the police. I don't imagine this test being performed by the lame US magazines any time soon, although perhaps we'll see it on Top Gear UK

Unfortunately, many of the virtues of the NSX (as well as most other supercars) are not going to work in one's advantage during a police chase. In the purely hypothetical situation that I am choosing a vehicle with which to run from the cops, I want something with some mass, a lot of ground clearance, forgiving handling characteristics, and a reasonable amount of chassis robustness. Oh, and maybe a really good in-dash mapping GPS

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eric Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm rather curious to see how performance on a road course correlates to the suitability of a vehicle for high-speed evasion from the police. I don't imagine this test being performed by the lame US magazines any time soon, although perhaps we'll see it on Top Gear UK

Unfortunately, many of the virtues of the NSX (as well as most other supercars) are not going to work in one's advantage during a police chase. In the purely hypothetical situation that I am choosing a vehicle with which to run from the cops, I want something with some mass, a lot of ground clearance, forgiving handling characteristics, and a reasonable amount of chassis robustness. Oh, and maybe a really good in-dash mapping GPS

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Best is a superbike with an experienced driver.

 

[E. Bryant]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best is a superbike with an experienced driver. </div></div>

Hypothetically, had I ever run from the police on a motorcycle during my younger and far less wiser years, I'd probably want something like a healthy dual-sport. Such activities almost always involved ducking down some sort of unpaved road... hypothetically

It didn't take long to figure out that racetracks were far more entertaining venues.

 

[softcock]

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You want one or the other . just raw power or the ability to go off-road & leave .
( Either Way ) You will have to leave chasers visual ID. & before making vehicle ID on you also . & then NOT pile yourself-UP in the process .
I did it 2 times & 2-times is not making a habit . & I wont be do it again . on superbike & car . The bike daylight & the car @ night . luck was in my side is all I can say for getting away with it .

Bikes are frigging fast but you DON'T have the contact patch on road surface like 4-tires do .
for extreme example: over here @ PIR . The superbikes do a Lap time in the 1-minute & ten-seconds +time . That is a good average ( like 1 min. 12 seconds )
One time (& only time) the GTP factory cars came in & they threw-in one extra course corner on the track also . Those BadAsses did a lap average less than 1 minute with the extra corner . was just a jaw-dropping visual experience .
So it does not matter how much raw power you got with weight ratio . You need Max. contact patch on road plus the suspension to help hold it there.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Even though the LE in Vid. looked to less aggressive than they could have been .
It's probably higher Success odds for arrest plus safety to just lay back with LE keep visual & keep pressure on the driver let the runner pile himself-up .
Odds are high. Runner will overcompensate & drive way over his skill level & it will be all over.
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[Switchblade]

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Even with radios, a driver/rider can evade a LEO with Speed/Tactics. Be faster and smootehr than the LEO and Speed can win. Tactical evasion(knowing the area/roads) is far easier than speed evasion, however, any vehicle that can run faster than 150, or 130 and be quick about getting there can outrun/outmanuever, providing the area is known.
An 'individual on a black motorcycle' was speeding up a freeway in NY, the individual evaded the Staties by pulling in front of trucks and moving over to the right side of them, then leaving the freeway on an offramp to a back road. Along the back road, another Statie saw the individual and turned around, however, the individual sped away up a mountain road with four two lane splits from the main road to the top. The LEO chose the top route as the choice to give chase on. When teh individual came to the final stop sign on the road going down the hill, the individual looked up the hill nad pretty much made eye contact wiht the LEO...about a quarter mile up, and three switchbacks away. The individual on the bike, again sped away, making lots of noise, but was lost in a military housing neighborhood, bike in the garage. The only individual the LEO spotted was a male drinking a beer in shorts and t-shirt who he asked,"Have you seen an individual on a black bike sir?" The answer was,"Why no officer, I have been here drinking for the last hour or so and haven't seen any motorcycles or sport bikes."
The individual on the motorcycle used both speed and tactical advantage to evade and did so successfully. As this incident was in 2005, it is now beyond the statute of limitations and the individual in question no longer participates in those types of antics, however, the individual still maintains complete kowledge of the area, roads, intersections, and courses that may work to tactical advantage should the need arise. Rural areas are rife with back roads and intersections that can easily work to the advantage of an individual who wishes to exploit such things for play.
I do not recommend this, nor do I wish to participate in such activity, as the thought of getting caught doing such stuff, and the consequenses the acts have is enough

 

[Slapchop]

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The best outcome to situations like these are when the chase is called off or you lose sight of the guy. Then responding to a call of a single motor vehicle accident with an ejection, that matches that description of the original offending vehicle. The hilarity that ensues once it's realized that the guy you're scraping off the roadway, tree, concrete divider is the same one that was "toying" with you earlier... Well <span style="font-style: italic">dems</span> is the kind of laughs you can't find at the best of comedy clubs.

It's poetic justice when these fuckers end up killing themselves.

 

[UKDslayer]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Eric Bryant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm rather curious to see how performance on a road course correlates to the suitability of a vehicle for high-speed evasion from the police. I don't imagine this test being performed by the lame US magazines any time soon, although perhaps we'll see it on Top Gear UK

Unfortunately, many of the virtues of the NSX (as well as most other supercars) are not going to work in one's advantage during a police chase. In the purely hypothetical situation that I am choosing a vehicle with which to run from the cops, I want something with some mass, a lot of ground clearance, forgiving handling characteristics, and a reasonable amount of chassis robustness. Oh, and maybe a really good in-dash mapping GPS

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Didn't work that great here purely because the NSX wasn't able to hit a nearby interstate - in which case that NSX would have been long gone. Now, I do not respect instigating police chases...but on an interstate the LE would have been lost long ago. And will all due respect...the NSX did come to near-stops on most red-lights...
IMHO, and I have seen my share of lambo's & ferrari's - the sleek lines of the NSX always "did it" for me...

 

[Bacarrat]

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The NSX and RX7 while probably the best looking Japanese sports cars of the 90s, were turds. It took a lot of money to make them fast and in the case of the RX7 it was unreliable as hell.

 

[Switchblade]

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This does have a certain slightly brutal beauty

but this still has more beauty than anything but a beautiful woman

 

[Phil1]

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I make a WAG that running form the cops in:

- 5% of cases leads you to a doctor.

- 10 % of cases to a auto-body shop with no insurance.

- 10% of cases to jail.

- 1% dead.

- 3% injuring someone else.

- 20% to some big legal bills.

Now If i had a NASCAR Sprint cup car, the streets were dry and it was broad daylight with nobody else around. AND the cops chasing me had Sprint cup cars as well. It might be entertaining. I saw the motorcycle guy Jesse James do it for a TV show.

 

[Mattrmvpd]

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I am a HUGE fan of sports cars... but I am also in LE... I can honestly say that in our State especially in SOUTH GA... that chase would have ended with a NSX being completely totaled.

The State Patrol and Sheriffs Dept here will completely PIT the vehicle or blow the tires out... NOT saying that those are the smartest ideas... but I have seen it happen more times than I care to think of.

 

[11B101ABN]

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Meh. He'll die soon enough. Chlorine in the gene pool and all that.

 

[mexicanmatch]

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for safety reasons, when the speed reaches 80 MPH,that chase should have been terminated. To many people on the road and any one of those cars could have caused an accident. MM

 

[rpk762]

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Wow that is the way to get all green lights.

 

[Phylodog]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mexican match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
for safety reasons, when the speed reaches 80 MPH,that chase should have been terminated. To many people on the road and any one of those cars could have caused an accident. MM </div></div>

Does that apply if the driver of the vehicle was a convicted sex offender and has a child he kidnapped in the vehicle?

 

[mexicanmatch]

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Special circumstances would over ride the termination safety rule.

 

[11B101ABN]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mexican match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
for safety reasons, when the speed reaches 80 MPH,that chase should have been terminated. To many people on the road and any one of those cars could have caused an accident. MM </div></div>

Does that apply if the driver of the vehicle was a convicted sex offender and has a child he kidnapped in the vehicle? </div></div>

Not here. We would use any air assets, and multiple agencies to bring that to a successful conclusion.

 

[Phylodog]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 11B101ABN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Not here. We would use any air assets, and multiple agencies to bring that to a successful conclusion.
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I have engaged our local news reporters once or twice on this topic. The point I try to make to them is that many of the vehicle pursuits we become involved in around here are started because of a simple traffic violation. There are two ways to look at this.

1. It's only a traffic violation. Let it go as a ticket isn't worth the risk to life and limb.

2. Who in the hell would commit a felony to avoid a traffic ticket? Common sense doesn't allow for it so it is highly likely that something else is going on.

No one wishes more than I do that mind reading abilities came with a badge but they don't. As a supervisor I have an easier time terminating a pursuit of a shoplifting suspect than someone fleeing because they failed to stop at a stop sign. I guess it goes back to a fear of the unknown.

No easy answers I guess.

 

[rong56345]

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right

 

[rong56345]

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right

 

[rong56345]

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i've got more than that in an outboard motor