I was going to stay out of this but back in march 2012 I had narrowed my choices down to 3 companies. My top 3 were Larue obr, gap-10, AND JP LRP-07, at first I was really leaning toward Larue Tactical but after calling their Customer Service I was less than happy to say the least. They were not very friendly, they did not want to help me in my decisions where I was not sure what to go with, and finally they did not really seem to care about whether I bought one of their guns or not. Now when I called G A Precision about their GAP-10, it was a totally different story. Now I am not exactly sure who I spoke with but they were friendly and more than willing to help me in any way. Then I called J P Enterprise and spoke with Ben, I got the same exact relations with Ben as I did with G A Precision. Ben even went a little bit further to help me and was more than willing to do whatever I needed, even after I ordered my rifle he was still right there for me. Now after I got my rifle this is where the true test comes in, a lot of places do anything to get you to buy their product but then that is it. J P Enterprise were just as friendly and just as helpfull even after I had my rifle for over a year, their MOTTO is ( If your not happy, we're not happy ) and they stand 100% behind that and I would have to say that G A Precision would do the same. I will never buy a product from Larue Tactical. Notice I didn't say Mark, this is not personal, just from personal experience.
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For the last year or so I didn't want to add my two cents to this debacle, but this is beyond FUBAR. I really hoped the things would turn around. When the bans started to roll out I thought my GAP choice was going to set me back as the LaRue orders were getting a lowers shipped asap..
not that it matters when it takes two years to get 3k+ prettified DPMS oracle clone.
I have an OBR 5.56 and I like it and have also had a PredatAR 7.62 but sold it. Still was a good rifle though. My customer service experiences with them have been fairly limited to mainly smaller ticket items, and I never had much to complain about. However, the last time I contacted them a few months ago I was less than impressed. I had decided to upgrade my buttstock to a Magpul PRS from the adjustable buttstock that came with the rifle. That meant I had to replace the buffer tube with a A2 rifle tube. Since I have a LaRue rifle, and since I was purchasing my upgraded buttstock from LaRue Tactical, I wanted to have a buffer tube made by LaRue. I don't think this is unreasonable. I called and inquired and was told they do not sell them separately, and that I would have to get one somewhere else. I asked where they recommended, and they would not recommend a place. I then "debated" the topic with them saying I felt the buffer tube was an extremely important piece of the rifle, and tried to make my case using flattery by letting them know I wanted the "best" buffer tube from the "best company" to go with the "best rifle". I got nothing in response. No, "we understand sir, but unfortunately we do not sell those separately..." Not even that. Just a, "you'll have to get that elsewhere". I asked to be transferred to someone else, and they sent me to sales. There I encountered the same rude bastard that the OP must've talked to. He seemed very put out by my request. I even offered to pay a higher price just to get one. Offered to give him $100 personally to make it happen for me just to see what happened. Answer was still no. Don't get me wrong, I understand if not selling them separately is part of their business plan, but there comes a point in customer service, where it's better to send and existing customer a part that likely cost them less than $1.00 to make and charge them $30 for it than it so they can put it on the rifle they sold to you than it is to send them down the street. They weren't overly rude to me, but it did leave me scratching my head, and I definitely got the impression they didn't give 2 shits about me.
Lots of people keep bringing up GAP, and I've always heard good things about them, but I'm about to find out firsthand just how things work over there. I have a GAP .338 LM that I bought from a guy on SH. From day 1 there was a problem with the bolt extractor lever not working properly. I eventually started a thread about it on the gunsmith forum, and George himself even chimed in with advice and offered to fix it if I couldn't get it figured out on my own. I ended up fixing it myself and was happy enough with it. Then I started noticing an issue with the bolt where a burr was building up from the timing being off. I had also upgraded to a Huber trigger, and that brought the bolt release lever issue back into play. So I decided to throw in the towel and get GAP to fix it. I called GAP to ask about it, and told them I wanted to send it in to be looked at/fixed. The guy I spoke with the first time I called (not saying his name) was less than friendly and, in my opinion, tried to make me feel like an idiot about calling and dissuade me from sending it in. He told me how long it would take for them to even look at it, and how much it would cost me in shipping alone, and then how much they would charge me at a minimum for just looking at it. I told him I was fine with all of that, and that I just wanted the rifle fixed and working perfectly and not just good enough to get by. He then reminded me that I bought the rifle second-hand, saying it as if the issues were suddenly my fault. I responded that I realized that, but I paid a premium for a GAP rifle because I knew they stood behind their product, and I wanted the rifle to work the way it was supposed to. He finally told me to just send it in, but not without telling me again how long it would take, etc (and not in a setting proper expectations kind of way). I sent it in the week after GAP Grind. I received a FedEx delivery confirmation, but I would certainly sleep better knowing they had it in their possession for sure, so I waited a week and a few days after the deliver confirmation, and called to get confirmation they had it. Spoke with the same guy, who seemed to be a little easier to deal with this time around, but he informed me that he doesn't know if they have it or not, and they won't know until George decides to open packages. And that could be anytime. Ok....I can wait. But it seems odd to me that they would have a rifle in their shop (possession) for several weeks without logging it into their FFL book. Anyway, we'll see what happens when they finally open the rifle and call me. I fully expect that they will fix it, I will have zero issues, and will walk away singing praises about GAP....but there is a part of me that wonders if the experience will be negative based on what I've dealt with thus far. Mind you, this is one out of 1000 stories that is less than glowing about GAP. But I figured it was worth telling since they're being promoted as the answer to all LaRue problems.
Lots of people keep bringing up GAP, and I've always heard good things about them, but I'm about to find out firsthand just how things work over there. I have a GAP .338 LM that I bought from a guy on SH. From day 1 there was a problem with the bolt extractor lever not working properly. I eventually started a thread about it on the gunsmith forum, and George himself even chimed in with advice and offered to fix it if I couldn't get it figured out on my own. I ended up fixing it myself and was happy enough with it. Then I started noticing an issue with the bolt where a burr was building up from the timing being off. I had also upgraded to a Huber trigger, and that brought the bolt release lever issue back into play. So I decided to throw in the towel and get GAP to fix it. I called GAP to ask about it, and told them I wanted to send it in to be looked at/fixed. The guy I spoke with the first time I called (not saying his name) was less than friendly and, in my opinion, tried to make me feel like an idiot about calling and dissuade me from sending it in. He told me how long it would take for them to even look at it, and how much it would cost me in shipping alone, and then how much they would charge me at a minimum for just looking at it. I told him I was fine with all of that, and that I just wanted the rifle fixed and working perfectly and not just good enough to get by. He then reminded me that I bought the rifle second-hand, saying it as if the issues were suddenly my fault. I responded that I realized that, but I paid a premium for a GAP rifle because I knew they stood behind their product, and I wanted the rifle to work the way it was supposed to. He finally told me to just send it in, but not without telling me again how long it would take, etc (and not in a setting proper expectations kind of way). I sent it in the week after GAP Grind. I received a FedEx delivery confirmation, but I would certainly sleep better knowing they had it in their possession for sure, so I waited a week and a few days after the deliver confirmation, and called to get confirmation they had it. Spoke with the same guy, who seemed to be a little easier to deal with this time around, but he informed me that he doesn't know if they have it or not, and they won't know until George decides to open packages. And that could be anytime. Ok....I can wait. But it seems odd to me that they would have a rifle in their shop (possession) for several weeks without logging it into their FFL book. Anyway, we'll see what happens when they finally open the rifle and call me. I fully expect that they will fix it, I will have zero issues, and will walk away singing praises about GAP....but there is a part of me that wonders if the experience will be negative based on what I've dealt with thus far. Mind you, this is one out of 1000 stories that is less than glowing about GAP. But I figured it was worth telling since they're being promoted as the answer to all LaRue problems.
GA Precision is touted as the answer to LaRue because (what I've seen) is that GA Precision has pretty much the exact opposite reputation as LaRue. Both companies have their critics, both have their fans.
I don't believe that a long wait list equates to a better company, though. I think a better (faster, stronger, more accurate, more durable, etc.) product makes a better company. The reputation of a company is built by people.
I don't believe that a long wait list equates to a better company, though. I think a better (faster, stronger, more accurate, more durable, etc.) product makes a better company. The reputation of a company is built by people.
Larue offer
I only own mounts so I have no dog in this fight. got this email yesterday from Larue
NEWS RELEASE:
10/09/2013 LEANDER, TX.
Are you one of the many folks patiently waiting on your LaRue Rifle ?
If so, first and foremost, I implore you to please accept our apologies ... every hour, it seemed as if we were an hour from completion ... hours turned to days, days to weeks, weeks to months, etc.
Truth is, making a barrel that lives up to our reputation is tougher than it looks. Anyhow, as of this moment, we're still not quite where we want to be. Even state-of-the-art barrel-making equipment needs tweaking in order to ensure match-grade barrels - and yep, we're still tweaking.
In the meantime, we are awash in Field Grade quality barrels. So, to get rifles out into long-awaited folks' hands, we are going to offer to send rifles with a Field Grade barrel on it. These Stainless-Steel barrels are nothing to look down upon, but they’re just not on par with the ones we’ll be producing soon. Consider the Field Grade barrel as a "beater" barrel to use and abuse. The rifle will ship with a coupon for a no-cost follow-on Match-Grade barrel that we'll send out once we're satisfied with our setup.
Be advised, But you don't have to take us up on this offer. You may stay in line if you wish.
Please do not call us, Juli will be calling you shortly ... starting today.
Thanks,
Mark Larue
©2013 LaRue Tactical. All text is copyright LaRue.
To guarantee receipt of our emails please add [email protected] to your address book.
LaRue Tactical · 850 County Road 177 · Leander, TX 78641 · USA
I only own mounts so I have no dog in this fight. got this email yesterday from Larue
NEWS RELEASE:
10/09/2013 LEANDER, TX.
Are you one of the many folks patiently waiting on your LaRue Rifle ?
If so, first and foremost, I implore you to please accept our apologies ... every hour, it seemed as if we were an hour from completion ... hours turned to days, days to weeks, weeks to months, etc.
Truth is, making a barrel that lives up to our reputation is tougher than it looks. Anyhow, as of this moment, we're still not quite where we want to be. Even state-of-the-art barrel-making equipment needs tweaking in order to ensure match-grade barrels - and yep, we're still tweaking.
In the meantime, we are awash in Field Grade quality barrels. So, to get rifles out into long-awaited folks' hands, we are going to offer to send rifles with a Field Grade barrel on it. These Stainless-Steel barrels are nothing to look down upon, but they’re just not on par with the ones we’ll be producing soon. Consider the Field Grade barrel as a "beater" barrel to use and abuse. The rifle will ship with a coupon for a no-cost follow-on Match-Grade barrel that we'll send out once we're satisfied with our setup.
Be advised, But you don't have to take us up on this offer. You may stay in line if you wish.
Please do not call us, Juli will be calling you shortly ... starting today.
Thanks,
Mark Larue
©2013 LaRue Tactical. All text is copyright LaRue.
To guarantee receipt of our emails please add [email protected] to your address book.
LaRue Tactical · 850 County Road 177 · Leander, TX 78641 · USA
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LaRue Rifle Announcement - AR15.COM
Seriosuly Read the comments.
99% of people are jumping up and down like the first time they discovered masterbation.
Talk about a group of ignorant, gullable fools.
Larue could come out with a candy coated piece of dog shit as a dessert, and it would sell out in minutes.
The reality is, most wouldnt even know the difference between their "field grade" and "match grade" if there is even a difference. Wonder who larue ended up geting a few thousand .308 barrels on the quick? Or maybe this has been the plan for months?
Seriosuly Read the comments.
99% of people are jumping up and down like the first time they discovered masterbation.
Talk about a group of ignorant, gullable fools.
Larue could come out with a candy coated piece of dog shit as a dessert, and it would sell out in minutes.
The reality is, most wouldnt even know the difference between their "field grade" and "match grade" if there is even a difference. Wonder who larue ended up geting a few thousand .308 barrels on the quick? Or maybe this has been the plan for months?
LaRue is offering to send rifles out with barrels made in-house. They have over a million dollars of new barrel-making equipment as part of their effort to bring almost all production for LaRue rifle components in-house, but they have not figured out a repeatable process for making barrels as accurate as they'd like. I'm guessing they have quite a few barrels that are fine in all respects except for consistent sub-MOA accuracy, so they're offering to send rifles out with one of these barrels installed, with a certificate for a new in-house barrel once LaRue has worked out all the kinks in their barrel making process and is producing the "match-grade" barrels that meet their accuracy requirements.
A friend is on this waiting list and is rather excited about the temp barrel. Larue will send out rifles to customers so they don't have to keep waiting for a rifle, the customer will get a picking barrel and the match barrel when ready. With the new rail system, anyone can just switch the barrels out as they please. Had I still been on the waiting list, I'd be very happy with this process.
More like Larue being the cocky SOB's they are, thought they somehow were going to just start making their own barrels, just as good as people who have been doing it decades....instantly.
THE ONLY REASON, they went to inhouse production, is to save money. They will make a couple hundred more per gun now that they don't have to farm the barrels out. What's next? They going to start making BCG's and FCG?
THE ONLY REASON, that they are doing this, is soo many people have cannceled their order or are asking for money back, they needed a bandaid to the shit storm situation they created.
THE ONLY PEOPLE, who are getting these are the ones who have been waiting the longest. So those that have waited over a year, are getting a $3300 Match rifle, with a shit barrel. Why not just send out the rifles sans barrel, over a year ago and let people get what they want, and be able to actualy shoot them , instead of eating more lies and bullshit excuses from ML.
They already make their .308 BCGs in house, along with .308 mags, receivers, etc along with a bunch of the polymer furniture. They are actually trying to become more like KAC with a full in-house production capability for complete rifles from bar stock up.
Now whether they thought it would be easy... That's another story altogether.
I'm not buying a high-end gas fun any time soon...but I am curious to see the accuracy of their "field grade" barrels compared to a GAP10, KAC, JP, etc.
I don't understand how this is a negative thing... Some people will bitch just because it's LaRue and I understand if you don't like them, you have every right to feel that way. But how you put a negative spin on them sending a beater barrel for now and then a another match barrel free of charge when they are ready, just doesn't make sense. I have been waiting since 3-12 and 6-12 for my 5.56 and 7.62 and I for one am thrilled they are doing this.
MY negativity had nothing to do with this thread but towards their Customer Service, I was on the verge of ordering one but whenever I am going to pay a premium for something I expect at the very least to be friendly, helpfull, and act like they really care. From the moment BEN @ JP Enterprise picked up the phone he not only had a positive and friendly voice but he was enthusiastic about JP rifles and shooting in general. When you can get on the phone with a Representative from a company and they can get you excited about their products and answer all your questions and last but not least ( Give you some advice from their own personal experiences ), then you know that you are dealing with a company who not only takes pride in what they do, but also knows how to do it. JP Enterprise does not have to toot their own horn because thier PRODUCTS speak for themselves.
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No problem. I still am interested in the pics. Did they try different ammo, or did they use the same stuff throughout their testing?
Beacuse its a bullshit solution. They have lied and ignored the VERY CUSTOMERS who made larue what it is today. They sure as fuck kept taking everyone's money, knowing there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell of getting them rifles anytime soon. They lied about wait times and would not tell anyone anything. Then they make some bullshit design changes to the guns that people never wanted/ordered.
Now they have a bunch of shitty barrels that they couldnt make right, and are sending them out with a $3400 gun.... thats a joke. With a cupon that we will fix it later, we dont know when.... but sometime.
Are you guys seriously that fucking insane? He used pre-orders to raise capital for equipment he doesnt even know how to use.
Anyone who is "cool" with that is a sucker.
Actually that statement is false, you aren't charged until the item ships. Only the people who elected to get lowers when there was an impending ban had any money out. Even then they could return them and keep their place in line. Nobody was out money on their rifles unless they chose to be.
That being said, I don't agree with how the situation has been handled. I don't see why they didn't continue with the Lowthar Walther barrels until they could produce their own properly. I don't have any rifles currently on order but I'm pleased with all the Larue products that I own and would buy from them again.
Also, to the fellow that said GAP gave them poor service; that's unfortunate. I had the opposite experience with them. I had to return my GAP-10 for a minor warranty issue a few months back and they did an excellent job. I needed it back quickly for a hog hunt and George personally ensured that I had my rifle back in time. Total turn around was about a week including shipping both ways. I will definitely do more business with GA Precision in the future.
A lot of the rifle companies' reputations greatly depend on which forum we're talking about. Here nobody likes Larue but on ARF, they're the gold standard and can do no wrong. Hardly anybody talks about GAP on ARF but they're all over the place here. I like them both. Hands down the best warranty service I've had from any firearm company was with Daniel Defense.
I like Larue, I preordered my 7.62 OBR before they were originally released for 2500 bux and they included a QD scope mount and all kinds of stuff for free! 
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I like Larue, I preordered my 7.62 OBR before they were originally released for 2500 bux and they included a QD scope mount and all kinds of stuff for free!
Me too!!!! I love my early OBR. I have put a lot of rounds through it with zero problems and exceptional accuracy.
Would I buy another? At the time the OBR was released it was a great value. It gave me what I wanted at the right price point at that time. Now there are so many good 308AR's on the market it comes down to nitpicking what you want. It's a great thing!!!!
The good thing is they are trying to make it right. I don't consider myself a sucker at all. I also don't think these barrels are going to be as "shitty" as you think. If anything, Larue has always taken care of their customers in the end, and it seems like they are trying hard to do that now. You are right-they certainly did screw up in the worst way with some very loyal customers, myself included. But I am hopeful that they are going to turn it around. The extra barrel is the first step. When mine comes in I will post a target of the field grade barrel. I'll bet it will be under MOA. Wild guess, but we shall see.
J
Except you are wrong. Ask the hide member about his rifle that wouldnt shoot. MARK LARUES awsner was...to sell it for a profit...maybe you should read the entire thread before posting.
I have read the ENTIRE thread sir, so let me say now this is the last thing I am going to post to you. I have contacted the member in question. Remember, that was one person's experience. I have had my own experiences with them. I know what kind of people they are. I have called them. Many times. Even been less than nice while trying to find out what was up with my PredatOBR order. Never had anyone treat me unkindly, let alone hang up on me. With regard to the PredatAR, I want to see those targets before I start bashing anybody. Truth is, if you are shooting 4 moa you have a scope problem. Even my granddaddy's sporterized 1903 shoots 1.5 inches at 100 yds. It did shoot 4 MOA, but then I replaced the Weaver...;-)
Their first response was that it was my ammo: M118LR. The same M118LR shot sub-half-MOA through a different gun. Their response was, "There's a reason we only use FGMM and now you're seeing it. We recommend FGMM." I told him that for $3k, the rifle better shoot ANY match grade ammo.
ANYWAYS, back to your question: During their test, they used FGMM 175 and some M118LR that I included.
The only thing that was mine was the gun. It was thier scope, mount, ammo (except the M118LR I gave them), conditions, shooter... everything was theirs but the gun.
An awkward point int he conversation I had with the company rep was when he (fairly matter of factly) stated that it was the mount. Then I told him it's a LaRue mount. **awkward silence**
Here's the thing here: Larue and I are at an impasse. They say its within their spec. I say that it doesn't meet my expectations. Both sides can clearly articulate our sides using the same data.
The difficulty here is that we're interpreting the data into different information, which causes different viewpoints.
Hopefully I come across as a 'discriminating and detail driven gun owner' and not as a 'giant prick who's pissed at everyone.' It's my intention to be the first.
So, what to do when two opposing views disagree about a subject??? They part ways. As much as I feel Larue turned around and walked away, I did the same. I feel no need to go on a giant tirade stating, "Larue is the worst, EVAR!!!!!!" It's not what adults do.
It's true that Mark LaRue told me (via email) to sell the gun if I wasn't happy. I am taking it one step further and I cancelled my other open orders from the company. If they don't want me as a customer, I won't be. I will (and have) recommended other companies instead of Larue, and all this is the direct result of the interaction I've had as a result of this rifle not meeting what I thought it would be able to do.
I have a LWRC REPR and love it! I think right now if I were to buy another large caliber AR I would either get a GAP10 due to their accuracy or get a LMT w/switch barrel capability. I really think that it cool, to be able to shoot 308 then go shoot 260 for distance.
The .260 barel for my MWS is the next purchase.... Now if I can only find one....
I am not upset with the wait. I am upset because I think that LT deceived its customers. I've been waiting for more than a year. No problem with that. I wouldn't have had an issue if LT had been communicative. However, Mark may have some issues with his pride. His employees have been great. What the hell can they say? Yeah, my boss is a delusional egomaniac who didn't want to admit that he got in over his head?
That's asking a lot of them. I'll wait it out, but likely won't buy another rifle from Mark since I think that he is deceitful when it suits his purpose. The principle is what irritates me. Only a fool doubts the quality of his rifles, but a bigger fool thinks that LT has a monopoly on reliable accurate duty rifles.
I live in Central Texas and prefer supporting Texas companies. It's a big deal for me to say "to hell with this guy, life is too short."
That's asking a lot of them. I'll wait it out, but likely won't buy another rifle from Mark since I think that he is deceitful when it suits his purpose. The principle is what irritates me. Only a fool doubts the quality of his rifles, but a bigger fool thinks that LT has a monopoly on reliable accurate duty rifles.
I live in Central Texas and prefer supporting Texas companies. It's a big deal for me to say "to hell with this guy, life is too short."
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holy shit, that barfcom thread is fucking disgusting...funny, but damn pathetic.
"Well done LT...an LT 'field grade' barrel will still outshoot a Bushmaster barrel...blah, blah, blah..."
Fuck that. Give me my money back. 3500.00 for some "field grade" bullshit. Are they out of their minds??? What the fuck does "field grade" mean anyway?
Not one of those people asked ML what the "field grade" barrels are...that's how bad they're blinded by LT lore.
Can you imagine paying for a GAP, SAC, KMW, etc...and receiving a letter like that? That would crush most any other firearm building business, but nope, not LT.
Thank the Almighty my cash went to JPE.
"Well done LT...an LT 'field grade' barrel will still outshoot a Bushmaster barrel...blah, blah, blah..."
Fuck that. Give me my money back. 3500.00 for some "field grade" bullshit. Are they out of their minds??? What the fuck does "field grade" mean anyway?
Not one of those people asked ML what the "field grade" barrels are...that's how bad they're blinded by LT lore.
Can you imagine paying for a GAP, SAC, KMW, etc...and receiving a letter like that? That would crush most any other firearm building business, but nope, not LT.
Thank the Almighty my cash went to JPE.
What I don't get is why not just buy a controlling interest in a known-good barrel making company. I believe that is what noveske does, they have a partnership with pac-nor and do barrel runs through them.
It seems kind of conceited to "we'll just do it ourselves using order money as capital".
I'm sure some cans of Dillo Dust and a 17th copy of the 2010 ISC will win their hearts back.
I cancelled my order last week and the check came on Friday. I made the right choice for me!
Good for you, I have never bought anything from larue nor will i. when i first got my FLL four years ago i called and asked about dealer accounts ( minimum quantities etc ) and i was blatantly told we dont have dealers and if i wanted anything i could pay full retail. i told him ( somebody in sales, i dont remember his name) that if he acted that way toward me i didnt want to sell his stuff anyway. he was just being a prick and i have never gotten on the LT bandwagon and i would recommend anybody buy something other than larue.
I have no dog in this fight but yesterday I was at the range to zero my POF P-308. The fellow next to me has a new OBR Predator. He was not a happy camper. He told me after firing his 10 shots the OBR starting to vertically stringing shots. He also added he had gotten the letter from LaRue about eventually replacing his barrel. So perhaps they are having problems with their barrels.
The thing about Larue, is that there is no substance behind, the man, the company, or the gun. Literally all of the hype about Larue is based off the trinkets that he gives away.
Its not like mark was some great gunsmith or competition shooter.
Its not like Larue billet receivers are any nicer than any other of the dozen or so companies that shit out CNC parts
Its not like his hand guards have proven to be any tougher or lighter than anything made by DD,KAC, gieselle or the two dozen companies that do handguards.
While many manufactures have designed some pretty good two stage triggers, he buys his online just like the rest of us.
He talks of supporting the troops but passes on submitting his rifles for any DoD testing.
Does he make a decent rifle, yeah, sure, but so does cmmg and dpms, his rifles are nothing special, while the man and his hordes of followers like to go on about a dedication to accuracy, the fact remains that you are only going to be able to get soo much from a semi auto with a standard chamber designed to fire a wide array of ammo.
Waiting 12 plus months for a rifle with a barrel that most manufactures would toss,and being estactic... wholly fuck
Its not like mark was some great gunsmith or competition shooter.
Its not like Larue billet receivers are any nicer than any other of the dozen or so companies that shit out CNC parts
Its not like his hand guards have proven to be any tougher or lighter than anything made by DD,KAC, gieselle or the two dozen companies that do handguards.
While many manufactures have designed some pretty good two stage triggers, he buys his online just like the rest of us.
He talks of supporting the troops but passes on submitting his rifles for any DoD testing.
Does he make a decent rifle, yeah, sure, but so does cmmg and dpms, his rifles are nothing special, while the man and his hordes of followers like to go on about a dedication to accuracy, the fact remains that you are only going to be able to get soo much from a semi auto with a standard chamber designed to fire a wide array of ammo.
Waiting 12 plus months for a rifle with a barrel that most manufactures would toss,and being estactic... wholly fuck
Now thats funny. Ya Mark is evidently having trouble with his "Match" barrel making process. So he's sending out everything with "Field" grade barrels to clear out the backlog, with a free replacement "Match" barrel once they figure out wtf they are doing.
OBR owner here. One of the first actually. It is a great rifle and shoots lights out. That being said, I will not order another OBR. I like the LW barrels they used but with all of the different threads on arfcom, and now reading that they hung up on the OP here I am done with their rifles. I understand that they may be sick of all of the phone calls, but they have not had any information to give it out in a long time. Personally I think they need to buy barrels else where and get rifles out the door. Mark should have not switched to his own barrels until his production was up and running.
Sorry about the wait. Good Luck!
Sorry about the wait. Good Luck!
We get it. You are mad. Done yet?
When dealing with an a-hole, who just wants to complain, at some point you just hang up.
^^^ Larue rep in disguise?
You never know. 'Dominus' is Latin for 'owner' or 'Lord.' You may be responding to the arrogant prick himself.
we get it, Welcome to two weeks ago...
Who is mad? Are you fucking retarded?
Edit: Nice troll post by the way. Maybe Lowlight or Rob should do an IP trace and see where your coming from... 2+ years here and these are your only posts.......
Stress relief problems maybe?
I still don't get why they didn't just call up someone like Criterion and say "we need 200 18" 308 AR barrels" at least then people would know exactly what they are getting and have some sort of recourse if the barrel doesn't shoot well.
Just my two cents.
I purchased a 7.62 OBR about two years ago. The waiting period was about 3-4 months back then. To be fair, I had some serious cycling problems with the Federal 150 grain FMC. It cycled perfectly with the Federal 168 grain GMM. LaRue personnel bent over backwards to fix it. It went so far as me having one of the techs personal cell numbers so that I could speak with him while I was at our range (on the weekend) and they tried to troubleshoot my problem. They overnighted the rifle a minimum of three times and were courteous at all times. They offered to refund the purchase price if I desired. I didn't. Long story short, they re-barreled the OBR and I've had no problems ever since.
In preparation for an upcoming class, I have been studying/reading and shooting. Yesterday I shot a four shot group at 100 yards that could be covered with a dime. The rifle is a laser. If I had to, I would buy again.
Sorry some of you have had problems, but I feel LaRue has been very fair with me.
Disclaimer: I don't work for LaRue, don't know any of their employees and don't drink Kool-Aid. I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, though.
HTH.
Joe
I purchased a 7.62 OBR about two years ago. The waiting period was about 3-4 months back then. To be fair, I had some serious cycling problems with the Federal 150 grain FMC. It cycled perfectly with the Federal 168 grain GMM. LaRue personnel bent over backwards to fix it. It went so far as me having one of the techs personal cell numbers so that I could speak with him while I was at our range (on the weekend) and they tried to troubleshoot my problem. They overnighted the rifle a minimum of three times and were courteous at all times. They offered to refund the purchase price if I desired. I didn't. Long story short, they re-barreled the OBR and I've had no problems ever since.
In preparation for an upcoming class, I have been studying/reading and shooting. Yesterday I shot a four shot group at 100 yards that could be covered with a dime. The rifle is a laser. If I had to, I would buy again.
Sorry some of you have had problems, but I feel LaRue has been very fair with me.
Disclaimer: I don't work for LaRue, don't know any of their employees and don't drink Kool-Aid. I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express, though.
HTH.
Joe
If this really is someone from LaRue, I invite you to read each post I've made on this thread and try to find fault.
The guy who complains may just be the one who has the answers to the problems. Larue would never know it because they haven't displayed the patience. It's not hard to listen, de-escalate, and figure out what it is that someone really needs.
Maybe I'm too tired of fighting, but I just put the bottom line first: resolution to me looks like 'xxxxxxx'. That way the common goal is there. This is simple interpersonal dynamics that hasn't been displayed by the employees at LaRue. Not that they'd know, because they're too busy hanging up on people.
Good product gets the customer in the door. Good customer service keeps them coming back. It's a people business.
From the targets they sent me, here are the results.
The smallest group that LaRue got out of my rifle was a .11" 3-shot group at 100 yds. That is pretty damn outstanding, by any measure.
The largets group they got was a 1.6" 3-shot group at 100 yds. That doesn't surprise me, as the rifle has a thinner profile; the groups will open up as the barrel heats up.
They shot 14 3-shot groups out of the rifle, with an average group size of 0.94". They claim that the gun is still within their factory specs.
The picture below shows the geometric 'center' of each group. I wasn't a math major in college, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so please don't get all math nerd on me. Notice how the groups don't 'center' around a singular point of aim? That's my problem. The gun isn't predictable about where it shoots, and it could be from 2MOA high (the very first group in their sequence of fire) to less than a half inch high (the third group in their sequence of fire).
If someone is able to explain to me how this is still a 1MOA gun, I'm all ears.
ETA: Just to be clear, this was their ammo, their scope, their mount, their shooter, and their range. The only 'variable' here is the gun.
The smallest group that LaRue got out of my rifle was a .11" 3-shot group at 100 yds. That is pretty damn outstanding, by any measure.
The largets group they got was a 1.6" 3-shot group at 100 yds. That doesn't surprise me, as the rifle has a thinner profile; the groups will open up as the barrel heats up.
They shot 14 3-shot groups out of the rifle, with an average group size of 0.94". They claim that the gun is still within their factory specs.
The picture below shows the geometric 'center' of each group. I wasn't a math major in college, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, so please don't get all math nerd on me. Notice how the groups don't 'center' around a singular point of aim? That's my problem. The gun isn't predictable about where it shoots, and it could be from 2MOA high (the very first group in their sequence of fire) to less than a half inch high (the third group in their sequence of fire).
If someone is able to explain to me how this is still a 1MOA gun, I'm all ears.
ETA: Just to be clear, this was their ammo, their scope, their mount, their shooter, and their range. The only 'variable' here is the gun.
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So those red dots are the point of impact for each round? As in fire 3 shot groups at center dot, it strings upward, and they still said it was okay????????????
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