No, at that price its fairly useless with ranges of like 400 yards.LIDAR based wind measuring for 999$ ?
I don't play with fire, I control it in a finely tuned precision manner. Much like our missile on missile ballistics etc.you're absolutely pouring gasoline on my baseless Garmin theories
I was hoping you might be able to answer a couple reticle related questions for me. How thick are the reticle lines? How much of the target will the reticle obscure? I'm concerned with ranging small targets (woodchucks) at extreme ranges. The reticle documentation on your site does not include line thicknesses. Did the design team consider leaving the center of the main crosshairs open, this would have been preferable. Thank you!Being reticle designer and proud member of project team, I am happy to tell that your concerns too were considered very carefully.
As FinnAccuracy original MSR / MSR2 riflescope reticles, Vector X MSR-DMR is designed with absolute guideline of fundamental binocular use: Reticle has to be non obstructive, clear and simple for any observing use - while offering precision and versatility when mil references are needed.
Reticle design notes:
- Upper 50% of FOV is perfectly clean for any observing use
- When display is not on, wide lower center part of reticle is clean without any etched structures
- Uaers will get full reticle functionality with both basic and range enhancer use
- "T" elements blend nicely with display, are kept very close to it for multiple reasons
- Outside "T" hairlines, reticle extensions are subtle dots and also toward outer areas of FOV. Dot weights are balanced so that they are not effecting general clear feel. Still, If wider or taller reference size than T is needed, eye catches on them immediately.
- Dot-grids can be used as layover mil reference on top of target. They are most obstructive elements of reticle, but are also located in outer FOV area. Grid element weights are light, for precision and daytime use.
- Center area cross is 1x1 mrad, with 1mrad stepped dot extensions. Center cross area is compact but still useful refence for many needs, calling shot corrections based on impact signature for instance.
For those who appreciate good optical quality, I can confirm that it is good! Rather early prototype Vector X test mule I benchmarked against Zeiss Victory RF 45mm objective version was already preforming same, if not slightly better than Zeiss. But Vector X optical system was still improved after that, so final version is even better. Image also remains good when pushed up to 17x with range enhancers. This includes other than bright daytime use, enhancer quality is also very good.
Edit - P.S.
Photo taken with 12x42 and mobile phone, no range enhancers. Reticle feel is very different against practical backgrounds - black&white reticle drawing changes its appearance to very highlighted. Only elements eye catches immediately in real life are center cross and compact mil-T:s, rest are there if needed and when eye concentrates on it. Bit hard to explain, but functionality and "real-life feel" on practical use is based on dimensioning, weights and locations on FOV as combination.
Phone adapters were also considered when eyepiece was designed, so almost any cheap Amazon phone adapter will work very nicely. Also display refresh rate matters and was taken into account, display won't flicker annoyingly when Vector X owners want to capture photos or video. Eyepiece is also very easy to remove for cleaning, very useful but rather rare feature in binoculars.
So you want to use the reticle to range the chucks? Or the actual LRF?I was hoping you might be able to answer a couple reticle related questions for me. How thick are the reticle lines? How much of the target will the reticle obscure? I'm concerned with ranging small targets (woodchucks) at extreme ranges. The reticle documentation on your site does not include line thicknesses. Did the design team consider leaving the center of the main crosshairs open, this would have been preferable. Thank you!
Beam divergence will likely be a larger concern than the reticle over lap. Judging from the photos of center cross hair VS the milling grid, center cross appears to be 0.1-0.15 mil, so at 1k yards, it'd cover 3.6-6" target. Rock chucks standing upright are roughly 6" wide, sure some are chunkier. However trying to laze that small a target is difficult at long distances. The beam is only 0.1 mil tall x 1.5 mil wide, so the beam will likely pass by the sides of the chuck and possibly send a range back from a more substantial reflective target behind or next to the chuck. I have never run a terrapin, maybe the vectronix laser is capable, but my sig 10k atop a tripod have a tough time hitting silhouetted plates that are 2 moa, I have to lase the base, or I'll return a range behind the target.I want to use the LRF to range the chucks, but if the ranging reticle is too large it will obscure (completely cover) the target. This is why an open center reticle would have been an advantage. As range increases, target decreases in size. Depending on the thickness of the crosshairs' lines, at a certain range the reticle will completely cover the target.
This depends a lot of understanding how LRFs work as well. 905 and low power lasers use a series of pulses. That is then run through an algorithm in order to try to predict what the software thinks you are looking at.I haven't come across a LRF yet that will lase a 6" plate reliably at distance. My experience has been PLRFs, the old terrapin, the Terrapin X, Wilcox Raptor, and an Insight RULR. Most of the time I don't even bother trying to hit a plate, I just lase the feet.
Pro tip: If you purposely load ammo for a massive velocity ES, your vertical "cone" of fire will make up for bad ranges. ... kidding
As a rule, you want 50% or more of the laser on the target. So for my 21, with a .3 x .7 beam, to 1000 a 10x25 inch target is covered, a 5 x 12 target is 50% coverage, anything smaller is not likely to return a good range.I haven't come across a LRF yet that will lase a 6" plate reliably at distance. My experience has been PLRFs, the old terrapin, the Terrapin X, Wilcox Raptor, and an Insight RULR. Most of the time I don't even bother trying to hit a plate, I just lase the feet.
Pro tip: If you purposely load ammo for a massive velocity ES, your vertical "cone" of fire will make up for bad ranges. ... kidding
Yes, it displays "KSTL" on the upper left cornerThese videos by Area 419 were very well done!
QUESTION: When the VectorX is communicating with a Kestrel, is there an indicator confirming that connection shown on the HUD?
T&E ? Website pleaseProduction models have started to roll into T&E. They look great!
Test and evaluation, so far only Area419 has posted a review about them.T&E ? Website please
Unfortunately, nobody has done a work flow video yet, to my knowledge. A419 was super vague on their video reviews to process, basically it's good glass lots of tech, love the features, we're selling them so buy em. Perhaps their being quiet at request of manufacturers until official public release for sale.I can't seem to find this anywhere but maybe it's been answered and I missed it? How is wind input for the target? The 10K gen 2 has a single button for speed/direction. How many steps will it take to change wind on a target with these?
Hold menu button for 2 seconds, you get to a very user friendly wind screen, really bad phone pic:Unfortunately, nobody has done a work flow video yet, to my knowledge. A419 was super vague on their video reviews to process, basically it's good glass lots of tech, love the features, we're selling them so buy em. Perhaps their being quiet at request of manufacturers until official public release for sale.
Kilo 10k actually has decent glass, now the tint is gone, and more tech and quick wind, it's a good option! I just feel they should have set it up with a ws1 and ws2 like a kestrel so you can bracket winds.
Hold menu button for 2 seconds, you get to a very user friendly wind screen, really bad phone pic:
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Having to go into the menu as shown above on the Vectronix wouldn't be useful for me in a match situation, though.
If I’m understanding you correctly, the Fury’s work this way. I imagine Vortex will carry this over to their next line of LRF binosI'd prefer to be able to set a wind direction from true north, then have the wind holds calculated based upon target azimuth like you can do with a kestrel.
If I’m understanding you correctly, the Fury’s work this way. I imagine Vortex will carry this over to their next line of LRF binos
I believe I saw somewhere (probably your youtube bino comparison) that the Vector can have "_:30" wind direction? On the Sig you have to choose between 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock wind but we really need the option for 10:30 in precision shooting. I'm hoping the Vector allows this.Hold menu button for 2 seconds, you get to a very user friendly wind screen, really bad phone pic:
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I believe I saw somewhere (probably your youtube bino comparison) that the Vector can have "_:30" wind direction? On the Sig you have to choose between 10 o'clock or 11 o'clock wind but we really need the option for 10:30 in precision shooting. I'm hoping the Vector allows this.
I'd prefer to be able to set a wind direction from true north, then have the wind holds calculated based upon target azimuth like you can do with a kestrel.
If I’m understanding you correctly, the Fury’s work this way. I imagine Vortex will carry this over to their next line of LRF binos
Their is a really cool adapter coming for this soon.@Philip_at_Vectronix Do the Vector X have this functionality? To my knowledge, only Vortex has this on binos currently. With the onboard compass of the Vector X, it seems like the hardware is there.
This feature is especially useful in NRL or Team Safari matches where targets can be 90 degrees away from each other and I am on the clock trying to figure out wind holds. I currently use Sig 10k, and previously the Vortex Fury AB. The Vector X seems like the best option now, but would really seal the deal with that feature.
99% sure the wind bearing capture mode is or is being patented by Vortex@Philip_at_Vectronix Do the Vector X have this functionality? To my knowledge, only Vortex has this on binos currently. With the onboard compass of the Vector X, it seems like the hardware is there.
This feature is especially useful in NRL or Team Safari matches where targets can be 90 degrees away from each other and I am on the clock trying to figure out wind holds. I currently use Sig 10k, and previously the Vortex Fury AB. The Vector X seems like the best option now, but would really seal the deal with that feature.
and supposedly sig with the 10k gen2FYI: In my research the only Manufacturer that has an unlimited warranty for their range finders and/or binocular rangefinders (to include the electronics) is Maven and Vortex. All others only warranty the electronics are 3-5 years.
I read that in the 10kgen2 thread, but their website still says 5 years from manufacturing date for electronics. Have you read something from Sig?and supposedly sig with the 10k gen2
I believe you're correct. Just read the newest Sig warranty on electronic is 5 yrs. I updated my post. Be advised Sig warranty states from Date of Manufacture.I read that in the 10kgen2 thread, but their website still says 5 years from manufacturing date for electronics. Have you read something from Sig?
I'm holding out on any purchase until Kestrel makes their announcement
Any clue if the extender add-on will be shipping to you at the same time? Could they be pre-ordered at the same time?We are taking a list on our site to calculate how many we need for pre-order for nothing down for now
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Any clue if the extender add-on will be shipping to you at the same time? Could they be pre-ordered at the same time?
He will get those added todayGood question, I'll ask my Web guy to add those on the site
Richard
Just crawled out from under my rock, what announcement is Kestrel making?I'm holding out on any purchase until Kestrel makes their announcement
What geology of rock?Just crawled out from under my rock, what announcement is Kestrel making?
... crawling back under my rock (I like my rock).