Anyone who says CZs never have feeding issues is full of shit. I see it happen at matches. When an AICS mag .22 is set up right they run fine.
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"when" is carrying alot of water...
It’s not hard but a lot of people don’t do it and then complain. As mentioned earlier in this thread it has to be set right height to put the small bullet in the small hole.
The issues were notably worse with the higher volume of barreled actions being shipped. Pretty easy to track the history.
MB
I didn’t say they never had issues Rob. Compare the numbers service vs problems. Kind of like a custom sports car. Without expert tuning and/or a significant period of amateur self education that is super frustrating after spending $5K, disappointment happens often. I say this as an owner who ran 100+ rounds through my Duece today using Voodoo mags and MKM extensions. I am many $10K down this rabbit hole. I know of what I speak. I recommend to upgrading shooters either a full boutique custom build delivered turn key including ammo tested in the chassis, or a CZ. Unless they like kicking themselves in the balls.
They don’t need a full turn key but need to be aware how to make the mags run. None of my Vudoos were full guns. Only barreled actions. Had one in a Manners and it was having issues. Dropped it into another Manners and ran like a top. My present set ups in Matrix Pros run great too. Very rarely is there an issue. Just like a CZ. It’s all about how you set it up. Too many people buy barreled actions and have no clue what they are doing. It just takes a little adjustments and they run fine.
That’s education and experience talking though. Imagine you didn’t have that, but did have $5K. Where would you spend your second $5K?
That’s what these forums are for. To help them if they have an issue so they don’t need to spend a second $5k.
I sure as hell wouldn’t go back to a CZ after running a 700 footprint rifle. Even if Vudoo shots the bed I would go with a RimX or maybe something new coming out.
Tikkas do have feeding issues too, but for the most part they are very very reliable.
You can slap most CZs and Tikkas on a bag/barricade, and never have to worry about inducing a fault.
Not saying that any company shouldn't use AICS pattern (for better or worse it seems most people do what that).
Just pointing out that there may be some advantages to the hanger style magazines.
Not that I think Mike needs my opinion.
These are good points and to be learned from. What should've happened is a published education series that welcomes new shooters/owners into the fold and part of the series is how to properly set up a barreled action. Those experiencing the issues aren't to blame.
MB
Grey Ops didn't create this for no reason.
Again not saying AICS magazines are bad (not even close) but if a manufacturer was looking to think outside the box, magazines are place to do something different.
You're absolutely right. Magazine hangers directly attached to the receiver are a good way to go and there is an application where I'll use one, just not on a true-to-scale receiver.
And, I'm always open to your opinion, Dude.
MB
A couple of day ago I was inclined to remind you of the value of the Vudoo videos. Didn't want to overload you with suggestions but as I read what you wrote above I think you got there on your own. I think more than the technical exchange it also has benefits in marketing and community building.
Ok, I've started the process of mass emailing to make sure I have what's needed to categorize who has what generation of action and to complete what's needed to streamline the ordering process. I've been sending 10 emails at a time today and the first 50 have gone out. I'll continue with this through the remainder of the weekend and into Monday, so if you haven't received the email yet, you'll see it by the end of Monday.
If one isn't sure what generation one has, there's a post in this thread, page 229, post # 11,418 or click this link:
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/15PcSv9yC7/ to join the DDG Private Group on FB by clicking JOIN and I will approve you. Once you're approved, go to FEATURED and you'll see the information on how to determine which Gen you have.
Thanks,
MB
If one isn't sure what generation one has, there's a post in this thread, page 229, post # 11,418 or click this link:
https://www.facebook.com/share/g/15PcSv9yC7/ to join the DDG Private Group on FB by clicking JOIN and I will approve you. Once you're approved, go to FEATURED and you'll see the information on how to determine which Gen you have.
Thanks,
MB
If you've not received an email yet from my mass mailing, this is what you'll be getting sometime today:
If you're receiving this email, it's because you've expressed an interest in a parts kit for your V22. I'm taking the required next steps to organize orders, and I now need a little more info. Please respond to this email with:
In the subject line, please put one or more of the following:
Please don't write anything else in the subject line. If you do not know what Gen you have, please refer to the Featured post in the DeLane Development Group FB page (link below in signature line) and look at the pictures. If you're not a member of the FB private group, please click JOIN, and I will approve you.
Please also provide:
Full Name
Address
Phone Number
Please do not write anything else, anywhere else.
Thank you, and all the best.
If you have received an email and responded with the info, thank you very much. I'm manually farming the email data, so I can't guarantee that you won't receive it twice, but if you've not received an email by Tuesday, it's safe to say I missed you somehow and you can send an email to [email protected] with the above info.
Thank you to everyone that has pulled together in this.
MB
If you're receiving this email, it's because you've expressed an interest in a parts kit for your V22. I'm taking the required next steps to organize orders, and I now need a little more info. Please respond to this email with:
In the subject line, please put one or more of the following:
- Gen 1
- Gen 1.2
- Gen 2
- Gen 3 Repeater
- Gen 3 Single Shot (V22S)
Please don't write anything else in the subject line. If you do not know what Gen you have, please refer to the Featured post in the DeLane Development Group FB page (link below in signature line) and look at the pictures. If you're not a member of the FB private group, please click JOIN, and I will approve you.
Please also provide:
Full Name
Address
Phone Number
Please do not write anything else, anywhere else.
Thank you, and all the best.
If you have received an email and responded with the info, thank you very much. I'm manually farming the email data, so I can't guarantee that you won't receive it twice, but if you've not received an email by Tuesday, it's safe to say I missed you somehow and you can send an email to [email protected] with the above info.
Thank you to everyone that has pulled together in this.
MB
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This is a good question and some have asked it on FB as well. You can put both Gens in the subject line, ex: Gen 1/Gen 3 and the one email will get routed to the appropriate folders. No need to reply twice.
Thanks, Dude.
MB
Ok, I am back to catch up on the thread.
Is there a plan for a new magazine design for the rifles already out there or is it all designing to a new repeater platform?
I am waiting for the new DeLane straight pull integrally silenced .32 S&W Long and ..38 Special switch barrel rifle that takes a Sten style mag….. In day glo orange or arctic cat green.
oh and the DeLane match ammo company. OK that last one is a bit far fetched but would be wonderful if we had a U.S. company that would actually make match grade rimfire ammo instead of floor sweeping grade rubbish in a box that says match.
I thought I already joined the FBgroup but apparently not but just did so.
Is there a plan for a new magazine design for the rifles already out there or is it all designing to a new repeater platform?
I am waiting for the new DeLane straight pull integrally silenced .32 S&W Long and ..38 Special switch barrel rifle that takes a Sten style mag….. In day glo orange or arctic cat green.
oh and the DeLane match ammo company. OK that last one is a bit far fetched but would be wonderful if we had a U.S. company that would actually make match grade rimfire ammo instead of floor sweeping grade rubbish in a box that says match.
I thought I already joined the FBgroup but apparently not but just did so.
I have become a straight-pull fanboy, sporting two Anschutz 1727's along side my Vudoo GenI, but Mike has already ruled out a straight-pull action.
We do have US based ammo plants that produce 22LR and (like you describe) they already produce ammo they call "match grade".
I don't understand why they can't make rimfire ammo that meets/beats Lapua, Eley, SK, etc from across the pond. At one time ( quite a while ago) Federal Gold Medal was the "Gold Standard" in many shooter's view although I always shot Lapua Midas L or M back in those days.
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Yessir, there is a new magazine in the works that will be backward compatible with the V22.Ok, I am back to catch up on the thread.
Is there a plan for a new magazine design for the rifles already out there or is it all designing to a new repeater platform?
I am waiting for the new DeLane straight pull integrally silenced .32 S&W Long and ..38 Special switch barrel rifle that takes a Sten style mag….. In day glo orange or arctic cat green.
oh and the DeLane match ammo company. OK that last one is a bit far fetched but would be wonderful if we had a U.S. company that would actually make match grade rimfire ammo instead of floor sweeping grade rubbish in a box that says match.
I thought I already joined the FBgroup but apparently not but just did so.
MB
Just make sure it works and doesn’t shave lead even though it’ll feed “all day long.”
I'm going to publish a video series and part of it will be how to properly set up stocks and chassis systems for reliable feeding. Shaving lead is not a magazine issue, it's a setup/tuning issue. A video about proper setup should've been done long ago.
MB
Did vudoo put a radius on the chamber face? I know it’s on the rimx tenon print. My vudoo would shave bullets sometimes. My rimx does not. I don’t remember my vudoo having a radius around the edge of the chamber face.
For the life of me I could not get my Stinger mag to not shave on my Vudoo. I’m not stranger to adjusting mags but even then couldn’t find a sweet spot that it liked where it would feed without shaving. I know it’s not a VGW product. Kind of why I quoted feeds all day long. Yeah mine would feed all day but 100% shaved each and every time.
With my chamber, yes, but I took my chamber with me when I left, and I don't know what they were doing after that.
MB
Ah, gotcha, makes sense. I have no experience what that magazine so can't speak one way or the other, but I know when guys had the same issues while using my mag that I was able to make adjustments to clear it up.
MB
To the best of my knowledge (and memory) they were still calling it a Ravage Chamber as of January 2024
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