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Not 50 rounds but this was fun at 225 yards. The left two shots were sighters on the target.
Nice LP, that's putting them in there. What ammo?
SK Standard Plus. I did a silhouette match from 50-200m. This steel was a few yards behind the last silhouette row. I went 29 for 30 on the 100, 150, 200 shots, only missing one shooting under until I adjusted my scope up .2mil and was hitting pretty dead center. Really surprised at how SK Standard Plus was shooting for me (and that's all I had). I went back home to do a quick 6x5 and wasn't that impressed, but not bad for $5/box.
I guess a 1" vertical at 100 yards, is about a 4" vertical at 200 yards so it makes sense... I e-mailed the store that sold me my Pistol Match Special to see how many rounds they have left... going to order whatever they have left in that Lot #.
What's the status on your IBI barrel?
I guess a 1" vertical at 100 yards, is about a 4" vertical at 200 yards so it makes sense... I e-mailed the store that sold me my Pistol Match Special to see how many rounds they have left... going to order whatever they have left in that Lot #.
What's the status on your IBI barrel?
Someone mentioned F-Class rimfire?
I've got the correct bipod for it.
I'm not sure if the firearm I choose to use is allowed.
Learning how my grip changes affect results has been entertaining.
Look at the difference in results with only a minor shift in how I rest my hand on the rear bags.
From what I can tell, I'm lifting the butt at the moment of squeeze
due to the change in the muscle shape of the heel of my hand.
Always fun learning how to do something new.
200 yards, F-class Browning Buckmark Silhouette on a Sinclair bipod.
That's a Burris EER AO scope on top. Clear view of those aim points at 200.
I've got the correct bipod for it.
I'm not sure if the firearm I choose to use is allowed.
Learning how my grip changes affect results has been entertaining.
Look at the difference in results with only a minor shift in how I rest my hand on the rear bags.
From what I can tell, I'm lifting the butt at the moment of squeeze
due to the change in the muscle shape of the heel of my hand.
Always fun learning how to do something new.
200 yards, F-class Browning Buckmark Silhouette on a Sinclair bipod.
That's a Burris EER AO scope on top. Clear view of those aim points at 200.
Learning how my grip changes affect results has been entertaining.
Look at the difference in results with only a minor shift in how I rest my hand on the rear bags.
From what I can tell, I'm lifting the butt at the moment of squeeze
due to the change in the muscle shape of the heel of my hand.
Always fun learning how to do something new.
200 yards, F-class Browning Buckmark Silhouette on a Sinclair bipod.
That's a Burris EER AO scope on top. Clear view of those aim points at 200.
Yup, that's one of the things I soon learned when I started doing precision shooting with center fire rifles and why I set my triggers to pull less than 1 lb to minimize any input I might induce during the trigger's lock time and the bullet dwell time.
The Browning Buckmark Silhouette was the first gun I used in IHMSA way back in 1992-93.
Not exactly what you are asking for, but here's a target I shot a couple of years ago. It's the official NRA 200-yard smallbore target, X-ring is 2" (1 MOA) and 10-ring is 4" (2 MOA). This was shot in a match with pulled targets (fire a shot, target puller pulls target to mark for score, then runs it back up), which is why the pasters are covering the holes. This target has exactly 50 shots on it; 2 separate 20-shot strings with sighters. First string was 8 sighters (9, 9, 10, 10, 9, 9, X, X), then score of 200-9x for record. Second was 2 sighters (X, 10), then 197-7x for record. Outside of the initial 8 sighters, 37 out of 42 shots were inside the 2 MOA 10-ring, and the group is pretty well-centered.
Ammo was Eley Center-X fired from an Anschutz 2013, from NRA prone position with sling and iron sights. Also attached is a 100-yard 10-shot target (100-10x) from the same rifle shot at a regular smallbore match. X-ring is 1"/1 MOA.
Ammo was Eley Center-X fired from an Anschutz 2013, from NRA prone position with sling and iron sights. Also attached is a 100-yard 10-shot target (100-10x) from the same rifle shot at a regular smallbore match. X-ring is 1"/1 MOA.
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Rick,
Thank you. It was very calm, winds 1-3 mph at most. In fact, it was the nicest condition I’ve ever shot in at that club. A lot of people say that shooting a .22lr at 200 is comparable to shooting a .308 with 155’s at 1000, but I disagree. I’ve shot a lot at 1000 with a Palma rifle and 155’s, and have shot a lot of clean scores. By contrast, the 200 on the 200-yard smallbore target posted above is the only one that’s ever been fired in my state. If there’s any wind at all, 200 yards with a .22 is a heck of a lot harder than 1000 with 155’s.
Thank you. It was very calm, winds 1-3 mph at most. In fact, it was the nicest condition I’ve ever shot in at that club. A lot of people say that shooting a .22lr at 200 is comparable to shooting a .308 with 155’s at 1000, but I disagree. I’ve shot a lot at 1000 with a Palma rifle and 155’s, and have shot a lot of clean scores. By contrast, the 200 on the 200-yard smallbore target posted above is the only one that’s ever been fired in my state. If there’s any wind at all, 200 yards with a .22 is a heck of a lot harder than 1000 with 155’s.
End of the year, 2019, last bit of range time at 200 yards.
Pulled the BBBmag test platform off the shelf and reassembled it.
And the first 5 shots at 200 yards produced a random act of accuracy.
Sub-moa...should have stopped right there.
That way I could say "all day long".
Browning 25 grain 17wsm rated 2600 fps.
It's relabeled Winchester production.
Same box, different tip color, Winchester date code on the end flap.
Quick inspection showed broken off ballistic tips, uneven seating depths,
tilted bullets, differing brass dimensions...that's that minimal Winchester quality control.
200 fps ES and the cartridge defects created some spread.
Second box showed more visible defects.
Tips bent or misshapen and uneven bullet seating.
ES was better, only 100 fps, half that of the first box.
1 failure to fire. 4 retries and no joy.
All deep clean strikes, no primer in the rim.
Pulled the BBBmag test platform off the shelf and reassembled it.
And the first 5 shots at 200 yards produced a random act of accuracy.
Sub-moa...should have stopped right there.
That way I could say "all day long".
Browning 25 grain 17wsm rated 2600 fps.
It's relabeled Winchester production.
Same box, different tip color, Winchester date code on the end flap.
Quick inspection showed broken off ballistic tips, uneven seating depths,
tilted bullets, differing brass dimensions...that's that minimal Winchester quality control.
200 fps ES and the cartridge defects created some spread.
Second box showed more visible defects.
Tips bent or misshapen and uneven bullet seating.
ES was better, only 100 fps, half that of the first box.
1 failure to fire. 4 retries and no joy.
All deep clean strikes, no primer in the rim.
Not sure if this thread is still active but I have thoroughly enjoyed it so I’ll add mine to it. Rifle is a Vudoo V22 in a KRG bravo with an Athlon Ares ETR. Was shot off a Harris bipod with a tab gear rear bag. Ammo was Lapua Center-X that’s decent at best in my rifle. I will admit it was getting dark on me so I rushed it a little but tried to shoot in the wind lulls as best I could. Not sure how accurate chrono data is because I was using a cheap Caldwell chrono. Fun experiment and I’ll definitely try it again when I have a little more time and with several different ammo brands.
Sweet. Vertical spread matches ES.
44 fps at 200 yards, 1/10 inch per fps difference, 4.4 inches.
Can't complain when the results match the chronograph numbers.
Thread's not dead, just waiting for more folks to show their results.
Winter is not the best time for long range rimfire in the snowbelt.
I'm waiting on some range work to be completed before adding any more results.
44 fps at 200 yards, 1/10 inch per fps difference, 4.4 inches.
Can't complain when the results match the chronograph numbers.
Thread's not dead, just waiting for more folks to show their results.
Winter is not the best time for long range rimfire in the snowbelt.
I'm waiting on some range work to be completed before adding any more results.
Nope, not computer literate enough.
Even my typing skills are limited to two finger hunt and peck.
I can tell ya' my best results came from the top grades of Lapua, Eley and a box of SK Biathlon Sport in 22 lr.
The 17 hmr and 17wsm did well also, with results varying box to box.
Those are, after all, CCI and Winchester production.
Even my typing skills are limited to two finger hunt and peck.
I can tell ya' my best results came from the top grades of Lapua, Eley and a box of SK Biathlon Sport in 22 lr.
The 17 hmr and 17wsm did well also, with results varying box to box.
Those are, after all, CCI and Winchester production.
Just curious have you done 50 @ 200 with Lapua X-act? I‘ve never shot anything that expensive but was wondering what kind of ES those real high end ammos give. Every ammo I’ve fed my Vudoo shoots very well at 100 and in, but when stretching it out to 200, 300, 400 and beyond the higher end stuff really starts to shine. ES is everything in 22LR ELR!
been shooting the Vudoo at 200 a couple times the last couple weeks. SK st plus has outshot the center x so far, just shooting 10 rnd groups. Going to set up the labradar tomorrow(weather premitting) and do some serious testing with the center x, sk st plus, sk lr match, and the new sk long range. We'll see what happens . Shot some of that SK standard in a can yesterday, shoots good to 50, not so good after that.
I think he did. It had like 55fps ES or so.
Not even Eley red had good ES.
At 50m, where eley competitive cartridges are optimized, ES of 50 is almost good enough. It causes a rise of about 0.5" in group size. That is not bad for 50 shots. If both min and max shot hit the same target, it can be seen.
At the moment I have CCI SV that has ES of 45fps with 40 shots and 35 ES with 25 shots.
Too bad it isn't the most accurate, but it makes me wonder, how CCI can do it at 50 for $2.8 and Eley cannot do it with $21?
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Link to X-Act and Biathlon X-treme results
I have found that variations in production quality affect even the top grades of 22lr.
That's the reason why lot testing at the factory sponsored facilities are so important to the top competitors.
With the retail supply lottery you have no guarantee of results, only a general indication.
Storage in the warehouse and handing during shipping can have majorly negative effects on the cartridges also.
I have found that variations in production quality affect even the top grades of 22lr.
That's the reason why lot testing at the factory sponsored facilities are so important to the top competitors.
With the retail supply lottery you have no guarantee of results, only a general indication.
Storage in the warehouse and handing during shipping can have majorly negative effects on the cartridges also.
Thanks man, I guess my lazy ass should have looked first. I overheard someone talking about X-act the other day and they were claiming every time they tested it they got ES in the teens. I really had a hard time believing it but I guess I need to pony up and buy a few boxes to test. Really interesting thread you have going here.
In keeping with the current discussion of 22wmr accuracy...
CCI VNT 30 grain ballistic tip 22wmr rated 2200 fps
Bullet is not a Hornady product. Made in house by CCI/Speer.
Thin jacket for more expansion.
CZ 455 Fuglie barrel block rig with Feddersen stubby barrel
Visual check showed irregular case mouths, uneven seating depths
canted bullets, not a surprise from CCI
ES about 250 fps, target results not a surprise either.
10 inches of spread at 200 yards.
Expect 3.3 inches at 100 yards
1.1 inch at 50 yards
and 0.3 at 25 yards
CCI VNT 30 grain ballistic tip 22wmr rated 2200 fps
Bullet is not a Hornady product. Made in house by CCI/Speer.
Thin jacket for more expansion.
CZ 455 Fuglie barrel block rig with Feddersen stubby barrel
Visual check showed irregular case mouths, uneven seating depths
canted bullets, not a surprise from CCI
ES about 250 fps, target results not a surprise either.
10 inches of spread at 200 yards.
Expect 3.3 inches at 100 yards
1.1 inch at 50 yards
and 0.3 at 25 yards
There goes 50 bucks down the tube.
1 dollar gone every time I squeezed the trigger.
That's the cost of shooting RWS 22wmr.
RWS FMJ 40 grain 22wmr rated 1952 fps
CZ 455 Fuglie, Feddersen 16.5 inch barrel, Mueller 8-32x44 target scope
200 fps ES for 50 shots
the ballistic calculator says expect 7 inches of vertical spread
It's 22wmr...hunting ammo...not for serious paper punching
1 dollar gone every time I squeezed the trigger.
That's the cost of shooting RWS 22wmr.
RWS FMJ 40 grain 22wmr rated 1952 fps
CZ 455 Fuglie, Feddersen 16.5 inch barrel, Mueller 8-32x44 target scope
200 fps ES for 50 shots
the ballistic calculator says expect 7 inches of vertical spread
It's 22wmr...hunting ammo...not for serious paper punching
And another 50 bucks.
RWS 40 grain JSP 22wmr rated 1952 fps
455 Fuglie, Feddersen stubby barrel
Again in excess of 200 fps ES, expect at least 7 inches of vertical
The rest is me mistiming the squeeze and the side berm created turbulence.
Velocity fluctuations are almost non-existent? Really?
Or maybe it was translated from German incorrectly.
I think RWS might need to recalibrate their chronographs.
Mine shows in excess of 200 fps ES from every box tried.
RWS 40 grain JSP 22wmr rated 1952 fps
455 Fuglie, Feddersen stubby barrel
Again in excess of 200 fps ES, expect at least 7 inches of vertical
The rest is me mistiming the squeeze and the side berm created turbulence.
Velocity fluctuations are almost non-existent? Really?
Or maybe it was translated from German incorrectly.
I think RWS might need to recalibrate their chronographs.
Mine shows in excess of 200 fps ES from every box tried.
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Eley Semi-auto Benchrest Precision 40 grain 22lr, rated 1080 fps
Lot # 1219-02321
Why did I offer the lot number this time?
Very surprised by the chrony numbers from a midgrade cartridge.
ES of 29 fps for the first 50 shots, 25 fps for the second 50.
Had to check the numbers twice on the chrony...thought I was reading it wrong.
Daaaayyyyyyuuuummmmmmm!
That's better than my results with ammo costing much more per round.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja barrel, Sinclair bipod, 200 yards
Clear lubricant, no plating, looks like a new cast lead bullet just out of the mold.
Minimal visible defects, clean uniform crimp...good looking cartridges.
Freshly cleaned bore with the chamber scrubbed to clear the carbon ring,
and started out by sending 5 at the steel to fine tune the scope.
Then the remaining 45 on target. Vertical is tailwind and clean barrel.
As the barrel regained it's lubrication, trajectories tightened up.
I could see the bullets spinning into the backer in tighter and tighter paths.
The second 50 did extremely well, even with the tailwind.
Fully lubricated bore and a better feel for the wind changes on my end.
Really didn't expect this new cartridge from Eley to do this well.
I'd buy it again. It'd be some very decent hunting ammo.
Lot # 1219-02321
Why did I offer the lot number this time?
Very surprised by the chrony numbers from a midgrade cartridge.
ES of 29 fps for the first 50 shots, 25 fps for the second 50.
Had to check the numbers twice on the chrony...thought I was reading it wrong.
Daaaayyyyyyuuuummmmmmm!
That's better than my results with ammo costing much more per round.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja barrel, Sinclair bipod, 200 yards
Clear lubricant, no plating, looks like a new cast lead bullet just out of the mold.
Minimal visible defects, clean uniform crimp...good looking cartridges.
Freshly cleaned bore with the chamber scrubbed to clear the carbon ring,
and started out by sending 5 at the steel to fine tune the scope.
Then the remaining 45 on target. Vertical is tailwind and clean barrel.
As the barrel regained it's lubrication, trajectories tightened up.
I could see the bullets spinning into the backer in tighter and tighter paths.
The second 50 did extremely well, even with the tailwind.
Fully lubricated bore and a better feel for the wind changes on my end.
Really didn't expect this new cartridge from Eley to do this well.
I'd buy it again. It'd be some very decent hunting ammo.
What is the claimed accuracy of the chronograph you use? I'm looking to buy a chronograph to test 22lr ammo and I'm having trouble finding the percent accuracy.Eley Semi-auto Benchrest Precision 40 grain 22lr, rated 1080 fps
Lot # 1219-02321
Why did I offer the lot number this time?
Very surprised by the chrony numbers from a midgrade cartridge.
ES of 29 fps for the first 50 shots, 25 fps for the second 50.
Had to check the numbers twice on the chrony...thought I was reading it wrong.
Daaaayyyyyyuuuummmmmmm!
That's better than my results with ammo costing much more per round.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja barrel, Sinclair bipod, 200 yards
Clear lubricant, no plating, looks like a new cast lead bullet just out of the mold.
Minimal visible defects, clean uniform crimp...good looking cartridges.
Freshly cleaned bore with the chamber scrubbed to clear the carbon ring,
and started out by sending 5 at the steel to fine tune the scope.
Then the remaining 45 on target. Vertical is tailwind and clean barrel.
As the barrel regained it's lubrication, trajectories tightened up.
I could see the bullets spinning into the backer in tighter and tighter paths.
The second 50 did extremely well, even with the tailwind.
Fully lubricated bore and a better feel for the wind changes on my end.
Really didn't expect this new cartridge from Eley to do this well.
I'd buy it again. It'd be some very decent hunting ammo.
I'm using this one, Jeff...
www.midwayusa.com
Specs at the bottom of the linked page.
Bought it on sale, been using it for over 3 years.
I test it regularly using my AirKing springer which averages 910 fps with a 14 gr pellet.
Cover the optical sensor openings with clear packing tape to keep the sensors clean.
GSR muzzle blast deposits on the sensors otherwise, degrading sensitivity.
Wipe the tape clean after each use, replace tape when it yellows.
Cheap, durable, effective.
I use it also to check my 223 hand loads.
Does the job. What more can I ask?
Competition Electronics ProChrono Pal Chronograph
The ProChrono Pal accurately measures the velocity of almost anything that shoots at an economical price with its large shooting area and simple setup....
www.midwayusa.com Specs at the bottom of the linked page.
Bought it on sale, been using it for over 3 years.
I test it regularly using my AirKing springer which averages 910 fps with a 14 gr pellet.
Cover the optical sensor openings with clear packing tape to keep the sensors clean.
GSR muzzle blast deposits on the sensors otherwise, degrading sensitivity.
Wipe the tape clean after each use, replace tape when it yellows.
Cheap, durable, effective.
I use it also to check my 223 hand loads.
Does the job. What more can I ask?
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If I was to buy chrono now I might take the FX Pocket Chronograph.
Chronographs - FX Airguns
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I do this every Thursday as I use it to teach a guy how to read the wind, flags, mirage, spot, give corrections and work a ballistics solution.
We then move around so everything is always UKD and have targets spread on a berm. Nothing is less than 165yards and maxes at around 240 depending where we are.
He's slowly seen how just a few mph wind can totally screw you.
Primarily use Lapua Midas or Center X (have not seen a difference in them at all so really started going with the cheaper CenterX) but still see misses that are dead on windage, yet after 2-3 hits, all of a sudden are a few inches above or below the plate, and then back to hits without changing anything. The thin yet long bowling pin type targets are ideal for these ranges as they can absorb alot of the ES oddities that you can't control.
I remember there was some decent supersonic 22LR but can't remember what it was. Anyone remember?
We then move around so everything is always UKD and have targets spread on a berm. Nothing is less than 165yards and maxes at around 240 depending where we are.
He's slowly seen how just a few mph wind can totally screw you.
Primarily use Lapua Midas or Center X (have not seen a difference in them at all so really started going with the cheaper CenterX) but still see misses that are dead on windage, yet after 2-3 hits, all of a sudden are a few inches above or below the plate, and then back to hits without changing anything. The thin yet long bowling pin type targets are ideal for these ranges as they can absorb alot of the ES oddities that you can't control.
I remember there was some decent supersonic 22LR but can't remember what it was. Anyone remember?
Eley Semi-auto Benchrest Precision 40 grain 22lr, rated 1080 fps
Lot # 1219-02321
Why did I offer the lot number this time?
Very surprised by the chrony numbers from a midgrade cartridge.
ES of 29 fps for the first 50 shots, 25 fps for the second 50.
Had to check the numbers twice on the chrony...thought I was reading it wrong.
Daaaayyyyyyuuuummmmmmm!
That's better than my results with ammo costing much more per round.
CZ 455 Varmint, Lilja barrel, Sinclair bipod, 200 yards
Clear lubricant, no plating, looks like a new cast lead bullet just out of the mold.
Minimal visible defects, clean uniform crimp...good looking cartridges.
Freshly cleaned bore with the chamber scrubbed to clear the carbon ring,
and started out by sending 5 at the steel to fine tune the scope.
Then the remaining 45 on target. Vertical is tailwind and clean barrel.
As the barrel regained it's lubrication, trajectories tightened up.
I could see the bullets spinning into the backer in tighter and tighter paths.
The second 50 did extremely well, even with the tailwind.
Fully lubricated bore and a better feel for the wind changes on my end.
Really didn't expect this new cartridge from Eley to do this well.
I'd buy it again. It'd be some very decent hunting ammo.
This has become my match ammo. My chrono numbers are pretty close to yours and my groups @ 50 yds have been really good out of my T1X. I have two different lots (thanks, MidwayUSA) but they're both equally consistent and accurate. Hopefully it stays like this over time.
Was it this, @TheGerman?
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Thanks for the link. The built in accuracy error could be 22 fps with match ammo, that seems like a lot to me.I'm using this one, Jeff...
Competition Electronics ProChrono Pal Chronograph
The ProChrono Pal accurately measures the velocity of almost anything that shoots at an economical price with its large shooting area and simple setup....
Specs at the bottom of the linked page.
Bought it on sale, been using it for over 3 years.
I test it regularly using my AirKing springer which averages 910 fps with a 14 gr pellet.
Cover the optical sensor openings with clear packing tape to keep the sensors clean.
GSR muzzle blast deposits on the sensors otherwise, degrading sensitivity.
Wipe the tape clean after each use, replace tape when it yellows.
Cheap, durable, effective.
I use it also to check my 223 hand loads.
Does the job. What more can I ask?
That + or - error is due to the mechanical assembly.
Slightly out of alignment horizontally or along direction of travel
will give slightly slower readings than a perfect alignment would.
I don't worry about absolute fps as much as the difference between shots.
All those shots across the same chrony setup from the same rifle position
will provide a fairly accurate calculation of the differences in mv,
which is what I really care about.
All my results are at the same distance from the muzzle across a leveled and aligned chronograph.
The ES is my real priority. 2% of 100 fps ES is okay with me.
For that the cheap chrony is good enough.
Slightly out of alignment horizontally or along direction of travel
will give slightly slower readings than a perfect alignment would.
I don't worry about absolute fps as much as the difference between shots.
All those shots across the same chrony setup from the same rifle position
will provide a fairly accurate calculation of the differences in mv,
which is what I really care about.
All my results are at the same distance from the muzzle across a leveled and aligned chronograph.
The ES is my real priority. 2% of 100 fps ES is okay with me.
For that the cheap chrony is good enough.
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The possible error of 22 FPS is almost the same as your ES of 25 FPS. It looks like that it would be difficult to draw conclusions on the quality of the ammo with that much possible error.
I didn't explain it well enough.
The absolute value may be off, but the relative values are correct.
So the calculation of ES will be correct,
but the actual measurements may be consistently off by a small percentage.
Did that make sense?
Assume a worst case -2% error.
1000 fps on the chrony display.
Actual fps would be 980 fps.
Next shot shows 1020 fps on the display.
Actual will be 999.6 fps.
20 fps difference by chrony, 19.6 actual.
The relative difference of ES is close enough.
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The absolute value may be off, but the relative values are correct.
So the calculation of ES will be correct,
but the actual measurements may be consistently off by a small percentage.
Did that make sense?
Assume a worst case -2% error.
1000 fps on the chrony display.
Actual fps would be 980 fps.
Next shot shows 1020 fps on the display.
Actual will be 999.6 fps.
20 fps difference by chrony, 19.6 actual.
The relative difference of ES is close enough.
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If I was to buy chrono now I might take the FX Pocket Chronograph.
Have not tried it myself yet though.Chronographs - FX Airguns
I bought one and just returned it. It is accurate... once it is tuned. And has to be in the exact same location, distance, angle etc. So unless you can control all those factors, and have a separate chrono help you tune it, (and not cause interference with the pocket chrono) then it works. I had a magnetospeed and it running at the same time. I had to tune it down about 1.5% and got the #'s to match.
Took off the magnetospeed and the radar started giving different readings since the magnetospeed was a piece of metal in front of it, so I had to tune it for when I didn't have a magnetospeed, but of course I didn't know the exact measurements, just tuned it for the last measured avg the magnetospeed had.
For $200, I just didn't think it was worth it, and to have to tune it. Rather just pay the $350 for a magnetospeed.
Breaking in a new 22lr factory barrel for my CZ 455 Varmint.
Might as well use up some of the bulk cartridges.
Winchester 36 grain cphp rated 1280 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, factory barrel, heavy bags
Not anywhere near the best ammo I've seen.
Too many defects visible to expect a tight group at 200 yards.
Holding the scope settings for 50 yards, aim point was the white bullseye.
Impact about 54 inches lower
Not as bad as CCI Copper...
Over 100 fps ES, ten inches of spread.
Expect 3.3 inches at 100 yards, 1.1 inch at 50 yards, 0.35 at 25 yards.
Short range hunting and plinking cartridges
Might as well use up some of the bulk cartridges.
Winchester 36 grain cphp rated 1280 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, factory barrel, heavy bags
Not anywhere near the best ammo I've seen.
Too many defects visible to expect a tight group at 200 yards.
Holding the scope settings for 50 yards, aim point was the white bullseye.
Impact about 54 inches lower
Not as bad as CCI Copper...
Over 100 fps ES, ten inches of spread.
Expect 3.3 inches at 100 yards, 1.1 inch at 50 yards, 0.35 at 25 yards.
Short range hunting and plinking cartridges
I never had good luck with Winchester 36 grain ammo, with my precision, but there 40 grain great for grouping at 100 yards, that's the furthest distance at the range I shoot.
I find Agula Super Extra 40 Grain are accurate for me., but ammo prices going through the ceiling.
I find Agula Super Extra 40 Grain are accurate for me., but ammo prices going through the ceiling.
Breaking in a new 22lr factory barrel for my CZ 455 Varmint.
Might as well use up some of the bulk cartridges.
Winchester 36 grain cphp rated 1280 fps
CZ 455 Varmint, factory barrel, heavy bags
Not anywhere near the best ammo I've seen.
Too many defects visible to expect a tight group at 200 yards.
Holding the scope settings for 50 yards, aim point was the white bullseye.
Impact about 54 inches lower
Not as bad as CCI Copper...
Over 100 fps ES, ten inches of spread.
Expect 3.3 inches at 100 yards, 1.1 inch at 50 yards, 0.35 at 25 yards.
Short range hunting and plinking cartridges
I've had the same kind of results with that bulk pack for both POI's and chrono data, though my data is from sets of 10 shots instead of 50. Occasionally, some 10 shot groups did relatively well with SD's in the teens and ES's in the low 40's. And as you say, there's "too many defects" to get good groups and to have a good probability of hitting something like a squirrel or rabbit when hunting, one had better be at a pretty close range. . . otherwise, it's just luck and little to do with skill.
But, I don't mind using this ammo out of a pistol as I find it performs well in terms of penetration and expansion and we're talking "sort" range with something like a 5.5" barrel.
What do you think would happen with Winchester 40 grain hi-v copper washed 22lr at 200 yards?
I'd tell ya' to expect 8 to 14 inches of spread...now what would happen if ya' had a stash of old production 22lr Winchester?
Supposing ya' had a nice old 40X to work with and a stash of the blue/red box power points?
Winchester 40 grain copper washed Power Points, 1280 fps, old production
That ain't supposed to happen! Supersonic transition won't let that happen, right?
Well it would seem the transition doesn't affect the lowly 22lr....not at all.
That's as good as I can do with my Lilja and I have to use subsonic match ammo.
Daaaaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuummmmmm!
I'd tell ya' to expect 8 to 14 inches of spread...now what would happen if ya' had a stash of old production 22lr Winchester?
Supposing ya' had a nice old 40X to work with and a stash of the blue/red box power points?
Winchester 40 grain copper washed Power Points, 1280 fps, old production
That ain't supposed to happen! Supersonic transition won't let that happen, right?
Well it would seem the transition doesn't affect the lowly 22lr....not at all.
That's as good as I can do with my Lilja and I have to use subsonic match ammo.
Daaaaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuummmmmm!
keep challenging your self to shoot an ever shrinking target . Good luck and only you can improve your shooting and prevent forest fires .
I use those old boxs of shells to keep folks from hurting themselves send them to me !What do you think would happen with Winchester 40 grain hi-v copper washed 22lr at 200 yards?
I'd tell ya' to expect 8 to 14 inches of spread...now what would happen if ya' had a stash of old production 22lr Winchester?
Supposing ya' had a nice old 40X to work with and a stash of the blue/red box power points?
Winchester 40 grain copper washed Power Points, 1280 fps, old production
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That ain't supposed to happen! Supersonic transition won't let that happen, right?
Well it would seem the transition doesn't affect the lowly 22lr....not at all.
That's as good as I can do with my Lilja and I have to use subsonic match ammo.
Daaaaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuummmmmm!
dont hurt yourself I've got some beater iron I'll burn them in !Better send the old outdated Iron to I'll depose of it properly in a SaFFFFe ! place !
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