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A serious conversation on the Nazi Platform as it overlays modern America.

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  • Sep 17, 2004
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    So, this is meant to be a serious discussion about how the Nazi platform fits into our modern poltical landscape.

    Our overlords use the phrase "Literally Hitler" and such because it works as a manipulative tool...BUT...Hitler was a skilled orator and manipulator of the political situation in the early days.

    Here is my early take:

    Nazi party talking point distribution:

    Democrats


    -The authority of the state should be used frequently to enforce the will of the elites

    -Industry should be centered around the government and serve the government’s purpose

    -Undesirable people should be eliminated

    -Religion is evil unless its our pseudo-religion

    -People should be culled at every opportunity to create a master race

    Republicans

    -Sexual deviancy is undesirable

    -Military service is the highest calling

    Both

    -We should meddle in the affairs of other nations incessantly

    -Jews are evil

    -There is a group of people who should rule based on their superior…something

    -Only a surveillance state is a safe state

    -Political prisoners are the best prisoners

    Neither

    -Corruption should be punished extensively

    -The whole Aryan thing
     
    The people who say "Literally Hitler" also generally don't fully appreciate what "This means war" includes
     
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    Ive read quite a few books from the german perspective set in early nazi era. The similarities are staggering. Reading the gulag archipelago now. We're not there yet but i can see it going that way. Especially with a ton of new woke fed agents. I truly believe most Americans are either in shock or stuck at cognitive dissonance. Only excuse i can come up with for lack of resistance other than comfort and cowardice. God help us
     
    IN many ways the US looks a lot like early 1940's Germany. The closer you look the more you see.

    I will disagree with the OP's point on sexual deviancy. That is more Christian than Nazi driven AND I am NOT saying Christians are Nazi's.
     
    IN many ways the US looks a lot like early 1940's Germany. The closer you look the more you see.

    I will disagree with the OP's point on sexual deviancy. That is more Christian than Nazi driven AND I am NOT saying Christians are Nazi's.

    I will disagree (I like these types of conversations). I'm not saying that some of the persecution of homosexuality was probably a tipping of the hat to Christian sensibilities, but the Nazi's had a TON of specific objections rooted in their identity.


    They also had some early scientific work that suggested that being abused as a child by a homosexual increased your chances of becoming homosexual yourself, and so it dovetailed nicely with their Eugenics movement. Science Uber Alles was high fashion at the time, so it undoubtedly contributed heavily.
     
    Hitler was a failed liberal arts student who blamed all the country's problems on the rich. He was a vegetarian who believed in universal healthcare, gun control, and said a segment of the population didn't really count as people, so it was legal to kill them.
     
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    My Dad immigrated from Germany in 1955 (he was born in 36). Over the recent years, we've had a lot of discussions on what's been occurring here and he's made the point several times on the similarities/parallels then and now. ACORN, BLM, ANTIFA, (their affiliation and the tactics they use), Soros, Covid restrictions, career politicians that only care about their livelihoods vs upholding their oaths to support and defend the
    Constitution, etc... The same playbook Nazis/National Socialists and Communists have used for decades. His very real concern is for his grand and great grand children. No where near the same country he came to, made his own success in, and grew to love with a passion.
     
    I will disagree (I like these types of conversations). I'm not saying that some of the persecution of homosexuality was probably a tipping of the hat to Christian sensibilities, but the Nazi's had a TON of specific objections rooted in their identity.


    They also had some early scientific work that suggested that being abused as a child by a homosexual increased your chances of becoming homosexual yourself, and so it dovetailed nicely with their Eugenics movement. Science Uber Alles was high fashion at the time, so it undoubtedly contributed heavily.
    I will say that the Christians did it before the Nazi's, that being said I am sure that the Nazi's added their own flair to the process.

    I don't know about your last statement with regards to homosexuals BUT that is how pedophiles are created.
     
    I will say that the Christians did it before the Nazi's, that being said I am sure that the Nazi's added their own flair to the process.

    I don't know about your last statement with regards to homosexuals BUT that is how pedophiles are created.
    Yes. Its now known that being abused by a pedophile as a young person dramatically increases the chances you will pass on that abuse. As seems to be true of most abuses such as violence, drugs, alcohol etc.
     
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    Not a bad break down.

    The left is certainly a lot closer to that than they think the right is.

    I have problems with the gop, buy I'll deal until the left is effectively destroyed.
     
    Some member here posted this.

    Relevant.....



    whether or not some or all of this is accurate, it is interesting how trump interrupted the endless wars, after every dirty trick they pulled out to prevent his election and then to sabotage and remove him, and then how quickly the money train of war was restored when they put xiden in office.
     
    so i have been reading more thomas sowell, and i didn't realize there was genocide of jewish folk in ukraine in the 1600s, centuries before hitler.
     
    Not a bad break down.

    The left is certainly a lot closer to that than they think the right is.

    I have problems with the gop, buy I'll deal until the left is effectively destroyed.
    They keep throwing out the 'fascist!' epithet without realizing that they're the *actual* fascists by their behavior.

    Fascism:
    1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
    3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
    Govt control over companies? Check
    Oppression of dissenting viewpoints? Check
    Racism? Check
    Dictatorial control? Check

    M

    edited to add: I thank doG daily that there aren't any demagogues on the left for them to rally behind or we'd really be in trouble.
     
    Happens pretty much everywhere they go. :unsure:
    they are not actually unique in this, although for some strange reason, people aren't taught about the genocide of armenians, or lebanese traders in africa that filled similar roles where they settled (as middle men between producers and consumers).
     
    National Socialist is still socialist. With a nationalist overlay.

    'True" Democrats (and by that I mean FDR and JFK and Tip O'Neill and their ilk were good Americans who believed we needed better social safety nets and some controls on Laissez Faire Capitalism, but certainly not socialism or communism.

    True Republicans have nothing to do with the Nazi Ideology. It is a brand/mak/up of the left that Republicans are somehow supportive of the Nazi Ideology. We are with Jake and Elwood on this... "Illinois Nazi's... I hate Illinois Nazi's." The ideology is twisted, perverted, from the mind of a madman and anyone who subscribes to it should be smothered with a pillow.

    Today's "Democrat" Party ideology is one of socialism... And by that I mean at both ends of the retard spectrum. Communism, marked by total control and violence. And Facism, marked by total control and violence. Ask Orwell. Or the Antifa Brownshirts/blackshirts and Lenin's Thugs. They are EXACTLY the same. They have their MSM Goebbels. Their Stasi. Their Newspeak. And a willingness to kick in doors to intimidate and suppress. They are not Democrats. They are hard-core Communists/Facists who have hijacked a party that I may not have agreed with much, but which I respected.

    Don't make those comparisons. Nazi's and Italy's Fascisti and Franco's Legions were retards. Those who celebrate them even more retarded. Even comparing them to Republicans (and don't get me wrong, I am pissed at GOP... ) is not even half-way appropriate.

    Sirhr
     
    they are not actually unique in this, although for some strange reason, people aren't taught about the genocide of armenians, or lebanese traders in africa that filled similar roles where they settled (as middle men between producers and consumers).
    I think most genocides are glossed over in history because the killers are the authors.
     
    Depends on how many card carrying members of the US Nazi Party one actually knows. If you don't know and haven't talked to any of them then yer opinion means zero. I am constantly amazed at people, Conservatives/Ever Trumpers, Socialists, Leftists, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians', etc. who have this *huge* opinion of who and what ANP Members are and believe and what their perspective is and they have not had a beer with nor had any meaningful dialog with any member of that party. Fascinating.

    It's like Democrats that don't know or associate with any Republicans/Conservatives/Ever Trumpers who assume they have their "finger on the pulse" of what the Conservative Attitude is all about or the devout Ever Trumpers who think they have their "fingers on the pulse" of Democrats/Socialists/Leftists Metality when they know none nor associate with not one single person of this political identity.

    Amazing how many people in America have no clue of what they are clueless about. No wonder the Republic has failed and we are hating each and every faction that does not mimic/placate our own sense of value.

    VooDoo
     
    I don’t believe what we have today is Nazism. There is no nationalistic front or direction. Not even close. This is something much different and far more sinister.
     
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    I don’t believe what we have today is Nazism. There is no nationalistic front or direction. Not even close. This is something much different and far more sinister.
    Communist globo-homoism basically..
    Turn everybody gay. The ones that don’t turn fag, jumble the races all together. Then let China take over(or implement a homegrown commie .gov as “the only rational solution” to the chaos sowed by the flooding of 3rd world immigrants and jumbling of races).
     
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    1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.


    2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.


    3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.


    4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.


    5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.


    6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.


    7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.


    8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.


    9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.


    10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:


    11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.


    12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.


    13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).


    14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.


    15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.


    16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.


    17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.


    18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.


    19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.


    20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.


    21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.


    22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.


    23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.


    24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.


    25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

    That was their original party platform give or take.
     
    They keep throwing out the 'fascist!' epithet without realizing that they're the *actual* fascists by their behavior.

    Fascism:
    1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
    3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.
    Govt control over companies? Check
    Oppression of dissenting viewpoints? Check
    Racism? Check
    Dictatorial control? Check

    M

    edited to add: I thank doG daily that there aren't any demagogues on the left for them to rally behind or we'd really be in trouble.
    Oh I think they know full well what they are doing.
     
    Hitler's re-arming of Germany and his 'socialist' views were nothing to do with redistribution of wealth, they were focused at making Germany a war machine and advancing his central ideology of Lebensraum as being the right of Germanic/Aryan people. His Nazi party was in close alliance and pact with the industrialists of Germany who saw unlimited wealth in supplying and building this war machine for him and their collaboration in the plundering of the wealth of to be conquered nations (hey, that's kinda like Halliburton and the military-industrial complex some guy in charge once warned us about...). Naziism saw it's civilians as homogenous in their utility to the Reich, to this extent, yes, they had socialist parallels but it's more akin to the idea of Fascism, where wealth, industry and law are the tools of the few and everyone else is just there for their purposes. An economic and military aristocracy, more aligned with the Roman senate than Trotsky or Marx.

    It's assinine to think of the Nazi's as actual socialists. They were of no ideology other than their own. And they had the BEST uniforms, whereas the commies looked like poors.
     
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    Isms (all of them to include capitalism) are a specialty of the controller class.

    The same class that controls politics, finance, education, and religions currently.

    Used to herd the human race like cattle straight into the arms of the devil.

    Their daddy is coming in our lifetime.
     
    Hitler was a failed liberal arts student who blamed all the country's problems on the rich. He was a vegetarian who believed in universal healthcare, gun control, and said a segment of the population didn't really count as people, so it was legal to kill them.

    Don't forget occult (Golden Dawn) and the freaky sex that went with it.
     
    Yeah, ever since I first heard of ANTIFA back in 2017, I've thought it seems especially ironic, as THEY are the facists
    What's crazy is all the dumb motherfucking normies and liberals that couldn't realize that they are rooting for the bad guys. They give those Antifa fucks a pass. Cognitive dissonance Supreme!.
     
    Ive read quite a few books from the german perspective set in early nazi era. The similarities are staggering. Reading the gulag archipelago now. We're not there yet but i can see it going that way. Especially with a ton of new woke fed agents. I truly believe most Americans are either in shock or stuck at cognitive dissonance. Only excuse i can come up with for lack of resistance other than comfort and cowardice. God help us
    Ok, i am going stop you right there, till you get Hugo Boss to dress the ''federales'' you are no were close .........................:cool:

     
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    It was a few years ago. When I pointed out the parallels of the US political class to the early days of the 3rd reich.
    I did that on another gun forum and was attacked by some of the lefty leaning members.
    There's a reason they don't teach history in schools anymore. Might lead to some unsupervised thinking.
     
    Except for a Republic, all other forms of Government are Authoritarian, all the same, just whoring to different segments of the human condition.

    Monarchy - ordained by God to rule the Serfs.

    Theocracy - ordained by God to rule the Serfs.

    Nazism - ordained by a few to rule the Serfs.

    Marxists - ordained by the few to rule the Serfs.

    Oligarchy - ordained by the few to rule the Serfs.


    REPUBLIC - you are not a Serf but a free man.
     
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    What's crazy is all the dumb motherfucking normies and liberals that couldn't realize that they are rooting for the bad guys. They give those Antifa fucks a pass. Cognitive dissonance Supreme!.
    There are two groups that "root" for ANTIFA. One group is the puppet masters that are using ANTIFA as a means to an end. The other group is the cattle that has been brain washed by the first group. Only one group, the later, is rooting for ANTIFA. The first group no more roots for them than a carpenter roots for his hammer.
     
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