2 cans individual
Checks cashed 3/19/19
Approved 11/18/19
At dealer 11/25/19
Checks cashed 3/19/19
Approved 11/18/19
At dealer 11/25/19
Suppressors Form 4 wait time
The suppressor we purchased last year for the trust just went across the desk apparently and they said the responsible person questionnaire needed to be filled out along with the other stuff that goes along with it. It was all filled out along with fingerprints, photos and everything needed so I'm not sure why that happened? We did see there was a revision to the form in September or 2019, is that possibly part of the reason for this? This makes the 5th suppressor done the same way so I don't understand why this happened.
Edit: I guess I should check this section more often, I found the post explaining everything.
Edit: I guess I should check this section more often, I found the post explaining everything.
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Silencer shop aac Tirant
Trust
Bought 10-26-18
Cashed 11-19-18
Approved 11-21-19
Tax stamp arrived today 12-4-19
Trust
Bought 10-26-18
Cashed 11-19-18
Approved 11-21-19
Tax stamp arrived today 12-4-19
One responsible person?
Trust 1 Person
Rugged Surge and Oculus
Bought 12-31-18
Check Cashed 2-13-19 and 2-21-19
Approved ?
Call from Dealer 12/9/19
Picking up tomorrow!
Rugged Surge and Oculus
Bought 12-31-18
Check Cashed 2-13-19 and 2-21-19
Approved ?
Call from Dealer 12/9/19
Picking up tomorrow!
Form 4 individual
YHM Resonator
Sent USPS money order
Entered ATF system 4-2-19
Stamp at dealer 12-9-19
Picking up TBD
YHM Resonator
Sent USPS money order
Entered ATF system 4-2-19
Stamp at dealer 12-9-19
Picking up TBD
Was a form 3 needed? Trying to gauge how much longer I have.
Whats a form 3?
Edited to no form 3 needed on this transfer. Bought can from my local dealer 2hrs away.
Should I be basing my expectations off of the check cash date, or the transferred to dealer date?
Here’s an interesting read, not sure if the link had been posted yet. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/exclusive-atf-kills-program-fast-tracked-nfa-items/
Just received a Form 4 Trust stamp after waiting about 10 months.
buddy just got Form 4 Individual can from March picked up today from ffl. Hoping mine from April are soon!
Just purchased a omega 300 12-8-19. It's been almost a week and I still dont have my supressor yet. It's going to be a long wait. I was told around 7 months. Kiosk individual.
gmark -- not sure if you're willing to try this, but my U.S. Senators and Representative offer their services to help their constituents deal with an unresponsive Federal Govt (I live in SD); not sure how well that option might work for you depending on your locale.
I’m still waiting for a call
Silencershop F4 trust
Cashed 2/8/19
12/15/19 still pending at 310 days
Cashed 2/8/19
12/15/19 still pending at 310 days
Trust 2RPs
2/21/19 cash checked
12/14/19 stamp arrived at dealer
About a month after my brother in laws individual.
- Thursday Sept 5th, 2019, Purchased suppressor from my local Gander
- Monday Sept 16th, 2019, Completed Form 4 paperwork for a Trust
- Friday Oct 18th, 2019, ATF officially steals my $200
- Wed Nov 6th, 2019, my Gander is closing down
- Mon Dec 9th, 2019, tax stamp approved
- Sunday Dec 15th, 2019, picked up my can from Gander
Just over 52 days in NFA jail. This is a record for me!!! My 1st can took just 5 months and my 2nd can took just over 15 months.
- Monday Sept 16th, 2019, Completed Form 4 paperwork for a Trust
- Friday Oct 18th, 2019, ATF officially steals my $200
- Wed Nov 6th, 2019, my Gander is closing down
- Mon Dec 9th, 2019, tax stamp approved
- Sunday Dec 15th, 2019, picked up my can from Gander
Just over 52 days in NFA jail. This is a record for me!!! My 1st can took just 5 months and my 2nd can took just over 15 months.
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Form 4 for Surefire Can
April 16, 2019 - Check Cashed via Silencer Shop submission
December 16, 2019 - Called for first time to check, ATF has no updates, not even with an examiner yet.
December 16, 2019 - #FML. Should have never called.
April 16, 2019 - Check Cashed via Silencer Shop submission
December 16, 2019 - Called for first time to check, ATF has no updates, not even with an examiner yet.
December 16, 2019 - #FML. Should have never called.
Form 4
Single Shot Trust
Dead Air Nomad
Check Cashed 1/8/19
Approved 12/3/19
Picked up at Dealer 12/10/19
Single Shot Trust
Dead Air Nomad
Check Cashed 1/8/19
Approved 12/3/19
Picked up at Dealer 12/10/19
Mine cleared the same day it was assigned to a examiner... and that was at 399 days. You will likely be way faster then that
There was a LGS that I use to frequent. The manager would confide in me a few things every now and then.
There as also an ATF agent who use to buy guns from that same LGS. No kidding! He would do it legally.
Obvious ain't it? He would also fill out the 4473 like everyone else.
What was funny was that every now and then he would get delayed! Just like some of us!
There as also an ATF agent who use to buy guns from that same LGS. No kidding! He would do it legally.
Obvious ain't it? He would also fill out the 4473 like everyone else.
What was funny was that every now and then he would get delayed! Just like some of us!
Form 4 - Trust.
ATF check cleared the bank 2/14/19 and the approval was made 12/05/19. Got the call from the dealer a few days later when he recieved the papers. So, 294 days. I might mention that I am squeaky clean. I have had FBI background checks for computer repairs I've done for them.
I asked my dealer about the rumors I heard about 60-90 day approvals. He said, "Yes, they implemented a streamlined process that took about 3 months or a little less. But, many people in your situation called and complained about having been waiting 8 or 9 months without result and their buddy got his suppressor in just a couple of months. So, they discontinued the program.
ATF check cleared the bank 2/14/19 and the approval was made 12/05/19. Got the call from the dealer a few days later when he recieved the papers. So, 294 days. I might mention that I am squeaky clean. I have had FBI background checks for computer repairs I've done for them.
I asked my dealer about the rumors I heard about 60-90 day approvals. He said, "Yes, they implemented a streamlined process that took about 3 months or a little less. But, many people in your situation called and complained about having been waiting 8 or 9 months without result and their buddy got his suppressor in just a couple of months. So, they discontinued the program.
1st From 4 purchase, Dead Air Nomad
Silencer Shop Trust 1 RP
check cashed 2/26/2019
Dealer called this morning 12/16/2019
not sure of exact approval date yet, I'll update when I have the F4 in hand.
Going to pick it up later today. Check cashed to in-hand: 293 days.
Merry Christmas to me!
Silencer Shop Trust 1 RP
check cashed 2/26/2019
Dealer called this morning 12/16/2019
not sure of exact approval date yet, I'll update when I have the F4 in hand.
Going to pick it up later today. Check cashed to in-hand: 293 days.
Merry Christmas to me!
hope that means I’m close, they cashed mine on 1/16/19 on single shot trust
Got the call from my dealer today.
Form 4 Trust with 1 person on it.
2-26-19 check cashed.
12-17-19 - Dealer called with stamp
Form 4 Trust with 1 person on it.
2-26-19 check cashed.
12-17-19 - Dealer called with stamp
TBAC 338 ultra?
Form 4 individual
check cashed 3/26/19
Approved 12/9/19
Dealer called/can in hand today 12/18/19
shoutout to shooter’s station in Conroe, TX for going above and beyond to make the process as easy as possible. And also they let me visit the can in jail at their 100yd indoor range.
Form 4 individual
check cashed 3/26/19
Approved 12/9/19
Dealer called/can in hand today 12/18/19
shoutout to shooter’s station in Conroe, TX for going above and beyond to make the process as easy as possible. And also they let me visit the can in jail at their 100yd indoor range.
Trust or individual?
Purchased 4/18/18
Returned without action 10/19
Resubmitted w corrections 11/2019
Form 4: Tax Stamp Cashed on 12/17/2019
Returned without action 10/19
Resubmitted w corrections 11/2019
Form 4: Tax Stamp Cashed on 12/17/2019
Individual or trust ?
Thank you sir. I appreciate the offer. A level head prevails. What I did was wait until the WTF!!! emotions subsided and thought through the situation. I filed an appeal with the NTN provided. Went no where. The FBI responds with a letter to the effect "We don't do appeals or provide reasons for non firearm items." (more WTF!!! emotions) A few days later I went to purchase a firearm WITHOUT using my Concealed license as they would have just sold me the firearm. As odd as it may sound, I was happy to be denied. I now had a firearm related NTN that would force them to do their job. There is a process here, but it was not bad. The electronic method is fairly quick; only taking days...not weeks. Step 1 is to file online for the denial reason. No real information provided; only USC section statement. Step 2 after receiving that "reason" is to challenge it (still online). Step 3: Go through the Identity History route with the FBI. Step 4: Challenge what may be erroneous in the Identity history. End result: [for me] I have a letter from the FBI stating I am not a prohibited person from challenging the denial. (and a certificate to take back to the store if I want to purchase that item; good for 30 days) Recv'd on 12/23/2019
My suggestion from this episode: If you bump in to a similar situation, immediately start the process for Background Identity Check. It seems everything NICS hinges on that. You'll know what your up against from their view point if you get that. Resolve anything in that record and everything else should fall in place. But, you need to force them to look at the information in depth. This process might only take 2-3 weeks at most (using the online method). Much better than waiting several months for a nasty surprise because people aren't doing their job properly.
I still don't have the suppressor yet. Working through that to see if I can short track it with the ATF. A new application will be required. Just hope to get it on top of the stack instead of the bottom having already endured the initial wait time.
Good luck to everyone and hope this may help anyone who might need it.
There is definitely something going on there. The examiner I dealt with from the end of Oct. to mid Nov. is no longer there. I called Friday to inquire after the email bounced I sent with the attached letter from the FBI. My call was redirected to the "forwarding examiner". It's holiday week so I'm not completely resigned to having been thrown back in to the black hole at ATF. But, whether there was end of year contracts ending or a personal decision by this individual, there is at least one less examiner since Nov.
I imagine the turnover is pretty high. Imagine working in that shitshow.... Severely understaffed, always getting bitched at, sitting in a box all day reading trusts. Pass.
Or they could just remove them from the NFA list and solve all these problems.
Or they could just remove them from the NFA list and solve all these problems.
Called back today and actually spoke with the "forwarding examiner" Turns out it is the supervisor of the no longer there examiner. Botttom line; "...we only expedite LEO and military..." No consideration for the erroneous decision leading to Disapproved application.
Back to the bottom of the stack. There should be a mechanism to allow for this type of situation. Yet, we all realize the deck is currently stacked against us.
I've (re) started the process and am going back to twiddling my thumbs. (heavy grumbling as I fade to silence....oh, wait. I can't be silent because they didn't approve my initial application. )
Back to the bottom of the stack. There should be a mechanism to allow for this type of situation. Yet, we all realize the deck is currently stacked against us.
I've (re) started the process and am going back to twiddling my thumbs. (heavy grumbling as I fade to silence....oh, wait. I can't be silent because they didn't approve my initial application. )
I dont understand why the ATF does not tie the photos/prints to the trust itself instead of to each item. It just causes a ton of extra costs and running around.
Purchased 4 cans during the SilencerCo BOGO in summer of 2018.
Eventually got all the paperwork together, Trust modified for Change 41 etc...
Paperwork Submitted via USPS 12/12/19
ATF received paperwork 12/14/19
Credit card charged (x4) 12/17/19
And now the wait begins....
Eventually got all the paperwork together, Trust modified for Change 41 etc...
Paperwork Submitted via USPS 12/12/19
ATF received paperwork 12/14/19
Credit card charged (x4) 12/17/19
And now the wait begins....
I called ATF yesterday and they said average 10 month wait on trusts.
We shall see
We shall see
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