Is it? Or is it intentional and malicious?
Suppressors Form 4 wait time
Is it? Or is it intentional and malicious?
they would save themselves and us a whole lot of time if they would do that. In this day and age of computers it shouldnt be too hard to attach each form 4 to the person's SSN so when the agent gets to a certain form 4 to approve it, they could pull all pending form 4's for that SSN.... But that would make too much sense.
I have had them pull cans forward before when I had bought several within 3-4 months of each other. That's why I was a little surprised when this one came back approved without the other can's paperwork.
If we were to talk about inefficiencies within the NFA branch of the ATF we would be here for a while, but I would have to start with having to send in two sets of fingerprints and two photos for each can even if you order six of them on the same day. Makes no sense and is ridiculous. It is definitely set up to be a deterrent to ownership; that's for sure.
If we were to talk about inefficiencies within the NFA branch of the ATF we would be here for a while, but I would have to start with having to send in two sets of fingerprints and two photos for each can even if you order six of them on the same day. Makes no sense and is ridiculous. It is definitely set up to be a deterrent to ownership; that's for sure.
I am with you .. a deadair wolverine can and my rifle dynamics AK M92 SBR ... and here i was thinking maybe i get it for xmas, lucky to be tax day
I’ve been thinking about why they don’t combine suppressor paperwork when they get a new application. I think when I file for the 338 Ultra SR I’m going to put a cover letter with all my previous applications check cashing date, FFL (same for all) and the serial numbers of them all. Maybe with enough bread crumbs they will figure it out. I can’t imagine the people (the actual drones, not management) want to actually do more work.
wonder why some get theres in 250 days and some are over a year?
I beleive they are filed by your last name, and certain agents get a range to go through, so one agent may have 500 and another 2000.
Because it is a government agency and basically fucked up
LMAO How very true
People work based on incentives. Pretty damn sure the incentives to work fast and efficient are not there in govt.
That's what you get when you pay hourly or salary. It all pays the same.
If those doing the approval work got paid piecemeal, wait times would be A LOT shorter.
Nothing infuriates me more than the post office, I think they try to move as slow as they possibly can.
Passed a year last week. I have no hope. Try not to think about it.
All the proposals in the last two pages for making ATF more efficient have been made, and blocked by NRA, et al. ATF generally, and NFA branch especially, haven't grown staff in decades (contractors reported here and there are an end run, pending annual budgets), and are barred from doing almost anything on computer lookup due to the fears of A Registry.
This is indeed pretty much the same lookup system as when you fly internationally, get a certification as a hazardous waste hauler, etc. etc. The worst of these sorts of "background checks" come back in a few days and the paperwork mailed out because some state required the DOT bit of paper takes maybe a week or two to arrive.
All the proposals in the last two pages for making ATF more efficient have been made, and blocked by NRA, et al. ATF generally, and NFA branch especially, haven't grown staff in decades (contractors reported here and there are an end run, pending annual budgets), and are barred from doing almost anything on computer lookup due to the fears of A Registry.
This is indeed pretty much the same lookup system as when you fly internationally, get a certification as a hazardous waste hauler, etc. etc. The worst of these sorts of "background checks" come back in a few days and the paperwork mailed out because some state required the DOT bit of paper takes maybe a week or two to arrive.
Does anyone know what the longest wait has been in recent history? Let's say in the last year?
The longest I know of recently was a year and a half.
That is so screwed up. I wonder if anyone could ever do a FOIA request to find out how and why it took so long to approve at transfer of a class III device.
When you think about it, the purchaser has a right to know.
Post office isnt that bad. DMV is a shit show of how can we waste time without working
Just have one cashed 12/3/2017 coming back, two person trust, both green card, stuck in "pending fbi background check" forever.
Green card? I'm not sure I understand.
.....
Now that sounds like a fun setup.
Sorry double post
As a test, my friend and I both submitted Form 4 individuals on July 17th, for the identical items, same seller. His paperwork was traditional method, mine was the new supersonic bar code bearing almost instantaneous pretty much guaranteed overnight sensation. Besides taking our money, thats all that has happened so far...
That bar code system isn't even implement yet... for now just window dressing !
What does the barcode forms do for you? I took in my prefilled forms and the dealer redid them with barcodes. At least I got to look at the pretty boxes my 2 were in before they disappeared into his back room. Checks not cashed in almost 4 months.
Whats wrong with the asshat at 1600 PA Ave he doesn't seem to be doing much else maybe he could look into it
Not the OP of this, but permanent resident aliens (given a "green card" to prove their status) can be members of corporations (or trusts) and otherwise are permitted to own firearms if no other exceptions.
My corporation has an officer a greencard holder, and we've not previously had issues getting NFA paperwork done with them included.
Even SilencerShop considers it an edge case so it's not addressed in their basic instructions, but had no problem telling us how to do the paperwork for the suppressor that's on the long hold.
The wait is over for me it is about time.
Sent 5-3-18
Check cashed 5-12-18
Approved ?
Stamp 2-19-19
Sent 5-3-18
Check cashed 5-12-18
Approved ?
Stamp 2-19-19
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Check cashed 2/9/18
Form 4 approved 2/18/19
1 suppressor, Individual.
Form 4 approved 2/18/19
1 suppressor, Individual.
... I'm having trouble waiting now. I was approved the 15th and freaking snail mail to get paperwork moved
I got the call today!
Cashed 5/21/18
Approved- no clue
Stamp to dealer 2/19/19
Weird... got notifications when the check was cashed and when the form 3 was disposed to the dealer. But nothing as far as when it was approved. Done through Silencer Shop single shot trust
Be nice if this thread could go back to "just the facts ma'am" like this.
Accepted by ATF - 6/29/18
Check cashed - 7/2/18
Called today, said it was still pending but in processing? Any idea what this means?
Check cashed - 7/2/18
Called today, said it was still pending but in processing? Any idea what this means?
Form 4 individual
Purchase 3/31
Cashed 5/8
As of last Wednesday it was still pending. It seems like I should be in the window now. Purchase date seems irrelevant.
Purchase 3/31
Cashed 5/8
As of last Wednesday it was still pending. It seems like I should be in the window now. Purchase date seems irrelevant.
This is normal. Silencer Shop does not know when your form 4 is approved. As far as they are concerned their job is done once the Form 3 goes through and it's disposed to your dealer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_permanent_residents_(United_States)
Green card, or permanent resident status, is between temporary visa (student, worker) and citizenship. With green card one always gets a delay with 4473 because FBI have to follow up with immigration to make sure the status is still valid (green card can be revoked). Which causes delay especially with NFA, because FBI does not need to clear the delay for NFA checks like they do with regular 4473 (which usually just takes a few days) - NFA delays goes to the back of the queue as I'm told by ATF.
That means I am out from buying a suppressor ever again (i already have 5). I got my CCDW because I ALWAYS get delayed due to a juvenile conviction nearly 20 years ago.
Yes, just called and got through in about 10-minutes. 5/5 pending - 292 days.
A buddy had issues with them not picking up yesterday but he got through today.
His person said estimated current wait times are 9 months, hopefully they hold there or go down.
paperwork submitted 3-12-18
check cashed 4-20-18
I called the ATF yesterday and was told that both stamps were approved 2-21-19
so soon....but not yet
Silencer Shop trust
Two items and two people
check cashed 4-20-18
I called the ATF yesterday and was told that both stamps were approved 2-21-19
so soon....but not yet
Silencer Shop trust
Two items and two people
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