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Hey 5/3 Bank, how's that no weapons policy working for you?

308pirate

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/0...otage-gunman-firing-shots-at-anyone-sees.html

    5/3 Bank is proud to be a no weapons zone. The blood of all those victims is on the bank's president's and attorneys' hands.

    I started banking with them when I moved to Ohio in 2004. Within months of the move concealed carry passed here and no carry signs/stickers went up immediately on 5/3 branches all over the state. As soon as I saw that I withdrew every penny of cash and investments out of there and moved them to a bank that to this day welcomes people who exercise ALL of their rights.

    To make 5/3's hypocrisy worse, I stopped by a branch in Michigan and it had zero signs prohibiting weapons.

    FUCK 5/3 BANK.
     
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    Here is my understanding of why a business makes the choice to ban guns from their property. At least the failed logic.

    A lawyer tells them that if someone is hurt with a gun on their premises they could be held liable. Soooo ban the gun and legally they can claim "oh he broke our rules, we do not allow that"

    And they are off the hook.

    First, the law needs to change on shit like this.
    I had a friend who crashed his Yamaha dirt bike and broke both ankles. His medical insurance wanted to sue Yamaha because he missed the landing. (That probably seems irrelevant but point is how liability law is used)

    The law needs to change so that if you disarm someone and make them defenseless you now assume 100% liablity for their protection.

    Basicly if you allow me to carry, i can take care of myself. Take my gun and you are now responsible for my life.

    I have been waiting for years for a victim to sue based on that.

    9/11 victims families got payouts. I could be wrong but I always felt it was because the government/airlines failed to protect the passengers that they had made defenseless.
     
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    Concealed means concealed.

    Unless there is a standing federal/state law that is/should be a well known thing; I don't care what the place I'm at would like me to do.

    When I first got my CCW I walked around and thought basically everyone could see it, it was so obvious. Instead, I quickly realized that I could be walking around with the gun in my hand and 99% of people wouldn't fucking notice it. If for some reason some place you're at gives you shit because they think you have a firearm, the answer is always no, I don't. If they push it, refuse to lift your shirt up (wtf kind of gay request is that) and/or just leave.

    What's the worst that can happen; they try and trespass you? Without ever have seen a weapon? Unless you're a moron and stand around arguing with them, nothing will come out of it or you'll be far away by the time the police even bother to come look, if at all.

    Saw exactly this happen once at a store where the guy was in line 2 people behind me and some busybody apparently reported he had a gun on him. Not sure how they knew, maybe his shirt came up over it, who knows. Then the manager and some fat lesbian came and basically tried to berate him over it, I looked at him and said 'don't lift your shirt up' at which time fat lesbian scowled at me and went to actually grab the shirt/weapon area she thought the pistol would be in. The guy with the CCW jerked away noticing she was literally reaching for his gun and once again from me, 'thats a good way to get shot in the fucking face fatty'.

    He left. I paid for my shit and left and was told to 'leave!' while I was on my way out of the door lol Um, ok.

    So they don't want guns in their store/business. Think about this for a second; if someone was to go in there and start shooting, how likely was fatty lesbian or beta male manager going to stop it other than taking a round each? Are some meaningless, faceless 'rules' that aernt worth the paper they are printed on, worth a gamble like that?

    I bet no one woke up that morning at the bank and thought, 'I wont bring my gun today, there's a no weapons sign, I'll be ok'
     
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    I'm pretty sure I've open carried in the bank. Well, credit union, I don't use banks. Sometimes they'll have some old guy with a Model 10 revolver, maybe a Glock. Usually it's a nod of the head when we acknowledge each other on the way out. Tellers don't care, I don't slip 'em a note saying "give me all the money" I just do the usual.

    IME, if you wear the pistol like you own it, then nobody seems to care. I carry concealed and open, just depends, and never get issues. I'm told I look intimidating so maybe that has something to do with it. I ignore the "no gun" signs unless it's a law too, and the law is pretty specific about where you can and can't carry here and there aren't too many places. The stickers don't mean anything here unless it's in reference to one to one of the 3 places or federal buildings. You can even carry in the court buildings, they have to check the weapon for you (can expedite you through the line too). Just walk in and yell out "I'm armed!" No, seriously. Just don't follow up with "Nobody move!" or shit like that.

    Shame another place gets shot up because everyone was too scared to disobey a damn sticker (but in some states, those stickers do come with the force of the law unfortunately). My ex wife wasn't supposed to carry at work, they'd have her working after dark by herself. Told her no firearm. Someone saw her .22 revolver in her bag one time and narc'd on her and the boss warned her. She was gonna comply, but I got her a Coronado Leather purse holster and she carried (and still carries I assume) a .357 S&W 649 w/large CT grips and 3 speed loaders. It's not ideal, but it allowed her to carry daily with no questions for over a decade now. We're divorced now, but I still hope she carries her .357 no-key 649, not many better carry revolvers than that one.
     
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    2ndamendfan said:
    Here is my understanding of why a business makes the choice to ban guns from their property. At least the failed logic.

    A lawyer tells them that if someone is hurt with a gun on their premises they could be held liable. Soooo ban the gun and legally they can claim "oh he broke our rules, we do not allow that"

    And they are off the hook.

    First, the law needs to change on shit like this.
    I had a friend who crashed his Yamaha dirt bike and broke both ankles. His medical insurance wanted to sue Yamaha because he missed the landing. (That probably seems irrelevant but point is how liability law is used)

    The law needs to change so that if you disarm someone and make them defenseless you now assume 100% liablity for their protection.

    Basicly if you allow me to carry, i can take care of myself. Take my gun and you are now responsible for my life.

    I have been waiting for years for a victim to sue based on that.

    9/11 victims families got payouts. I could be wrong but I always felt it was because the government/airlines failed to protect the passengers that they had made defenseless.
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    Tennessee almost passed that very thing, but at the last minute changed it to say that businesses are not liable for damages by allowing CCW holders to carry in their establishment.
     
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    When I first got my CCW I walked around and thought basically everyone could see it, it was so obvious. Instead, I quickly realized that I could be walking around with the gun in my hand and 99% of people wouldn't fucking notice it.
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    Everyone feels the same until you reach the point that it's just another part of your dress code.

    About a month ago I ducked into a McDonalds to use the head. I quickly realized I was ethically challenged in this particular environment. A dicey looking guy followed me into the restroom, so I ducked into a stall. I pulled my shirt up and put my hand on my piece while aiming my other piece. I was back to my truck before I realized I never covered my gun. The place was packed. I thought about taking off, but my truck is pretty easy to spot, so I hung around hoping to explain the situation if cops arrived. After about 15 minutes I left.
     
    #16
    These videos always suck. Another note, so that cop drops his AR on the ground to go for the clearly superior weapon, a Glock? Unless he had only 1 AR mag and he emptied it, someone needs to teach this guy a lesson
     
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    Spblademaker said:
    Pretty sure that’s not how it works. Even if it was empty/malfunctioned, sling it. Training may vary.
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    I’m not sure how “it” works or what “it” is. I just made an observation. It’s obviouslsy not a good idea to lay an AR down on a sidewalk. But it’s easy to say you would have taken the time to “sling it” in the middle of a gunfight when you are on the internet rather than in the middle of a gunfight.
     
    #24
    Yeah. Nothing against you or the observation. The carbine had a sling. For some reason it wasn’t being utilized. Their training may not have covered it’s proper use. Could be that the sling itself wasn’t functioning. In the end, BG dead, officers safe.
     
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    EddieNFL said:
    No agenda there. :cautious:
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    308pirate said:
    I don't give a fuck about whether the bank is "safer" or not with me armed in it.

    All I care about is leaving the bank alive by whatever means necessary.
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    The point wasn't the "agenda". The point was there is no federal law, and apparently only a state law in Montana. It is a bank angled web site and the article basically says there isn't shit they can do, fuck-em.
    I didn't post it to show the way they think, I posted to show that even the bankers can't find a legal way to stop you. If they could they probably would.
     
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    In ND, there is limitations where one may carry. The CC person is supposed to be aware of this, and act according to the law. Banks and other financial institutions are not covered by these limitations. Technically, if they put a sign on the door that states, "no weapons", it can be ignored. No private institution can post signs or attempt to override a state law. However, because it is a private business, they can ask you to leave. To not do so is trespassing.

    I wear a lot of Wrangler Riggs cargo pants for both work and casual. Drop a compact 9 in the deep right front pocket, two spare mags in the left cargo pocket, nobody is the wiser. When the Child Bride and I go shopping at the Stockyard (wal-mart) I stand around with my hands in my pockets like every other bored hubby.

    As far as no guns allowed signs, either ignore or go someplace else.
     
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    308pirate said:
    Do you have a problem with people who exercise their right to bear arms while in public?

    If so, you're in the wrong place amigo.
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    No, I am saying that the report mentioned so many people are carrying guns... If all those people were a problem they would already be aware of it... That means that folks that carry legally are not the people they need to worry about. thanks compadre.
     
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    eklarsen said:
    No, I am saying that the report mentioned so many people are carrying guns... If all those people were a problem they would already be aware of it... That means that folks that carry legally are not the people they need to worry about. thanks compadre.
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    Gotcha, my apologies for misunderstanding.
     
    #32
    The way he said Fuck made me think it jammed up or otherwise malfunctioned. We were just there at the beginning of the summer for a conference and all I did that weekend was roll around my Pelican looking for a range... Stayed downtown across from that plaza could have opened the window and... Spotted for them ;)

    Which also speaks to the other conversation on here... I walked around that hotel with the most obvious case full of AR15 sweetness and no one gave a shit. People really don't care when I have the pistol, for sure. I don't go anywhere like IL NY or CA ever and things work out fine.
     
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    2ndamendfan said:
    The point wasn't the "agenda". The point was there is no federal law, and apparently only a state law in Montana. It is a bank angled web site and the article basically says there isn't shit they can do, fuck-em.
    I didn't post it to show the way they think, I posted to show that even the bankers can't find a legal way to stop you. If they could they probably would.
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    I got your point. I was sarcastically making another.
     
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