Hey western Montana folks

[Malum Prohibitum]

Hibo Hilton,

I just took a look around Bigfork (I take it you are from around there based on the earlier real estate you posted), and properties are dropping prices, $25k-$40k on lots of them, $350k on one of the more expensive properties.

Of course, these are coming off of huge price increases over the last several years, so . . .

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Hibo Hilton,

I just took a look around Bigfork (I take it you are from around there based on the earlier real estate you posted), and properties are dropping prices, $25k-$40k on lots of them, $350k on one of the more expensive properties.

Of course, these are coming off of huge price increases over the last several years, so . . .

I'm south of Missoula in the Bitterroot Valley. I posted some real estate around Kalispell for another member here who is looking at moving there for work. I agree some properties are dropping their asking price. But when a $400k property drops $20k and interest rates go up .50%... soon it becomes a wash. The mortgage bankers are asking for more "security" like a higher credit score or more cash for the down. Some counties are already warning that they will increase property tax 5%+. That forces the buyer to pony up more cash at closing to cover the tax and insurance. For those who are not cash buyers, tack on the PMI and that monthly note bumps them out of the running. I know several young couples (both working good jobs) who are putting off getting married until they can get into a home they own. So, there is a very large pool waiting for things to drop down, just a bit and they will snap them up.

I have been in the real estate "squeeze chute" a few times during the last 3 - 4 recessions. It is under contract so... Basically sold.

Here is a typical $400k in my town.

103 Belmont Ave, Hamilton, MT 59840 | Zillow

103 Belmont Ave, Hamilton MT, is a Single Family home that contains 1698 sq ft and was built in 1940.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $372,100, which has increased by $2,994 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is...

www.zillow.com

 

[Steve_In_29]

Back in 2016/17 we were looking in the Yaak and Troy areas. I must say prices have greatly increased since then.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Back in 2016/17 we were looking in the Yaak and Troy areas. I must say prices have greatly increased since then.

Don't beat yourself up.... All of Montana has changed greatly over the past 7 years.
I'm watching foundations being dug in September and contractors trying to get structures weather tight before the first snow fall.
The construction financing will carry then just so far. Unknown what the interest rate will be when the final is complete.
This recession is different than the previous one's.

 

[Steve_In_29]

Don't beat yourself up.... All of Montana has changed greatly over the past 7 years.
I'm watching foundations being dug in September and contractors trying to get structures weather tight before the first snow fall.
The construction financing will carry then just so far. Unknown what the interest rate will be when the final is complete.
This recession is different than the previous one's.

Not beating myself up at all. The threat of forest fire weighed heavy and there was even one burning when we were there.

We decided that rural NE Arizona fit our needs and price range and bought here in 2017.

After the antfags/covid we are seeing a lot of people moving out here as well. Costs are up on land and houses.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Don't beat yourself up.... All of Montana has changed greatly over the past 7 years.
I'm watching foundations being dug in September and contractors trying to get structures weather tight before the first snow fall.
The construction financing will carry then just so far. Unknown what the interest rate will be when the final is complete.
This recession is different than the previous one's.

What recession?

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Former firearms executive Busse launches campaign for Montana governor as Democrat

A former firearms executive, now an author and activist, has announced he’s challenging Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte in next year’s election.

www.kpax.com

 

[WaltHer]

Billings prepping for more than 100 refugees, including some from Afghanistan

Beginning in January, more than 100 adult refugees will be moving into Billings along with their families.

www.ktvq.com

 

[Steve_In_29]

Billings prepping for more than 100 refugees, including some from Afghanistan

Beginning in January, more than 100 adult refugees will be moving into Billings along with their families.

www.ktvq.com

They downplay the amount of people by making it seem like it's "just" 100. You have to read the article to notice it is 100 PLUS their families. So at just wife and 2 kids that's really 400 people.

 

[chevy_man]

Billings prepping for more than 100 refugees, including some from Afghanistan

Beginning in January, more than 100 adult refugees will be moving into Billings along with their families.

www.ktvq.com

One more reason to avoid Billings. I already don't go anywhere unarmed there. They have DEA and FBI offices. To damn many people and lots of them wannabe gangster idiots.

My sister and BIL have guns stashed around the house and by every door. Cameras, as break-ins are just normal. And they're in what's considered a good neighborhood.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

One more reason to avoid Billings. I already don't go anywhere unarmed there. They have DEA and FBI offices. To damn many people and lots of them wannabe gangster idiots.

My sister and BIL have guns stashed around the house and by every door. Cameras, as break-ins are just normal. And they're in what's considered a good neighborhood.

I had to look it up. I thought to myself, "No way."

Atlanta burglary rate per 1k: 3.57

Billings has to be lower . . .

Nope, 5.32.

Wow.

 

[chevy_man]

I had to look it up. I thought to myself, "No way."

Atlanta burglary rate per 1k: 3.57

Billings has to be lower . . .

Nope, 5.32.

Wow.

They've always had issues with the reservation and certain people feeling as though they're owed whatever they can pick up.

It's just gotten worse as they've grown, homeless population has grown, and not enough being done by those in charge that only worry about their own neighborhoods. Same old story.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Bozeman City Commission passes ordinance creating restrictions for urban camping

BOZEMAN, Mont. - The Bozeman City Commission voted to pass Ordinance 2147, creating time, manner and place restrictions for urban camping at their Tuesday evening commission meeting.

www.kulr8.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Gov. Gianforte welcomes new expansion at Stevensville ammunition manufacturer

Gov. Greg Gianforte visited the newly expanded Alpha Loading Systems Facility in Stevensville on Tuesday.

www.kpax.com

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Bitterroot's web site opens, but Alpha's does not.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Bitterroot's web site opens, but Alpha's does not.

I think they recently spun off from Bitterroot Tool and Machine.

Bitterroot Tool and Machine - Industrial Ammo Reloading Equipment Manufacturers

Bitterroot Tool and Machine

Bitterroot Tool and Machine, Alpha Loading Systems.

rangehot.com

 

[Carole Baskins]

Bozeman City Commission passes ordinance creating restrictions for urban camping

BOZEMAN, Mont. - The Bozeman City Commission voted to pass Ordinance 2147, creating time, manner and place restrictions for urban camping at their Tuesday evening commission meeting.

www.kulr8.com

won't be enforced

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Born outside of Montana? You're nearing the majority in the state

A chart recently put out by the Montana Free Press details the number of residents who were born outside of Montana.

www.kpax.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Governor Gianforte Welcomes Brixtel Defense to Montana

GLENDIVE, Mont. – Governor Greg Gianforte today welcomed Brixtel Defense to Montana, celebrating the global defense company’s $125 million investment in Dawson County.

news.mt.gov

 

[Carole Baskins]

Thanks for the updates on what’s happening in Montana.

 

[Milf Dots]

They downplay the amount of people by making it seem like it's "just" 100. You have to read the article to notice it is 100 PLUS their families. So at just wife and 2 kids that's really 400 people.

This will be an absolute disaster for Billings and by default, Montana.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Playing political chess... Been part of the problem
Too little... Too late... Won't get my vote

ICYMI: Rep. Rosendale Holds “Shut Down the Border or Shut Down the Government” Press Conference

rosendale.house.gov

 

[Carole Baskins]

Playing political chess... Been part of the problem
Too little... Too late... Won't get my vote

ICYMI: Rep. Rosendale Holds “Shut Down the Border or Shut Down the Government” Press Conference

rosendale.house.gov

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Milf Dots]

Always vote for the most conservative candidate who can win both the primary election against other Repubs, AND the general election against the democrats. If that's Rosendale, then he'd get my vote.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Montana firearm manufacturer expanding production in Helena

A firearms manufacturer based in Helena is getting ready to make a big push on what they believe will be a breakthrough product.

www.kpax.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Opinions ?

Conservative firebrand praises Matt Rosendale ahead of potential Senate bid: 'Shock to the system'

Rep. Matt Gaetz confirmed he's campaigning in Montana for Rep. Matt Rosendale, amid rumors the Republican is considering a run for the Senate.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The Deep State and their Dark Money are trying to keep a foot hold in Montana...

The Shadowy Group Targeting A Montana Republican Is Actually A Major Democratic Super PAC

Last Best Place PAC has already spent nearly $5.8 million running ads against GOP Senate hopeful Tim Sheehy.

www.huffpost.com

Nine months before the Montana GOP primary, a mysterious super PAC is on the airwaves attacking Tim Sheehy.

The group, Last Best Place PAC, made a $134,000 buy on broadcast and cable to run Tuesday through Sept. 25.

www.politico.com

https://www.opensecrets.org/outside-spending/detail?cmte=C00849729&cycle=2024

https://freebeacon.com/democrats/chuck-schumer-is-behind-this-mysterious-pac-meddling-in-montanas-gop-primary/

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I don't understand. PPP loans were designed to be "walked away from," to use the word from the ad. They were forgivable loans if you met the conditions of the loan, which was that you kept employees on the payroll even when the economy was shut down. How is that an attack?

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I'm south of Missoula in the Bitterroot Valley. I posted some real estate around Kalispell for another member here who is looking at moving there for work. I agree some properties are dropping their asking price. But when a $400k property drops $20k and interest rates go up .50%... soon it becomes a wash. The mortgage bankers are asking for more "security" like a higher credit score or more cash for the down. Some counties are already warning that they will increase property tax 5%+. That forces the buyer to pony up more cash at closing to cover the tax and insurance. For those who are not cash buyers, tack on the PMI and that monthly note bumps them out of the running. I know several young couples (both working good jobs) who are putting off getting married until they can get into a home they own. So, there is a very large pool waiting for things to drop down, just a bit and they will snap them up.

I have been in the real estate "squeeze chute" a few times during the last 3 - 4 recessions. It is under contract so... Basically sold.

Here is a typical $400k in my town.

103 Belmont Ave, Hamilton, MT 59840 | Zillow

103 Belmont Ave, Hamilton MT, is a Single Family home that contains 1698 sq ft and was built in 1940.It contains 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $372,100, which has increased by $2,994 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is...

www.zillow.com

According to Zillow, it sold a couple weeks after you posted that. It is now estimated to be worth $379,500, so property values continue to decline.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

According to Zillow, it sold a couple weeks after you posted that. It is now estimated to be worth $379,500, so property values continue to decline.

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Advertised for $400k and sold for $379k. That does not show a decline.
Example:
This one is advertised as a Price cut of $10k. This certainly does not mean the prices are coming down.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/606-N-3rd-St-Hamilton-MT-59840/78184099_zpid/

 

[Hobo Hilton]

According to Zillow, it sold a couple weeks after you posted that. It is now estimated to be worth $379,500, so property values continue to decline.

A buyer must look at the bottom line (monthly payment)... In other discussions here it was brought out that many people just need to buy a smaller / less expensive home when they relocate.

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The United States Government killed off the forest products industry. Now we watch every year when thousands of square miles of timber goes up in smoke. The government expresses condolences and draws it pensions.

1973 - The Endangered Species Act passes Congress, and the U.S. Department of the Interior lists the northern spotted owl as a potentially endangered species.

Missoula County Commissioner Dave Strohmaier expressed condolences for those who have lost their jobs

Roseburg Forest Products to close Missoula facility

Roseburg Forest Products in Missoula will be shutting down its plant in May.

www.kpax.com

Pyramid Mountain Lumber in Seeley Lake shutting down

Pyramid Mountain Lumber officials site labor shortages, lack of housing, unprecedented rising costs, plummeting lumber prices, and the cost of living in Western Montana for its closure.

www.kpax.com

A brief history of the spotted-owl controversy | The Seattle Times

 

[Hobo Hilton]

The Government is a master of taking a simple problem and making it complicated.
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The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services has received $600,000 to reduce wildfire smoke in buildings
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A simple man would say "If you reduce the wildfires then the smoke in buildings would be reduced. A bonus would be the reduction of smoke outside of the buildings, also.
Stop listening to the "Environmentalist".

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency investing $3.5M in Montana climate resiliency projects

The EPA brought together Montana organizations for a roundtable discussion focused on reducing the impacts wildfire smoke has on public health.

www.kpax.com

 

[Hobo Hilton]

Things are shaping up:

Home - Ryan Busse for Montana

Ryan is running for Governor as an advocate for ALL Montanans and as a champion for our Montana way of life.

busseformontana.com

Gianforte leads Democratic opponents in fundraising

Montana’s incumbent governor has raised more than double the amount his top Democratic challenger in recent months.

www.mtpr.org

 

[Hobo Hilton]

A fast moving trend:

New subdivision has been proposed and will include affordable housing for the workforce

The Tronstad Meadow and adjacent Whitetail Crossing proposed subdivisions would place 380-single family homes on about 110 acres.

www.kpax.com

 

[Carole Baskins]

A fast moving trend:

New subdivision has been proposed and will include affordable housing for the workforce

The Tronstad Meadow and adjacent Whitetail Crossing proposed subdivisions would place 380-single family homes on about 110 acres.

www.kpax.com

We’re a busy little beaver today, aren’t we?

 

[Milf Dots]

If the "naive Montanan contingent" would also vote for Conservatives- which means NOT voting for any of the incumbent justices on the Montana Supreme Court- things would get much better in Big Sky Country. As it stands the Montana Supreme Court has been hijacked by democrats, despite Montana being a Red state with the majority of its state and federal elected officials being Repubs.

Montana voters better wake the fuck up when it comes to voting for judges, school board trustees, and all other offices.

 

[Carole Baskins]

Montana voters better wake the fuck up when it comes to voting for judges, school board trustees, and all other offices.

This is precious. Have you any idea what’s happened in this state since the scamdemic? 2020 voting was a fluke.

 

[Milf Dots]

This is precious. Have you any idea what’s happened in this state since the scamdemic? 2020 voting was a fluke.

Are you not a conservative or Conserva-tarian?

My post is a timeless caution to Montanans- it really doesn't matter how much better things have gotten because every generation of Americans seem to forget the struggles of the past. We need to be vigilant forever and not just short term.

I'm sure you'd agree with this latest post of mine- unless you're not a conservative or conservative-libertarian.

But I'd love to hear how the MT Supreme Court has been taken back by a majority of Conservatives!

How about important school boards like Billings Public Schools- are they now a majority Conservative school board?!

Is Bozeman now run by a majority of Conservatives?

 

[Milf Dots]

Am I wrong- have both of these major problems recently been resolved by Montana voters?

When a Court Vetoes the People: It Happened in Montana

In Montana, the state’s highest court has asserted an absolute veto over what the people may add to their own constitution.

www.theepochtimes.com

Montana Supreme Court Disallows Referendum Over How Its Members Are Chosen

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[7.62willdo]

the die is cast Montana will be blue in 2 or 3 years………

 

[Carole Baskins]

Are you not a conservative or Conserva-tarian?

My post is a timeless caution to Montanans- it really doesn't matter how much better things have gotten because every generation of Americans seem to forget the struggles of the past. We need to be vigilant forever and not just short term.

I'm sure you'd agree with this latest post of mine- unless you're not a conservative or conservative-libertarian.

But I'd love to hear how the MT Supreme Court has been taken back by a majority of Conservatives!

How about important school boards like Billings Public Schools- are they now a majority Conservative school board?!

Is Bozeman now run by a majority of Conservatives?

We should probably start with what you consider a “Montanan”? Someone who’s lived here five minutes and bought a pair of Carhartts? That’s what most people seem to think are requisite to wear that title.

 

[Milf Dots]

We should probably start with what you consider a “Montanan”? Someone who’s lived here five minutes and bought a pair of Carhartts? That’s what most people seem to think are requisite to wear that title.

I'm not surprised you deflected to the trivial and avoided opining on anything substantive like the questions I asked and the two links I posted!

Being a Montanan means being the next best thing to a Founding Father type- which are Conservatives & Conservative-Libertarians.

It doesn't sound like you're a Montanan because you haven't said you're a Conservative or Conserva-tarian.

 

[Carole Baskins]

I'm not surprised you deflected to the trivial and avoided opining on anything substantive like the questions I asked and the two links I posted!

Being a Montanan means being the next best thing to a Founding Father type- which are Conservatives & Conservative-Libertarians.

It doesn't sound like you're a Montanan because you haven't said you're a Conservative or Conserva-tarian.

Born and raised native, friend. You sure seem to know a lot about the state. Just like everyone else.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Am I wrong- have both of these major problems recently been resolved by Montana voters?

When a Court Vetoes the People: It Happened in Montana

In Montana, the state’s highest court has asserted an absolute veto over what the people may add to their own constitution.

www.theepochtimes.com

Montana Supreme Court Disallows Referendum Over How Its Members Are Chosen

www.theepochtimes.com

So what are you folks in Montana going to do about it?

Are conservatives and libertarians just shrugging their shoulders? "Oh, well, I guess we are ruled by an oligarchy of robed lawyers."

Are there plans to reign them in?

 

[Milf Dots]

So what are you folks in Montana going to do about it?

Are conservatives and libertarians just shrugging their shoulders? "Oh, well, I guess we are ruled by an oligarchy of robed lawyers."

Are there plans to reign them in?

I'm in Florida caring for parents in their late 80s, so there's only so much I can do. Getting the facts out is key because the majority have no idea about the MT SupCt being so liberal.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Huffing canned air?

https://www.fairfieldsuntimes.com/n...cle_74ef89ff-c7f0-5752-8434-27dbd7364d02.html

Note nothing about a weapon on the other guy. You attack somebody in Montana unprovoked, and I guess you can expect to be stabbed, legally.

 

[Carole Baskins]

Huffing canned air?

https://www.fairfieldsuntimes.com/n...cle_74ef89ff-c7f0-5752-8434-27dbd7364d02.html

Note nothing about a weapon on the other guy. You attack somebody in Montana unprovoked, and I guess you can expect to be stabbed, legally.

There’s a wonderful tent city not far from that Walmart. What else do you know about this event?

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I know nothing at all - just what is in that linked article. A tent city? Montana is not a place where I would want to spend the winter in a tent.

 

[chevy_man]

I know nothing at all - just what is in that linked article. A tent city? Montana is not a place where I would want to spend the winter in a tent.

Every time the city builds a new street it gets overrun with campers and tents. They then get evicted and towed as businesses and homes move in and it continues.


Our old homeless guy used to go strip naked and cuss at the deputies so they'd arrest him if he was cold. He figured out the cheat code that they can't ignore a swinging dick because of the children...