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Ok,I was out shooting a hillside of ground squirrels with my .223 as usual.When I noticed a color on this other hillside that didn't blend in?I swing over that direction and low behold a coyote.I range him in at a little over 400yds.A good stretch for my caliber,but still within reason.I checked my click value and and sent a round down at it standing broadside....I hit right under it's belly in between the legs....Dammit!!oh well.So I watch him run like hell over the ridge and then stop right at the brush line WAY the hell out there.The bastard actually had the nerve to sit down...look at me...then start licking itself!!! I ranged him in at 840yds.Needless to say I was pissed and vowed to never let a coyote get that cocky again haha.
So my next project,I want to be able to hit that far out and rain nothing but fur and bone!!! No joke,I want stuff to fly and not just poke a little hole! Granted keep things in budget...what's the good round to do that?? .338?.6.5?.300 ultra?
 

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any of the 6.5s will do that with fairly easy ability and wont break the bank
 

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if coyote is what u wana hunt you should try a 22-250. You can reach out still with out pelt damage or very little. Ive dropped coyote at 600y in place using Nosler 40gn ballistic tips.
 

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I'm switching over my .223 barrel to a .204 anyways.I'm not to worried about pelts(I'm in California).I have no desire for shooting deer or any of the sort(been there done that).I just really enjoy varminting and have no problem blowing up squirrels out to 300+ yards.And the occasional coyote u surprise while driving out to shoot.But I've passed up to many shots out passed 500yards because of A.it's a long haul for .223 .B. I don't like having animals suffer(yes I like blowing up varmints when I hit them.Don't like poking a little hole and have them crawl/run off and suffer). So therefore I won't take un-necessary long shots if it's not going to have the potential to kill from the start. That's just how I view things wrong or right. Hence the reason I want to do to a varmint at 700+ yards,what a .223/204/22-250 etc will do to a squirrel at 150 yards. Am I asking for something not obtainable?? Thanks for the replys guys.
 

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You worry about pelt damage. I just like to kill em
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6.5, 7mm, 243.... 840yards isn't to far out there. The problem will be picking a good expanding bullet with high BC. Off the top of my head I would go with an a-max.
At the same time, 840 is far enough practice will be needed and time to make the shoot. I know I can't the pull up and shoot at that range. I need time to figure out what I need to do.
 

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If you can't place a killing shot on a coyote with .223 @ 400 yds. with an lrf, a new gun is not going to help you shoot any better.

Check your groups @ 100yds: if they're more than 3/4 MOA, refine your load or shooting technique before doing the following:

Go take your .223 and gather good elevation come ups from 100 to 1000yds @ 100yd intervals. Plug that into a ballistic calc & print out a dope sheet in 25yd increments. Include full value 10mph wind dope. Then go out & practice ranging & engaging random distance 12"x12" targets to refine wind calling skills. Do this until you hit every one out to 800yds consistently. Then use smaller targets & hone.

If you're still having problems, refine your load again.
 

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We used to shoot 300 win mags at 1000 yards with the huskemaw optics.They were my friends guns of course,and yes I got addicted to reaching way out there to hear that satisfying "tink" when the bullet hit the disc.But my pockets weren't that deep.So I stuck to the average varmint shooting.But now I'm ready to step it up.But also keeping things cost effective...which is prolly a vague statement.That's why I just want to do it right the first time.(prolly another vague statement).I would like to be like "oh look...there's a coyote.He's what? 1100 yards? No problem...(click goes the turrets)...boom!!!....(pop/smack)...haha...you see those chunks fly!!" yeah that pretty much sums it up. I was looking at the .338 armalite...?
 

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: r1les</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But my pockets weren't that deep.... I was looking at the .338 armalite...? </div></div>

    a 338 isnt cheep to shoot.

    a 7mm mag may be just the ticket, if you dont want to go custom...
     

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    I shoot 50 grain vmax with 24'ish grams of powder.The shot at the coyote was yarded,clicked,and shot at in under a minute.unfortunately they aren't paper targets that give u time and a few practice shots.I have an Bushnell Elite 4200,8x32 on my .223. I have yardage marks already scratched on my turrets.It was just one of those shots...maybe the dog just took a deep breath in when the bullet was on it's way haha.
    My friend shoots a pretty suped up 308. Has all the proper loads.And another has a 300 mag.All great guns.Just getting the guys who live and breath this stuff,opinions and knowledge.This gun definitely won't get the use my .223 soon to be .204 ,will get.But yes I do want the capability of 1000 plus...and not just paper targets.thanks guys!


    My friend shoots a pretty suped
     

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    Powder is typically measured in grains, chief. If you're using grams, you're going to get that total devastation in a hurry.

    Better get back to reading those glossy gun porn mags sonny..
     

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    Sorry fir not using the proper verbage.My iPhone tends to change words to how it thinks it should fit in the sentence,while typing.I don't proof read.sue me.anyways,I've been looking up the Armalite .338.It looks like it's been getting some decent reviews,while reasonably priced.I appreciate all the good input.Seems like either the 7 mags,300's,or 6.5's are the way to go.The finer details are just user preference I guess.As long as the final results put a smile on your face...to each his own.Theres definitely some awe inspiring rifles on this site also.Something to work for.Thanks guys!
     

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    Sako TRG 42 in 300win $2650
    Armalite AR30 in 300win $1599
    Remington 700 XCR Tacgical 300win $1325
    Howa Axiom 308 $659(not talked about on here alot, but still a nice rifle for the price)
    List goes on and on.... The AR30 will get you a detachable mag, muzzle break and good out of the box accuracy for a great price, but it does not fit everyone ergonomically. i feel they are a GREAT rifle for the price. The TRG is great, but u get what u pay for. The XCR is a nice out of the box remington, but its getting a little costly, and the Axiom is a bad ass rifle that is a blast to shoot, but REQUIRES a new trigger (timney is round $100 for it) 300 win will get you a reasonable cost to shoot rifle with great long rang take down power
     

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    Thanks for the price comparisons.I've been leaning towards the armalites for awhile now.Decisions decisions...
    I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a .338. Yeah it's big for the application I'm going to use it for.I'd rather start with a bigger caliber.If I'm not happy with that?Then I'll get rid of it and step it down a notch to a caliber to a rifle that's more practical.At least I wouldn't have to wonder....
     

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    the initial cost of the rifle will be the same, it is the cost to shoot it and be proficient shooting it. you are probably going to be spend 3x as much EVEN RELOADING a 338LM. Just something to think about.
     

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    If you want big, might as well just bite the bullet n get a 416barret. Give you more range than a 300 and carry more punch.
     

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    A .416 would definitely do the trick.I don't know anyone in the remote area that shoots one though.I know the .338 is definitely a pricey individual to shoot with.Last night I found someone in the area that does shoot one.And he already has some loads cooked up,along with everything else.There's half the battle right there.I would love to see what a .416 would do though.Don't get me wrong,it's impressive seeing the close grouped shots on paper that are always posted on here.But I get even more impressed when there's pics/videos of guys hammering an animal with NO warm up shots.I looked up "long range hunting" on YouTube last night.There's a video with guys pretty much promoting night force optics.They were dropping some animals 1200 plus yards.Making shots at 1600 yards.That was cool.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: r1les</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A .416 would definitely do the trick.I don't know anyone in the remote area that shoots one though.I know the .338 is definitely a pricey individual to shoot with.Last night I found someone in the area that does shoot one.And he already has some loads cooked up,along with everything else.There's half the battle right there.I would love to see what a .416 would do though.Don't get me wrong,it's impressive seeing the close grouped shots on paper that are always posted on here.But I get even more impressed when there's pics/videos of guys hammering an animal with NO warm up shots.I looked up "long range hunting" on YouTube last night.There's a video with guys pretty much promoting night force optics.They were dropping some animals 1200 plus yards.Making shots at 1600 yards.That was cool. </div></div>

    The video you refer to is more than likely of the 338 EDGE. The issue with shots like that is at some point, the rifle becomes so much less a part of that shot and the skill of the shooter is what makes it happen. Don't get caught in the idea that money will make you a better shooter. While yes, better equipment will help yield you better results, it all boils down to the shooter. What you've shoot inside 400 yards has little barring on first round hits past say 500. Its a whole new animal.

    Keeping all that in mind, you said your not really interested in larger game for this rifle and therefor if feel it would be a detriment for you to get into something like a 338 with the blast and kick of a large magnum rifle. You will need thousands of rounds down range to hone the skill really needed to place good ethical shots on animals out that far. Therefor, I would recommend a 7-08 or 260 as the both have great range for such a small affordable cartridge and the barrel life is such that you won't just be getting a good load when you shoot the barrel out.

    Some of the best advise given on this site is to start with something simple and work on your shooting skills. By the time your good enough to move up the bigger guns, you'll know alot more about what you really need.
     

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    At 840 yards, 223 with 75-80 a-max won't blow it away, but would do just fine
     

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    As several have told you already you have a capable rifle for the job. You need foregone the load and then get good, real dope not just 100yd zeros and a calculator. I kill g'hogs with a savage 12 in 223 out past 600 and they are a much smaller target than a yote. I have a 204 as well and it is more impressive inside 400 yards but I don't trust it to cleanly kill like the 223 will do with heavy bullets. If you're really set on a vaporizer you don't want a big heavy 338 Papua. You want something blistering fast. Velocity gives the explosive effect. Get a 22-250 or 220 swift or 6mm rem AI all twisted for heavy bullets.

    My phone does that same stupid text editing as well. If someone knows how to turn that crap of on a DROID I would like to know.
     

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    i have to disagree with most of the advice above . nothing in the 308 family is going to be "devasting " @ 800 yds or even close . and the 223 has similar power to a 22 mag @ that distace .nuff said . if your really looking for devastation @ 800 yds + , you will have to step up to a magnum . you can kill it with a 243 .260 etc but it wont be very impessive . i would look @ the the 300 win mag , ultra mag , 338 lapua , 338 edge . then get some a- max or berger bullets . then if you hit that coyote in the shoulders you may get some devastation . and yes they cost more $ to shoot than a 223 . its not a free lunch
     

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    You guys definitely have some valid points that I was thining of neforehand.But just needed confirmation so to speak.My .223 I have played around with alot've different loads.From 45 grainers,up to 65 grain Game Kings.Each has there own tale to tell I guess.Im content with the 50 vmax.I usually just hang out around the 200-400 yard range(yes Ive shot my .223 at the 800 yard disc with success).BUt like anything else a person gets bored and wants more.Especially reaching way out there to the arrogant coyotes who know how far they need to run.
    I just got emails back from our local gunsmith that I got alot've good reviews about.He pretty much said the same things.7 ultra mag or the 6.5.He made a valid point saying the bullet needs a high velocity to reach out there,with a very fast twist to stabilize the bullet.(of course),but also needs a fragile bullet so to speak to get the "devastation" needed.
    He pointed me towards another very informative site www.6mmbr.com

    He's already pricing me out a 6.5.If its not what I was looking for??I sell it and go the next step up.No biggy.I was just choosing a starting point.Either start big and work my way small...or vise versa.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264win</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i have to disagree with most of the advice above . nothing in the 308 family is going to be "devasting " @ 800 yds or even close . and the 223 has similar power to a 22 mag @ that distace .nuff said . if your really looking for devastation @ 800 yds + , you will have to step up to a magnum . you can kill it with a 243 .260 etc but it wont be very impessive . i would look @ the the 300 win mag , ultra mag , 338 lapua , 338 edge . then get some a- max or berger bullets . then if you hit that coyote in the shoulders you may get some devastation . and yes they cost more $ to shoot than a 223 . its not a free lunch </div></div>

    It is/was a yote.....not a elk or moose......

    there is not exactly alot of material in a yote to dump that much energy unless you plan of hitting it and skinning it in one event....
     

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    if you want to shoot flat past 1000 yards a rem sendaro in 7mm Ultra Mag will shoot realy flat and makker anything past a mile for your use the 7mm would be better than a 338 as it is a lot flatter with a 180gr Berger or 175gr MatchKing and the wind drifts are very clost to 1000 yards the 7mm Ultra Mag will actualy be in front so consider this fast flat shooting round it could be the ticket if you were after larger game the 338 is fine.
    Now you will burn the 7mm untra mag barrel out in 1000 rounds but the projectiles are a lot cheeper than the 338's and they throw just under 2/3 the projectile a lot faster than the 338's will.
     

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    Look into the 6.5 calibers then, great round. 6.5x47 Lapua, 260 remington, 6.5 Creedmoor. Check out this thread for more info on all

    http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1008453&page=1

    Also look at the 6.5 WSM wildcat,easy to make brass

    i personally own a 6.5x47 Lapua... but its apples and oranges

    And 6.5 is NOT going to get you the DEVASTATION you seek. if you want a yote to explode, you are going to want to go with 7mm+, bigger the better splat. 7WSM, 300WSM, 7mm STW, 300 Win, RUM versions of these, Weatherby Versions of these. i personally LOVE the 30s, there are so many amazing long range rounds available with really decent cost to shoot. 300wsm, 300 Win, 300RUM, 300 Weatherby, 30-378, and many more nice big bang rounds. buts thats just personal preference
     

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    If you reload......

    .284 Win using a 180 grain boattail over Reloader17.
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Centerfire1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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    300RUM with 91 grains of RL-25 and 210 VLD's at 3180 !!!!!
    Dirt Nap!! Game over !!! </div></div>

    At what range? Yeah, Its dead but how much of that barrel life and powder did you burn to let probably 80% of the energy in the dirt on the other side of the dog. Point being, Its dead, but the round didn't dump its power so no exploded yoat
     

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    I owned a stock remington 700 in 300winmag. Had RWS here on the hide rebarrel it and true the action for me. The work was done as requested and spend every week shooting out to a mile with it. The rifle is easily capable of cold bore shots at a 1000yds with plenty of punch using match black hills 190's. reload using an amax bullet and you will definately have a capable rifle for what you want. A newer company who has done great work for me is STR also here on the hide who can put together a similar package. The rest will be up to the shooter.
     

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    Decisions decisions?! I'm pretty much wanting my cake and eat it to I guess.I had a 300 ultra short mag that I was going to use as my long stick.But got offered a good price for it and away it went.I just need to put 6.5,300,7 mag on 3 little pieces of paper and just draw from a hat.I could nit pick each little different scenario,each rifle is capable of.Some people are totally fine with poking a hole and getting PG results.me? I like my results somewhere in the rated R/NC-17 range!
    That's a nice looking rifle by the way,laying on the coyote.The guy did have a valid point though.That round prolly went straight through and traveled another couple hundred yards haha.
     

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    If you want complete and total devastation try a .338 Lapua Imp with a 300 gr Berger at 2960 FPS. I will tell you it is a very ugly or beautiful sight depending on your point of view!! Just my opinion though.
    Guther
     

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    You guys suggesting the big mags are missing how hydrostatic shock works. Unless you shoot a "light for caliber" bullet extremely fast you don't get exploding critters. A 338 LM and 300 great bullets will make it there with lots of energy but that big bullet isn't going to leave all of its energy in the critter and make it blow up. Pass throughs wont give you explosions raining fur and red mist. You need impact velocities in excess of 2500 fps. Look at a 300 WSM throated and twisted for the 110 vmax and oyou can get those results on g'hogs at 600yd.

    The 220 Swift I mentioned above has the case capacity to drive the heavy 75-90 gr bullets in a fast twist to retain the velocity you need for red rain.
     

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    I shot a coyote at 450yds or so with a 300wsm 185gr berger, hole in behind the shoulder, and nothing left passed that. I had shot him and didn't see him drop, but saw a yore leave, their was a dead cow right there, week later I rode by the spot and saw fur and blood, he died obviously and I had mistaken the second one for him. Needless to say that cartridge devistates them. They also make a 223wsm, goes 4000 plus I'd I remember right.
     

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    ive noticed that light bullets going fast are amazing @ close range , but not so hot @ 800 yds . also on live game the bullet diameter seems to have a notable effect on the terminal balistic perfomance [ red mist factor ] a 220 swift with any bullet is not going to be impressive @ 800 + yds . since you cant have extreme velocity @ lr , you have to go with bigger expaning bullets and shoot for bone stucture .
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: r1les</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok,I was out shooting a hillside of ground squirrels with my .223 as usual.When I noticed a color on this other hillside that didn't blend in?I swing over that direction and low behold a coyote.I range him in at a little over 400yds.A good stretch for my caliber,but still within reason.I checked my click value and and sent a round down at it standing broadside....I hit right under it's belly in between the legs....Dammit!!oh well.So I watch him run like hell over the ridge and then stop right at the brush line WAY the hell out there.The bastard actually had the nerve to sit down...look at me...then start licking itself!!! I ranged him in at 840yds.Needless to say I was pissed and vowed to never let a coyote get that cocky again haha.
    So my next project,I want to be able to hit that far out and rain nothing but fur and bone!!! No joke,I want stuff to fly and not just poke a little hole! Granted keep things in budget...what's the good round to do that?? .338?.6.5?.300 ultra? </div></div>

    One of my favorite cartridges is 6-284.It would send 87vmax at almost 3500 fps out of a 29" barrel and would blow up a Prairie dog at 700Y still.

    This rifle loaded with some Amax would be a great long range rifle for your purposes too. http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...056#Post1960056
     

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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264win</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ive noticed that light bullets going fast are amazing @ close range , but not so hot @ 800 yds . also on live game the bullet diameter seems to have a notable effect on the terminal balistic perfomance [ red mist factor ] a 220 swift with any bullet is not going to be impressive @ 800 + yds . since you cant have extreme velocity @ lr , you have to go with bigger expaning bullets and shoot for bone stucture . </div></div>

    Yes and no, you're right that light bullets lose velocity very quickly. Like I said though, the 220 Swift has the case capacity to drive 75-90's fast enough to retain a lot of velocity at those ranges. An 80 VLD starting at 3600fps, which is attainable from the 220 Swift without too much trouble, will still be doing 2100 fps at 800yd. Certainly enough to expand and do lots of splattering damage on a light skinned creature like the 'yote.

    The 110's in a 300 WSM isn't my idea, it's something that another guy dreamed up and uses it for popping g'hogs at 1000+yd. Even at 1000yd it still flings them up in the air according to his videos/website.
     

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    .260 with 95gr V-Max out to 400-500yd, .280 with 120gr Nosler BT beyond.
     

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    r1les, I can tell you now that shot placement plays a big part in acheiving red mist.

    The projectiles frangability plays the second part.

    Think jacketed match projectiles, particularly those with plastic tips (a-max) expand rapidly and usually causes the fur to fly.

    To put this all into perspective I have shot at fox's side on and had the projectile pass through leaving only a hole the size of a coin.

    IF, and this is a decent IF... IF you can shoot the coyote front on, or from the rear, in line with the direction of the projectiles flight you will have a wound channel that runs the length of the animal and not just a few inches thru. This translates to the animal taking the majority of the energy of the projectile as well as the added benefit of a long wound channel.

    I have on one occasion shot a fox that was facing towards me. He was sniffing down into the earth at about 100 yards away. The projectile entered via the skull and pass thru the animal somewhere towards the rear. The fox was practicaly torn in half beyond the shoulders with parts of the jacket tearing the poor little guy in half around his waist. A rear quarter of the fox was missing, from what I gather was the main portion of the projectile leaving.
     

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    30-338 lapua running the Barnes 135 at 4,300+ fps
    300 wsm running nosler 125 gr @ 3900-4000 fps
    He runs slow twists for the lighter bullets so he can get the speed up
    which gives the visual effect your looking for. The big VLD's do buck the wind and look better ballistically on paper but you won't get the visual effect. Having watched the franklin vids I tried it with my ultarmag; 300 Ultra with a 26" barrel factory rifle I can get to 4,000 FPS with the lighter bullets but the accuracy is not there for long range varmints. I have never seen anything devastate a deer so bad at 150 yds. Haven't shot a coyote though.

    http://www.richardscustomrifles.com/

    check out the video's
     

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    true splatter,= .50 cal

    sometimes cheaper than .338lm ammo

    Way overkill for coyotes, but would give u the "flying fur" you badly seek.
     

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    I think the 220 swift would give you plenty of power to do what you want. Another good option I have seen would be the 243 AI, I can get 3650 out of a 70 grain BT in a regular 243 without working up to max load, I would imagine 3800 or higher would be attainable with the extra case capacity.
     

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    Based on what you are wanting ,I'm going to recommend the 300WSM or 7MM WSM. Those with the right bullets should do the trick nicely. Since you aren't shooting larger game and you wouldn't need heavier bullets then I would stay with the WSM cartridge. Cheaper to load than the 300 WM and 7mm Rem mag (but I still like those cartridges as well)but I don't like the belt when feeding. The 300WSM is like a hotter 308 and the 270WSM is like a hotter 7mm-08. Best of both worlds if you ask me, Magnum like performance without many drawbacks (Shortened barrel life, more expense when reloading, a longer action.
    Hope this helps... There are many cartridges that will do what you are asking, you just have to pick one and hammer down in that direction.
    ......Have fun deciding.......SmokeRolls
     

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    .338 Norma Mag.
    300 Gr Sierra vs a Yote makes for one hell of a spalsh.
    The last one I hit at 675 kinda blew up.
    Big money for Yote killing but sometimes you just got to have fun.
     

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    I live on a ranch and do alot of varmint shooting. The following is my experience:

    A 50BMG just pokes holes. There is no way to transfer the energy to the light body of a coyote. If there were frangible bullets for it, that may be a different story, but i doubt it.

    A .22-250 will kill it, but not have the explosive effect you are looking for. Same with the .308 shooting FED GMM 168gr BTHP.

    I have had seen the red mist when shooting my .30-378 Weatherby Mag at a coyote at distance, but where you hit it makes a big difference.

    Transferring the energy from a bullet at ultra high velocity is the key. Frangible rounds, when pushed hard, often disintegrate in flight. Its a real balancing act.
     

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    I checked the Hodgdon site, then ran the numbers for the .280 Rem, 120gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, and a 3200fps MV. At 800 it's doing 1500+fps and packing 600+ft/lb of energy.

    .260, 95gr V-Max, 3300fps gives 1480fps, 460ft/lb at 800yd.

    All my numbers assume 800ft ASL, my local altitude.

    I have no idea about expansion at that speed/distance, but there's energy to spare.

    Greg