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PRS Talk Is the ATACR worth the extra money compared to the Vortex Gen 2 for strictly PRS style matches?
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1300 was the final. But yes to me it’s an issue if they’re coming loose, a part of it. I could have easily replaced the screws if they were out of spec or added a little more loctite to the threads for extra resistance, just how other Vortex users resolved it. The number one reason I sold the scope was because I thought the reticle was garbage (the holo center) and I stated this earlier, that was my fault for purchasing that. Yeah I could have called Vortex to install a TMR3, look at the screws, but that’s more time and money, I didn’t feel like going down that route. Doesn’t mean the scope was broken, or like I said about this earlier that any of them are broken, there just needs to be more tension on the threads, which is why guys are suggesting to lock it down well beyond factory torque specs.
Anyways OP good luck shopping.
I just sold my Gen II razor to purchase an ATACR. I seriously doubt that I will regret it.
Very interesting read though.
I, in my limited experience, think that the NF glass is just a little bit better than the Razor Gen II glass. Like I said, that is my personal opinion and WE ALL KNOW what they say about opinions....
Very interesting read though.
I, in my limited experience, think that the NF glass is just a little bit better than the Razor Gen II glass. Like I said, that is my personal opinion and WE ALL KNOW what they say about opinions....
I’ve been very impressed with my 5-25 atacr, the glass is phenomenal. I’ve also been very happy with my 1-6 razor. Both great companies and I don’t think you can really go wrong!
That's brand new if it's happening as Vortex got out of the mil/le etc sales. I highly doubt that post is accurate. Don't get your hopes up.
A friend of mine has had one for years. NOT LE/MIL of any kind, a pencil pusher at a desk job who probably orders 3 pieces a year on average. I'm not doing the leg work for you. If you want it you call them and figure it out. If you don't believe me that is fine, no skin off my back
No they still do le/mil fire etc through places but I will check if they do it direct anymore. I know for a time they stopped direct sales but went through the site that does those sales. They might have started doing the direct sales again for le mil fire etc but never heard of the 50% off sales that he is talking about. The le mil was always 40 % off msrp.
Ok to set the record straight on Vortex. They do still do some personal LE/Mil/Fire/Vet sales but mostly direct people to ExpertVoice. They still do direct government sales. All those are at 40% off MSRP. They do not have wholesale accounts for individuals giving them 50% off MSRP. They don't even give that amount for FFL dealers.
I own 3 NF NXS and 1 SHV. I HATE how the entire occular rotates on the NSX's. It is the stupidest thing ever. I also own a few Swarovski scopes and I LOVE them. I don't own any Vortex gear at all because I have never felt like supporting the Chinese was a good thing. We try our damndest to not buy anything made in China.
I'll echo comments that were made on the first page. I have been very happy with my Vortex scopes and I think your best option would be buying a used Gen 2 and running it. As you go to matches you will have lots of opportunities to look through other high end scopes then you can make the decision if you want to move up to the ATACR or something else. You won't take much of a hit selling your used Razor and then can put that money into something else. Right now put the extra money your saving between RAzor and ATACR to training or ammo to become a better shooter. Props to you for considering a Razor or ATACR in the first place a lot of guys I have helped get into shooting won't even consider spending over $1000 on scopes. I haven't owned an ATACR but have several close friends that do and they are awesome scopes and I will own one some day but right now I just can't justify the extra money for one.
I just about fell outta my chair when I saw how heavy that vortex is lol defenitly want that chunker on a bench gun.You just saved a few bucks:
Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 EBR-2C Riflescope RZR-42706
Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56 EBR-2C Riflescope RZR-42706 | Only at EuroOptic.com!www.eurooptic.com
Nightforce ATACR 5-25x56mm F1 ZeroStop .1 Mil-Radian DigIllum PTL Mil-R C546 Showroom Demo
Nightforce ATACR 5-25x56mm F1 ZeroStop .1 Mil-Radian DigIllum PTL Mil-R C546 Show Demo
People have been saying that since they came out but they are not bench scopes and highly used in PRS matches. Lots of positional shooting. The Razor II is only about 10 ounces heavier than the ATACR and when you see people building 18+ pound rifles and adding weight to them to get them heavier the 10 ounces is nothing.
18 pound guns, Do they make them that heavy intentionally to help with recoil or does it just happen naturally?
The majority are between 18-21 pounds, and it's a function of weight balance, recoil reduction, and shrinking your holds to hit the small targets the MD's are putting out there. I find greatly diminished returns over 20 pounds myself. As long as it balances well and you have a good brake and scope, you don't really "buy" any extra points by slapping weights on it.
I'm obviously biased. I"ve shot both scopes The Gen II for 3 years and the ATACR 7-35 for the last 5. What is a mid match zero shift worth? I can tell you $250 match fee, $600 plane flight, $287 for the hotel and you can double that because you will have to shoot another match when your score sucks. I haven't had to chase my scope in 5 years. What is that worth?
What is ocular turning?
The whole eye piece rotates with the NF. Some guys don't like it.
Not quite. I got one of the first 7-35s as a pre production RnD in 2015.
Just picked up an Atacr F1 5-25x56 from Eurooptic used. Immediately turned off by customer service and the scope condition. This thing was Heavily used ( was told it was a return) so much that numbers on the turrets were worn. Mounted it up today and took it out to test for function and see whether or not I would return for another Gen 2 Razor. The glass is clearer. The rotating ocular is weird AF. Form the little tracking test it seemed on. Paralax may be a bit off from the dial numbers.
Overall taking it out again tomorrow with my other rifle that has the Ebr 7 to compare side by side. Right now leaning towards a $400 refund and a 2nd Razor.
Details....paid $2520 with tax for this. Not too happy about being lied to about condition and told return it or suck it basically.
Overall taking it out again tomorrow with my other rifle that has the Ebr 7 to compare side by side. Right now leaning towards a $400 refund and a 2nd Razor.
Details....paid $2520 with tax for this. Not too happy about being lied to about condition and told return it or suck it basically.
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To be fair, they did say it was a used return.
Ignore the parallax numbers, just like you would on any optic. If you’re worried about the internal integrity, or want a new turret, hit up NF. Their customer service team is one of the best groups out there and they’ll get you taken care of. The rotating ocular housing takes getting used to but it’s fast and easy to manipulate in any condition. If I’m being fair, I absolutely hated the rotating ocular at first but only because I never used an optic that did that before. Now it’s not even a thought.
I already did. Nightforce customer service is awesome. Dillon hooked it up and even offered to have me send it un for a fully warranty checkup. With hunting season starting he said it would be about 6 weeks.
Gonna go shoot it again today, and just do a side by side with the Razor.
Sold a Steiner T5xi 5-25x56 to get the Atacr. Its going on the Impact .308 with the copperhead stock. My 6.5 Impact with the Razor is in the background.
Gonna go shoot it again today, and just do a side by side with the Razor.
Sold a Steiner T5xi 5-25x56 to get the Atacr. Its going on the Impact .308 with the copperhead stock. My 6.5 Impact with the Razor is in the background.
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That is my only beef with the whole transaction.
Keeping the Nightforce. Its better glass for sure.
Keeping the Nightforce. Its better glass for sure.
Shot a Gen 2 razor on my match rifle for several years. Love the 2C reticle. Never had any issues. Did have to send it back once but only because I stripped the turret screw. Had it fixed and back to me in under a weak no questions asked. Sold it last November and bought the 7-35 ATCR. No issues with the razor, it was just on a gun that somebody made me a killer offer on. I’m very happy with the Nightforce as well. I know a few guys that consolidated a lot of their optics when the 7-35 came out and just went to that. I give a slight edge to the 7-35 over the 4.5-27 razor but nothing too ideal. If you can afford the Nightforce then get it. Otherwise get the razor. Both will be a great scope and do everything you need.
My 7-35 arrives tomorrow morning. Sent the 5-25 back. Got the Mil Xt.
