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i agree in principal that oversight is needed, but the problem is that the "government" cannot be trusted.
more oversight means more bribery and corruption.
look at how they controlled HIV treatments, getting rich off AZT that was killing people, not helping them.
this was the government and fauci in action.
IRS, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DEA, FDA, CDC...
all of these have been proven corrupt and while we know there are criminals throughout, there is little if any prosecution.
you can even add a layer of oversight on top of the oversight, and you would just get more corruption.
Fuck no LB, the government can't be trusted. You can trust they're not looking out for your health and best interest and are only interested in controlling you. If they can't, then exterminating you. The red blooded Patriots of America have become quite the problem for the NWO Globalists.i agree in principal that oversight is needed, but the problem is that the "government" cannot be trusted.
more oversight means more bribery and corruption.
look at how they controlled HIV treatments, getting rich off AZT that was killing people, not helping them.
this was the government and fauci in action.
IRS, DOJ, FBI, CIA, DEA, FDA, CDC...
all of these have been proven corrupt and while we know there are criminals throughout, there is little if any prosecution.
you can even add a layer of oversight on top of the oversight, and you would just get more corruption.
So... are there no forensic audits being done on death records? Can't imagine that there isn't anyone with a vested interest in finding that kind of information out.if they were identified as a covid case, yes. many died "with" covid, but only a fraction of the listed deaths died from covid/pneumonia
You do realize that practically every far left group, is also anti-globalist? Both here and abroad. And they are far more direct in their methods than any "red blooded Patriots" on record, to date. From Seattle, to Honk Kong, to Paris.The red blooded Patriots of America have become quite the problem for the NWO Globalists.
So... are there no forensic audits being done on death records? Can't imagine that there isn't anyone with a vested interest in finding that kind of information out.
there are taxpayer protection groups that have tied covid payouts to over-counting of covid cases and deaths, sure.So... are there no forensic audits being done on death records? Can't imagine that there isn't anyone with a vested interest in finding that kind of information out.
What's one race when we stole an ENTIRE election in November?
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From the most conservative point of view, the denigration of these vaccines because they were fast is extremely troubling.
In case you missed the vid when the link was messed up.....
How Illinois counts Covid....
That's fine. I think everything should be an individual choice. My problem is with the idea that these should be judged as dangerous because the government didn't do enough oversight on them. I just never thought I would hear that position from self styled conservatives and free thinkers.My turn just came up last week and I passed.
I'll let others (like possibly you) be my long term side effect lab rats.
If I even take it, it won't be any sooner than next summer.
Argue at the stasis of definition if you like. Now show me how increased central agency power over medicines which creates virtual cartels is totally in keeping with what the founders imagined? It is literally an argument for more of the dreaded "deep state." Literally, the opposite of strong property rights, individual liberty, limited government and federal/state balance.I think if the political and social ways of thinking or philosophies to be conserved is what the founders envisioned and set out in the COTUS then most here would consider themselves conservatives.
But, if what is to be conserved is the current thinking of republicans in office today, I do not see much that needs to be conserved. The neo-con way of thinking has long since deviated from the original idea of strong property rights, individual liberty, limited government in both size and scope, as well as striking a proper balance between federal powers and states' rights.
Conservatism is not the absence of government. It's the limitation of government to its strictly constitutional roles.That's fine. I think everything should be an individual choice. My problem is with the idea that these should be judged as dangerous because the government didn't do enough oversight on them. I just never thought I would hear that position from self styled conservatives and free thinkers.
Show me the part of the constitution that creates the powers the FDA, and other government agencies, have.Conservatism is not the absence of government. It's the limitation of government to its strictly constitutional roles.
nope.You do realize that practically every far left group, is also anti-globalist? Both here and abroad. And they are far more direct in their methods than any "red blooded Patriots" on record, to date. From Seattle, to Honk Kong, to Paris.
Do you not consider that there is a concerted "divide and conquer" strategy, to destroy political discourse in America? And that threads like this one, lay it bare?
I'd even go so far as to say that this whole matter of Covid-19, isn't even the problem. It's just a symptom of a much larger problem.
I chuckle a bit when people use the term "neo-con". The political ideals espoused by modern republicans, is Neoliberalism. It's the gospel that all of the talking heads preach.I think if the political and social ways of thinking or philosophies to be conserved is what the founders envisioned and set out in the COTUS then most here would consider themselves conservatives.
But, if what is to be conserved is the current thinking of republicans in office today, I do not see much that needs to be conserved. The neo-con way of thinking has long since deviated from the original idea of strong property rights, individual liberty, limited government in both size and scope, as well as striking a proper balance between federal powers and states' rights.
That's fine. But 5 and 15 year health effects are generally not part of the approval process under any circumstances. And for good reason. If it took 15 years to approve a drug, we'd be a much poorer world.I judge the vaccine dangerous because no one can tell me how, or even if, it will negatively affect my health 1, 5, 15 years down the road.
Do you know why they can't? Because no testing has been done to check that.
It isn't just the limiting of liability. It is the pure cost of doing a drug trial, much of which is just wasted money. It means that only companies with huge balance sheets can produce new drugs, so emerging companies get bought up by the big companies, or the have to "partner" with them to get a drug through. Either way, very few can do it, and it will stay that way, which will keep competition down and prices up. So the existence of the cartels, which are formed by government policy, is a problem in and of itself, and it is not limited to any obvious damage they cause, meaning the damage is far wider spread.I would never argue against a position like that.
I do agree that limiting the legal liability of companies has created a cartel like environment. Take away their legal protections and the problem solves itself.
But, the issue is what happens when the cartels cause damage and don't want to be held liable for the damage they caused. The issue is that the common person has almost no recourse in the current environment. It's easy to see why people are calling for the ones with the power to intervene when the entities causing the damage are shielded from liability.
I do agree that the conservative argument would be more along the lines of removing the liability shielding provisions of current legislation instead of asking for government intervention.
That's really the best response you could muster? Fuckin' hell. You poor bastard.You just dont know shit....you think you do, but you just dont! Your feelings of moral superiority and intelligence cloud your own common sense. Youre ignorant, because you think your not!
Please tell me more about my hatered of education and intellect, and your whatnot!
Hop out of your allegory cave, put some shades on, and learn your just like the rest of us....no smarter, no less, just clouded because you have have been down in the cave thinking you are something youre not.
Youre stupid, just like the rest of us, just like "them", even though you think your something youre not!
Never mind, go stick your head up a horses ass, where it belongs.....dolt!
Conservatism is not the absence of government. It's the limitation of government to its strictly constitutional roles.
I judge the vaccine dangerous because no one can tell me how, or even if, it will negatively affect my health 1, 5, 15 years down the road.
Do you know why they can't? Because no testing has been done to check that.
So who's the ones throwing rocks in the streets, then?nope.
they were anti-globalist in the last century, but they flipped and are funding by soros, zuckerberg, gates and their ilk now.
Show me the part of the constitution that creates the powers the FDA, and other government agencies, have.
It's hard to imagine a more distorted and unfree market as health care.Which is a great observation of one of the many ways the Courts and Congress have gone so far off the rails.
The more governmental regulations you remove, the closer to a contractual issue it becomes. If it is a purely voluntary transaction, then it becomes whether any information which makes up the basis of the contract was fraudulent or not and whether both parties upheld the terms of the contract.
This is a scenario that almost seems like speaking a foreign language in modern medicine. Although the solution is dirt simple, it would sufficiently bring the cost down in the scenarios you described.
Maybe 15 is a bit far to go, but 2 - 3 years would be reasonable for me.That's fine. But 5 and 15 year health effects are generally not part of the approval process under any circumstances. And for good reason. If it took 15 years to approve a drug, we'd be a much poorer world.
But as one MSM journalist stated...your vaccination card is your ticket to freedom.
Science is in many ways dependent on government funding.Waiting for the rain here but here goes nothin
science is as it can do doesn't matter what your affiliation, a vaccine if available works or it doesn't
from all i can tell Politicians are working on feelings and spin doctors
science works on a litmus test it is either yes or no or to what degree
so maybe put it to the test believe the bullet as was said by one well versed individual
a lot of the argument i found through what they taught me was the way in which they test
They involve things like placebo's in a lot of their research this skews results from what i have noted
the only answers you are going to get is accuracy through volume run enough head of stock through a treatment see what the results are
problem with that is where do u get the data for the watching of the herd if u cant control the paddock or observe it first hand
it's really simple - find a doctor friend. Or a doctor friend of a friend. Give them a financial incentive. Have them load up the syringe, and squirt it on the floor. A vaccine has been administered, it's on your record.At some point this trend needs to be bucked or this won't be a planet worth living in.
And people who have no more fucks to give about life can be the most dangerous. Especially when they're smart, intelligent, and educated.
Testing begins when you get the shot.Conservatism is not the absence of government. It's the limitation of government to its strictly constitutional roles.
I judge the vaccine dangerous because no one can tell me how, or even if, it will negatively affect my health 1, 5, 15 years down the road.
Do you know why they can't? Because no testing has been done to check that.
I don't think it has shit to do with the government oversight, but everything to do with scientific studies. There's not been enough time.That's fine. I think everything should be an individual choice. My problem is with the idea that these should be judged as dangerous because the government didn't do enough oversight on them. I just never thought I would hear that position from self styled conservatives and free thinkers.
i'd have to disagree.So who's the ones throwing rocks in the streets, then?
Republicans today cannot be anti-globalist, when their very ideology is laid upon the neoliberal principles that actually enable globalism. It makes no sense to state otherwise.
I'd beg to differ that the left is no longer anti-globalist. They have been temporarily side-tracked by the "woke" movement. But the anti-globalist movement is still very much alive and well in cities. Have you not heard of the "Tax Amazon" movement? Bezos is supposedly one of those who is spearheading Socialism in the US, so he should enjoy unfettered support from the left...
I don't need to do anything of the sortit's really simple - find a doctor friend. Or a doctor friend of a friend. Give them a financial incentive. Have them load up the syringe, and squirt it on the floor. A vaccine has been administered, it's on your record.
This may or may not have already been done.
There are no problems which are without creative solutions.
I know. That's why I'm letting others be the rats.Testing begins when you get the shot.
there are taxpayer protection groups that have tied covid payouts to over-counting of covid cases and deaths, sure.
do you think anything will happen?
that is the problem with government payouts, from welfare to payroll protection plans. free money is impossible for many to resist.
add the fact that the government basically outlawed elective surgeries that hospitals rely on for income, they were almost forced to over-report to survive in some cases.
Disagree as you like, but the left has just as many confusions and contradictions in their thought/word/deed, as the right does. (again, my references to neoliberalism, and divide and conquer)i'd have to disagree.
climate hoax is globalist income redistribution - via the left
gun control and the idea that the UN should set rules for members is globalist crap - supported by the left
universal healthcare and the "right for every human to free healthcare" is a leftist globalist idea.
no borders is leftist globalist bullshit.
the left protested the wto as globalist because of who controls the money.
now that money feeds the left...woke culture.
If that's not reason enough for secession, I don't know what is.
This is exactly what I was saying before, when I stated that Capitalism has been hijacked. And yet, you'll have people standing strong in their defiance of the notion, for fear that they might be seen as some sort of "socialist". If Fox News tomorrow ran an apologist piece on big pharma, that shit would be swallowed, hook, line, and sinker."Now we are not going to be able to, basically, if this continues, publish any more clinical research data because the pharmaceutical companies are so financially powerful today, and are able to use such methodologies, as to have us accept papers which are apparently methodologically perfect, but which, in reality, manage to conclude what they want them to conclude," said Lancet EIC Richard Horton.
That is a bit troubling, for sure.
I misunderstood you before. I mistakenly thought that you had said that all deaths were being treated as Covid deaths.
So the base formula is, Covid + death = Covid death. Got it.
Show me the part of the constitution that creates the powers the FDA, and other government agencies, have.
Well, early Covid reporting - and maybe even the current, I'm unsure - was conflating the statistics, by treating every single Covid positive result, as a unique instance. Even in cases where it was someone who was a repeat tester. Even if it was simply not a fully recovered patient. Even if it was a false positive.Which if that isnt bullshit than what is?
don't confuse antifa with the left in general, although it might be considered a tool of the left.Disagree as you like, but the left has just as many confusions and contradictions in their thought/word/deed, as the right does. (again, my references to neoliberalism, and divide and conquer)
This is a game of chaos. You're all losing.
If you're on heart medication and or have diabetes or other maladies common with aging then you are, in Pelosi and the Democrat's mind, a drain on the system and should be eliminated, especially if you're on Medicare and SS, the things you paid into and financed all your working life.I don't think it has shit to do with the government oversight, but everything to do with scientific studies. There's not been enough time.
Case in point: got a friend who's pregnant. She asked the doctor if she should get vaccinated. He said hell no, there's not enough data or studies available to say if it's safe for her or the unborn baby.
On the flip side, another pregnant girl wants to get the vaccine and the doctor is all "ok, why not?"
How does the vaccine interact with heart medication? What about diabetes? Is there a drop in fertility? Etc and so on
I'm not confused, believe me. Regardless, "Antifa" isn't a group, like the Proud Boys, or whoever... it's an idea that society's throwaways like to latch onto. You will literally never locate an "Antifa" leader. It's just kind of like the spirit that unites Marxists, Socialists, Progressives, and far-left anarchists. It's like the UN for illegitimate leftist ideology.don't confuse antifa with the left in general, although it might be considered a tool of the left.