Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

[mosin46]

I agree with you. The biggest question to me is “what bullet was used”
I’ve seen small 7mm kill numerous moose, and I’ve seen 30 caliber bullets penetrate and stop at the spine of a deer.
It’s all in what bullet is used. But no exit wound in a human neck is suspicious.

i've wondered about some of this stuff myself. what we can see of entrance seems could have been anything from 223 to 30. have seen no official stuff on an exit wound. obviously had to be 1. if not,the whole story goes into a zone that is just inexplicable based on what we are told. saw a lot of blood from entrance. hitting the carotid would do that with death in< 5 sec. c spine damage not seen on vids or explained post autopsy. it would be lethal but based on shock trauma not direct hit. if carotid and direct spine hit,the angle we are seeing/told is wrong.
the thing not shown by feds is what ammo load in mag and any useful bullet from wound to do ballistic comparison. bullet weight and design might matter,might not in a thru and thru shot thru 4" of low resistant soft tissue. no thick hide like on a deer,hog,elk etc.
the problem is what we have seen,what we are told,what we hear are all over the place with opinions the all over too. of course most of us assume the FBI is lying as a matter of course. i do.
the screw driver,hide gun in pants,take it apart,assemble it,hide it,hide it in a bag,weird texts-none of that yields a story that i find consistent or believable. once you get into all the back story stuff,i believe that we will never get the truth from the deep state whether they are incompetent or lying.

 

[mosin46]

Freedom of association is a 1A right protecting the ability of people to gather for a common purpose, including the right not to associate. But it isn't absolute. It's limited by anti-discrimination laws like the Civil Rights Act of 1964. This prohibits businesses serving the public from discriminating against customers based on protected characteristics. So yes, I do believe in freedom of association as it has come to be defined over hundreds of years of established law.

no,actually you believe that the exec backed by the SC should be able to interpret free association any way that suits a popular vote harvesting move. one that can be sold to the sheeple under the rubric "equality".

 

[HogsLife]

The jews rejected the Messiah and still do. Supporting them is no different than supporting the muslims. I'm amazed at the "christians" that can't make that connection.

Respectfully, Your stance is flawed and shows a general lack of understanding of OT prophecy that has been fulfilled and ones that have yet to come to pass but have to be fulfilled before the coming of the anti-Christ. It also assumes that all Jews are the same and that Israel is made up of only Orthodox Jews which is incorrect. Messianic Jews, and Christian’s also make up the descendants of Abraham. It also assumes that God made a mistake when he made His covenant with Abraham and his decedents. Which would also be incorrect because Jesus crucification was also a fulfillment of OT prophecy. Israel is Jacob. God changed Jacobs name to Israel after wrestling with him. The nation of “Israel” ie Jacob. The 12 tribes of “Israel” were the 12 sons of Jacob. Now, not everyone in Israel, including Jews is a dependent of Abraham (can trade their lineage back to one of the 12 tribes), but to make take a stance that today’s nation of Israel is not the Israel prophecied about in the Old and New Testament doesn’t line up.

When the abomination that brings desolation seats himself in the place of God in the temple and God warns Jews that when they see this happen to run and hide not even going home to grab their cloak lest they be slaughtered, who is He talking to and where exactly is this temple?

With that being said. That doesn’t mean we have to blindly support a political figure if his actions don’t align with God. God doesn’t support those actions from anyone.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

At the supposed distance, any commonly used 30-06 projectile, even a ballistic tip hell even a Vmax, would have exited no matter a chest or much more so a neck impact. It would have barely slowed.

@BCP Concrete doesn’t do that, certainly not like your gif. There would be a “crater” in the wall.

That it was a pass through is what I was saying I believe is most likely. Was just saying towards the no exit theory.

Truth is none of us know 100%.

 

[EddieNFL]

Seems until this happened much of his content was focused on drama within the SOCOM community… ie Tim Kennedy, John McPhee, Temu Jason Bourne etc

 

[theLBC]

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I bought some bullets that turned out to be shit and would hit deer skin and explode, you’d see a puff of fur and they’d just run off and It was tested multiple times. The bullet used could have been shit and fragmented inside possibly

Or as someone else mentioned, frangible.

This is why I keep asking if anybody knows what type of ammo was used, though I hadn’t said it it was in the back of my mind.

 

[232593]

Respectfully, Your stance is flawed and shows a general lack of understanding of OT prophecy that has been fulfilled and ones that have yet to come to pass but have to be fulfilled before the coming of the anti-Christ. It also assumes that all Jews are the same and that Israel is made up of only Orthodox Jews which is incorrect. Messianic Jews, and Christian’s also make up the descendants of Abraham. It also assumes that God made a mistake when he made His covenant with Abraham and his decedents. Which would also be incorrect because Jesus crucification was also a fulfillment of OT prophecy. Israel is Jacob. God changed Jacobs name to Israel after wrestling with him. The nation of “Israel” ie Jacob. The 12 tribes of “Israel” were the 12 sons of Jacob. Now, not everyone in Israel, including Jews is a dependent of Abraham (can trade their lineage back to one of the 12 tribes), but to make take a stance that today’s nation of Israel is not the Israel prophecied about in the Old and New Testament doesn’t line up.

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When the abomination that brings desolation seats himself in the place of God in the temple and God warns Jews that when they see this happen to run and hide not even going home to grab their cloak lest they be slaughtered, who is He talking to and where exactly is this temple?

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With that being said. That doesn’t mean we have to blindly support a political figure if his actions don’t align with God. God doesn’t support those actions from anyone.

No

 

[vh20]

I agree, very low chance, but its the only thing I can come up with.

You made me realize I needed to edit my post. I typed “165SMK” instead of what I meant to say, which is “165 Sierra Game King.” I did not hunt with SMKs, but have shot a lot of the .338 300gr SMKs at targets in later years, so SMK was what popped into my head when I typed that.

 

[Lawless]

No

Absolutely no

 

[Lawless]

 

[akmike47]

Or as someone else mentioned, frangible.

This is why I keep asking if anybody knows what type of ammo was used, though I hadn’t said it it was in the back of my mind.

The shit I got werent frangible but they sure acted like it. They had a polymer tips, but worked too well. I should also mention it was a .243 so it was zooming.

 

[mosin46]

interesting thoughts,ie fake gov generated texts, which have been discussed on young turks and other hard lefty YT channels. and,yes,i look at some. not listening to your opponents is a big mistake many on the rt make. Trump,Rubio and many others make that mistake. got us into Ukraine i think. Tucker seems to listen and that is 1 thing i like about his work. people who didn't listen to Hitler,Mao,Ho,Ben Laden et al paid a price later.
that these texts could be FBI disinfo is not out in the wilds. they could do it. would they and for what reason? that is the question. if these are plants, which we will never know,then the whole things goes way into the deep conspiracy world.

 

[BCP]

At the supposed distance, any commonly used 30-06 projectile, even a ballistic tip hell even a Vmax, would have exited no matter a chest or much more so a neck impact. It would have barely slowed.

@BCP Concrete doesn’t do that, certainly not like your gif. There would be a “crater” in the wall.

Not necessarily lots of times they just go poof and leave a black mark(esp high velocity bullets), also none of us are over there doing forensics there could be a “crater” for all we know. And then we don’t have footage of his back or access to the autopsy report. We’re all talking out our asses here tbh, just like the YouTubers people keep posting.

 

[BCP]

Or as someone else mentioned, frangible.

This is why I keep asking if anybody knows what type of ammo was used, though I hadn’t said it it was in the back of my mind.

It’ll come out at trial. He could’ve used some special ammo, he obviously planned it out with his goofy fag friends.

 

[Lawless]

 

[Lawless]

Not necessarily lots of times they just go poof and leave a black mark(esp high velocity bullets), also none of us are over there doing forensics there could be a “crater” for all we know. And then we don’t have footage of his back or access to the autopsy report. We’re all talking out our asses here tbh, just like the YouTubers people keep posting.

Unless a very specialized frangible bullet was used, it would not go poof.

 

[akmike47]

People also forget bullets do weird things sometimes. I had several out of a box of 100 that were all loaded and inspected the same buzz flying down range. It sounded similar to those fireworks that spin real fast and take off like a helicopter.

I’ve found .30 bullets in animals shoulders that didn’t do much damage, and had been there long enough for the wound to heal

 

[akmike47]

Unless a very specialized frangible bullet was used, it would not go poof.

No need to church it up saying “very specialized” it’s just a frangible bullet not super secret CIA tech

 

[232593]

 

[Holliday]

interesting thoughts,ie fake gov generated texts, which have been discussed on young turks and other hard lefty YT channels. and,yes,i look at some. not listening to your opponents is a big mistake many on the rt make. Trump,Rubio and many others make that mistake. got us into Ukraine i think. Tucker seems to listen and that is 1 thing i like about his work. people who didn't listen to Hitler,Mao,Ho,Ben Laden et al paid a price later.
that these texts could be FBI disinfo is not out in the wilds. they could do it. would they and for what reason? that is the question. if these are plants, which we will never know,then the whole things goes way into the deep conspiracy world.

I have spent a ton of time around LEO. My best friend is one for 20+ years .

To anyone who knows, that first line is as damning, as it is credible. It can go either way and the ones who are most likely to post something like this online, are the very least credible.

First we say this guy is mentally ill (obviously) and part of an antisocial subculture- then we pretend to know how he would think and speak.

This is like finding body parts in Jeffrey Dahmer‘s freezer and saying “Well folks don’t cut people up and put them in the freezer. They must’ve been planted”.

 

[Lawless]

No need to church it up saying “very specialized” it’s just a frangible bullet not super secret CIA tech

I have shot a good number of varmint and frangible ammo and they don’t go “poof” and disappear in 6-10” of flesh in .30 weights.

More specifically, it would have taken out a large portion from the back of the neck.

 

[Lawless]

It’ll come out at trial. He could’ve used some special ammo, he obviously planned it out with his goofy fag friends.

Why though?

A kid using an old rifle and trying to bash the fash went through the trouble of making sure the bullet didn’t over-penetrate?

 

[Lawless]

People also forget bullets do weird things sometimes. I had several out of a box of 100 that were all loaded and inspected the same buzz flying down range. It sounded similar to those fireworks that spin real fast and take off like a helicopter.

I’ve found .30 bullets in animals shoulders that didn’t do much damage, and had been there long enough for the wound to heal

I agree on a deer shoulder with fairly good bone.

Not a person’s neck.

To me, the wound could definitely be 30-06 caused. The bullet probably didn’t slow down but a tick and kept happily on its way. Hopefully, it is found where it went. You can bet minds and software are working it out if not already solved.

 

[akmike47]

I agree on a deer shoulder with fairly good bone.

Not a person’s neck.

To me, the wound could definitely be 30-06 caused. The bullet probably didn’t slow down but a tick and kept happily on its way. Hopefully, it is found where it went. You can bet minds and software are working it out if not already solved.

It really doesn’t matter where it went at this point

 

[Makinchips208]

I agree with everything you are saying here but how do account for the no exit wound if that was the entry?

I can’t account for the no exit wound, If there is not an exit wound. I don’t know that yet and I don’t believe Candice.

i could easily believe a fmj or dangerous game hunting bullet passing through without expanding. Leaving a small or even large exit wound.
On the other hand I can believe a light varmint bullet could possibly not exit. On the extreme end of light bullets is an Accelerator sabot with 22 caliber projectile. But I doubt he used a sabot round.

Then for the most common rounds, I can’t imagine how any 30-06 firing a 165 ish bullet would not exit a human.

And my last thought, albeit a wild thought, is this, a slight downward angle of the alleged shot, entering and hitting the slightly curved portion of the spine, could the bullet have curved downward into the back? Unlikely, but maybe possible?

 

[Lawless]

It really doesn’t matter where it went at this point

Why?

 

[Shootin25]

I can’t account for the no exit wound, If there is not an exit wound. I don’t know that yet and I don’t believe Candice.

i could easily believe a fmj or dangerous game hunting bullet passing through without expanding. Leaving a small or even large exit wound.
On the other hand I can believe a light varmint bullet could possibly not exit. On the extreme end of light bullets is an Accelerator sabot with 22 caliber projectile. But I doubt he used a sabot round.

Then for the most common rounds, I can’t imagine how any 30-06 firing a 165 ish bullet would not exit a human.

And my last thought, albeit a wild thought, is this, a slight downward angle of the alleged shot, entering and hitting the slightly curved portion of the spine, could the bullet have curved downward into the back? Unlikely, but maybe possible?

There is an exit albeit not visible as the back armor absorbed the energy, hence the violent push back into the chair suggesting the energy transfer.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Vertebrae stopping a .30-06 from under 200 yds? Would want to see the models.

Autopsy photos needed. This is turning into a JFK/Warren like-conspiracy. It certainly is the most politically charged assassination since JFK and MLK. All bets are off without evidence.

Has the owner of the private jet the shooter took to escape Utah been officially disclosed? That had to have been pre-arranged.

I'm not watching the video again to figure it out.
I'm not sure of what was directly behind him in the bullet path but it could have just buried in the ground/grass to never be found. The bullet may have just gone through soft tissue and the artery witch is not very deep. With the flesh severed and the pressure from impact of the bullet and regular blood pressure may have caused what was seen in the video. I've seen a couple arterial wounds that spurted pretty good.

 

[Lawless]

 

[Lawless]

There is an exit albeit not visible as the back armor absorbed the energy, hence the violent push back into the chair suggesting the energy transfer.

There

Was

No

Armor

 

[doubloon]

I agree with everything you are saying here but how do account for the no exit wound if that was the entry?

Does anybody have a link to a report from somebody like a medical examiner? Or are we still basing the wound analysis off blurry videos?

 

[Shootin25]

There

Was

No

Armor

Sorry. Was unaware of that.
I’ll see myself out. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[doubloon]

There

Was

No

Armor

Say it louder for the people in the back.

 

[doubloon]

A private business / landlord etc should not have to do business with *anyone* they don’t want to

Done and done.

 

[Pok]

I’m of the I don’t think he was hit with ‘06 crowd.

Not that I know anything about, but I think whatever he was hit with lodged in his spine.

I think the old man and the guy driving around with a BB gun are odd
coincidences. I think the tranny love note wraps things up too neatly.

No idea what actually happened, but I call bullshit on the story we were given

 

[vh20]

Why though?

A kid using an old rifle and trying to bash the fash went through the trouble of making sure the bullet didn’t over-penetrate?

I thought so as well, and almost put that in my previous post. In all of these leftist-involved shootings we've seen over the years, I can't remember one who used anything remotely "precision", or "specialty." If it really is an '06, I'm guessing it was cheap FMJ and there is a smallish exit wound we don't know about yet (assuming no armor, which I still believe to be the case). If he had armor, yeah I could see the angle of the trajectory possibly directing it down into the upper back and being stopped from exiting his shirt by a rear plate, but there still would be an exit wound in the skin under the plate.

 

[Pok]

Also…

I have the list on my desk
There is no list
DJT was an FBI informant
Nothing to see here

Everything is bullshit

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

I have never understood that according to scripture they are both damned (I forget what they did now) and “God’s chosen people”. That has always been odd to me…..

Because they are no longer God’s chosen people. They aren’t even Jewish.

 

[Pok]

Frangible projectile is a valid point but:

How available are they in ‘06
Would someone that would roll their own choose an ‘06 for this?

If he’s using what’s available then back to how available are frangibles for hunting?

 

[EddieNFL]

Frangible projectile is a valid point but:

How available are they in ‘06

I wonder… could .30 caliber projectiles work, you know, in a pinch?

 

[Makinchips208]

Does anybody have a link to a report from somebody like a medical examiner? Or are we still basing the wound analysis off blurry videos?

Blurry videos rule man! It’s only 2025, we don’t have high quality video cameras available to civilians yet.

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

Blurry videos rule man! It’s only 2025, we don’t have high quality video cameras available to civilians yet.

The first videos released were in 4k. I don’t know why they downgraded

 

[Lawless]

Stream of thought follows. I am not bashing anyone here, this is how men behave and hash things out.

If it was the kid and it was an 06, it would leave an exit, period. A Vmax or Barnes varmint bullet or similar would have nearly decapitated him. Any medium hunting bullet would exit, full stop.

The video could be an actual strike with an 06. Not saying it isn’t or that one of the other theories about a .22 close up wasn’t or is. It is the theory that a 06 bullet vaporized in a human neck that is ludicrous. Anyone who hunts knows this.

A projectile at that angle would likely have went in the ground.

There was no armor worn by Kirk.

For the love of all that is holy, there wasn’t any armor can’t believe anyone has to keep saying this.

Now, to me the more pressing questions surround was this kid a lone perpetrator or did he like many others succumb to Manchurian Candidate manipulation

 

[Pok]

I wonder… could .30 caliber projectiles work, you know, in a pinch?

That was my point though. If you were to load your own would you use an ‘06?

 

[doubloon]

I don’t know why they downgraded

 

[Makinchips208]

The first videos released were in 4k. I don’t know why they downgraded

Yeah. Logic would say that we would get more videos released , and better or full resolution versions available.

 

[doubloon]

I am not bashing anyone here

 

[Lawless]

That was my point though. If you were to load your own would you use an ‘06?

I think he used the available tool and certainly wouldn’t have loaded or even purchased special ammo.

 

[vh20]

I’m of the I don’t think he was hit with ‘06 crowd.

Not that I know anything about, but I think whatever he was hit with lodged in his spine.

I think the old man and the guy driving around with a BB gun are odd
coincidences. I think the tranny love note wraps things up too neatly.

No idea what actually happened, but I call bullshit on the story we were given

My first reaction/assessment after seeing the video the first time was: suppressed .223, probably shooting cheap range ammo (55gr FMJ, etc), definite spinal cord damage (CNS symptoms were apparent), and fatal carotid (+/- jugular) severance. No exit wound apparent, so I could believe a direct spine hit could stop it.

Now with the evidence that they are presenting, I've tried to adjust my assessment to see if I can make it fit...

NOT suppressed? Someone here noted that the FFP was from behind the edge of the roof, so the roof blocked a lot of the report, plus cellphone mic compression. Yeah, I could see that.

NOT .223, but .30-06? Hmm, lots of experience shooting things with the '06 since I was a kid makes this one a lot harder. I just don't see "no exit wound" in any scenario I can come up with BASED on what little we know. If there really were plates (I can see ZERO evidence of any), or there really is an exit wound (neither of which we know for sure) then I can see that as well.