Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
We change barrels of our AI AWM around 3000 rounds.
We change barrels of our AI AWM around 3000 rounds.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The PGW Timberwolf is the best and beats the AI hands down... I think it is the finest 338LM on the market. </div></div>
LL,
What makes it better than the AW? And wouldn't it make it the finest .308 also?
I thought that AW was pretty much the (field) rifle to beat out there.
Thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The PGW Timberwolf is the best and beats the AI hands down... I think it is the finest 338LM on the market. </div></div>
LL,
What makes it better than the AW? And wouldn't it make it the finest .308 also?
I thought that AW was pretty much the (field) rifle to beat out there.
Thanks
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Interresting thread!
I'd get a AI AWSM, seems to be quite popular in many armies/units, which hands down is a very good criteria - that at least proves to me that it should work nice in terms of durability, flexibility etc..
Interresting thread!
I'd get a AI AWSM, seems to be quite popular in many armies/units, which hands down is a very good criteria - that at least proves to me that it should work nice in terms of durability, flexibility etc..
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Lowlight,
Can you expound for us the advantages of the PGW Timberwolf compared to the AI and maybe over other 338 systems also.
Not doubting you in any way.It would be cool to know.
Steve
Lowlight,
Can you expound for us the advantages of the PGW Timberwolf compared to the AI and maybe over other 338 systems also.
Not doubting you in any way.It would be cool to know.
Steve
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Pertaining to accuracy I have found from my own experience.
TRG-42's are typically a little more accurate than AI rifles. PGW T'Wolf is more accurate than both of the above.
I believe the reason/s the T'Wolf is more accurate is possibly a little tighter tolerances on the bolt/chambering. And I really am starting to believe that the action/bedding system has something to do with it being able to hold accuracy at very long ranges.
I have never shot or had a custom/precision built tactical rifle with a conventionally bedded action shoot as accurately as the T'Wolf at very long distances.
The T'Wolf accuracy seems to hold together a little bit better the farther out you shoot it. Whereas every other rifle I have shot at extreme long ranges the accuracy has seemed to open up in comparison.
These are my own findings and personal opinions. Other opinions may vary.
But I will say that Nick (owner of Desert Tactical Arms) has done a lot of shooting at extreme long ranges with a T'Wolf and has logged very good results also.
I am interested to see thru testing and refinement of DTA's SRS rifle if he will be able to achieve better accuracy performance at extreme long ranges than he did with his T'Wolf. Hopefully we can learn thru DTA's R&D if an all metal chassis/stock can lend to better accuracy than fiberglass/carbon fiber stocks in extreme long range accuracy.
Pertaining to accuracy I have found from my own experience.
TRG-42's are typically a little more accurate than AI rifles. PGW T'Wolf is more accurate than both of the above.
I believe the reason/s the T'Wolf is more accurate is possibly a little tighter tolerances on the bolt/chambering. And I really am starting to believe that the action/bedding system has something to do with it being able to hold accuracy at very long ranges.
I have never shot or had a custom/precision built tactical rifle with a conventionally bedded action shoot as accurately as the T'Wolf at very long distances.
The T'Wolf accuracy seems to hold together a little bit better the farther out you shoot it. Whereas every other rifle I have shot at extreme long ranges the accuracy has seemed to open up in comparison.
These are my own findings and personal opinions. Other opinions may vary.
But I will say that Nick (owner of Desert Tactical Arms) has done a lot of shooting at extreme long ranges with a T'Wolf and has logged very good results also.
I am interested to see thru testing and refinement of DTA's SRS rifle if he will be able to achieve better accuracy performance at extreme long ranges than he did with his T'Wolf. Hopefully we can learn thru DTA's R&D if an all metal chassis/stock can lend to better accuracy than fiberglass/carbon fiber stocks in extreme long range accuracy.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lowlight,
Can you expound for us the advantages of the PGW Timberwolf compared to the AI and maybe over other 338 systems also.
Not doubting you in any way.It would be cool to know.
Steve </div></div>
BTT Waiting for LL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lowlight,
Can you expound for us the advantages of the PGW Timberwolf compared to the AI and maybe over other 338 systems also.
Not doubting you in any way.It would be cool to know.
Steve </div></div>
BTT Waiting for LL
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I prefer the PGW Timberwolf over the AI. The Twolf 338LM is definitely more accurate. When the Twolf was new it shot well under 1/2 MOA. The Twolf now has over 1800 rounds down the tube and still shoots under 3/4 MOA, luckily I have a spare barrel for when it's time to retire the first one.
I really like PGW's side folding aluminum chassis stock, it is very ergonomic and streamlined, the only thing I would change is the locking switch. The AI stock feels like a square brick in comparison. The PGW is a bit lighter in weight.
Ross and Steve are great guys I have known them for years, they make an excellent product and have had much military success.
As far as the AI AWSM 338's, their average accuracy from my experience is around 3/4 MOA, the best consistently shot 1/2" MOA. I do prefer the 60 degree bolt throw of the AI over the Twolf's though. I like the plastic skins better in extreme temperatures, because it's not fun touching metal surfaces in 120+ or -0 degree weather. I also like the ability to have swappable color molded skins over cheap spray paint.
In developing our SRS rifle I tried to take what I liked about many different systems and combine it into one to create the ultimate rifle system. We have all the bugs worked out now and production guns are just around the corner. Last week when we tested our first production 338 SRS the first five rounds out of the gun were 0.35" (saved the target for historical purposes
). I am as excited to get these guns shipped out as I'm sure all of you are.
I prefer the PGW Timberwolf over the AI. The Twolf 338LM is definitely more accurate. When the Twolf was new it shot well under 1/2 MOA. The Twolf now has over 1800 rounds down the tube and still shoots under 3/4 MOA, luckily I have a spare barrel for when it's time to retire the first one.
I really like PGW's side folding aluminum chassis stock, it is very ergonomic and streamlined, the only thing I would change is the locking switch. The AI stock feels like a square brick in comparison. The PGW is a bit lighter in weight.
Ross and Steve are great guys I have known them for years, they make an excellent product and have had much military success.
As far as the AI AWSM 338's, their average accuracy from my experience is around 3/4 MOA, the best consistently shot 1/2" MOA. I do prefer the 60 degree bolt throw of the AI over the Twolf's though. I like the plastic skins better in extreme temperatures, because it's not fun touching metal surfaces in 120+ or -0 degree weather. I also like the ability to have swappable color molded skins over cheap spray paint.
In developing our SRS rifle I tried to take what I liked about many different systems and combine it into one to create the ultimate rifle system. We have all the bugs worked out now and production guns are just around the corner. Last week when we tested our first production 338 SRS the first five rounds out of the gun were 0.35" (saved the target for historical purposes
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Sr90, any pics?
Sr90, any pics?
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I got mine from Predator Custom Shop. With me being an average shooter, I can get my 3 shot groups to all touch.
I got mine from Predator Custom Shop. With me being an average shooter, I can get my 3 shot groups to all touch.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Since this thread like all the other who makes the best thread is based on personal opinion and experience I would have to say...
Patriot Arms in my experience.
Good Luck,
Oneshot
Since this thread like all the other who makes the best thread is based on personal opinion and experience I would have to say...
Patriot Arms in my experience.
Good Luck,
Oneshot
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Having shot the TRG-42 and fallen in love with it, my 1st choice would actually be the Long Sword by Terry Cross. Top of the line Competitive Shooter giving the best of guarantees, can't beat that!
Long Sword
Having shot the TRG-42 and fallen in love with it, my 1st choice would actually be the Long Sword by Terry Cross. Top of the line Competitive Shooter giving the best of guarantees, can't beat that!
Long Sword
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I prefer the PGW Timberwolf over the AI. The Twolf 338LM is definitely more accurate. ........the only thing I would change is the locking switch. The AI stock feels like a square brick in comparison. </div></div>
sr90 ,
I have never had the chance to handle one Timberwolf rifle so , because the accuacy of 1/4 MOA more or less is not everything in a modern SWS , just out of my curiosity , is the Timberwolf "soldierproof-tank built-rock solid" as the AI stuff is ?
I mean , can the Timberwolf survive the many and many abuses that an SWS usually takes living in the wild for long time ?
We are talking about real world "tools of the trade" and not just nice boomsticks to be showed up at the range , you agree ?
So they must be able to survive at the worst conditions , is the Timberwold good at that ?
Thanks for lighting me up ,
PP out
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I prefer the PGW Timberwolf over the AI. The Twolf 338LM is definitely more accurate. ........the only thing I would change is the locking switch. The AI stock feels like a square brick in comparison. </div></div>
sr90 ,
I have never had the chance to handle one Timberwolf rifle so , because the accuacy of 1/4 MOA more or less is not everything in a modern SWS , just out of my curiosity , is the Timberwolf "soldierproof-tank built-rock solid" as the AI stuff is ?
I mean , can the Timberwolf survive the many and many abuses that an SWS usually takes living in the wild for long time ?
We are talking about real world "tools of the trade" and not just nice boomsticks to be showed up at the range , you agree ?
So they must be able to survive at the worst conditions , is the Timberwold good at that ?
Thanks for lighting me up ,
PP out
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Pinco,
Yes the Timberwolf is bomb proof, it is the issued sniper rifle for the Canadian Military and I know that the British Marines have also purchased several systems. It has it where it counts for sure.
Pinco,
Yes the Timberwolf is bomb proof, it is the issued sniper rifle for the Canadian Military and I know that the British Marines have also purchased several systems. It has it where it counts for sure.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have a Twolf? I would like to see a picture. </div></div>
See my post
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=599170&page=1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertHK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have a Twolf? I would like to see a picture. </div></div>
See my post
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=599170&page=1
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pinco,
Yes the Timberwolf is bomb proof, it is the issued sniper rifle for the Canadian Military and I know that the British Marines have also purchased several systems. It has it where it counts for sure. </div></div>
sr90,
got it , thanks , I'd like to shot it one day .
PP out
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pinco,
Yes the Timberwolf is bomb proof, it is the issued sniper rifle for the Canadian Military and I know that the British Marines have also purchased several systems. It has it where it counts for sure. </div></div>
sr90,
got it , thanks , I'd like to shot it one day .
PP out
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Call Rifles Only, they have a couple of Timberwolf's down there, Jacob has some pictures too, maybe he can post them, I will let him know.
The Timberwolf rocks, we see a couple with the MCM A5 stock, but I like the PGW "Terry Fox" stock better, smaller, handy, folding. the accuracy is insane with the Timberwolf for sure... good parts good barrels.
Call Rifles Only, they have a couple of Timberwolf's down there, Jacob has some pictures too, maybe he can post them, I will let him know.
The Timberwolf rocks, we see a couple with the MCM A5 stock, but I like the PGW "Terry Fox" stock better, smaller, handy, folding. the accuracy is insane with the Timberwolf for sure... good parts good barrels.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I zeroed a scope on one of the .338 Timberwolfs Jacob has last week. At 100 yards, I fired a three-shot confirmation group that was one hole - shooting prone off the bed of my pickup truck - and this on a rifle which hasn't been properly broken in yet.
I like them - I wish I could afford to shoot one.
I zeroed a scope on one of the .338 Timberwolfs Jacob has last week. At 100 yards, I fired a three-shot confirmation group that was one hole - shooting prone off the bed of my pickup truck - and this on a rifle which hasn't been properly broken in yet.
I like them - I wish I could afford to shoot one.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
pgw site is under contruction, put found this. same gun.
http://www.coltcanada.com/timberwolf-page.htm
pgw site is under contruction, put found this. same gun.
http://www.coltcanada.com/timberwolf-page.htm
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I have to agree. Maybe I'm biased but this is my favorite combo.
-John
I have to agree. Maybe I'm biased but this is my favorite combo.
-John
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Tooooo Coooool
Tooooo Coooool
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Have to say I love my HS HTR
Have to say I love my HS HTR
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Johnny5 - is that a terry cross stock? How about the rest of the rifle?
Johnny5 - is that a terry cross stock? How about the rest of the rifle?
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Timberwolf action
40x trigger
Nightforce 5.5-22x56 and rings
Badger brake
Krieger barrel
Sentinel stock
Not shown is the harris bipod, podclaws, podlock, eagle stock pack and TIS sling
Timberwolf action
40x trigger
Nightforce 5.5-22x56 and rings
Badger brake
Krieger barrel
Sentinel stock
Not shown is the harris bipod, podclaws, podlock, eagle stock pack and TIS sling
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
The Long Sword looks freaking awesome! I think I will need one of those in the future, especially if you can get them with a folding stock.
The Long Sword looks freaking awesome! I think I will need one of those in the future, especially if you can get them with a folding stock.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pinco Palla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vulcan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....honest expectations on barrel life are 7500 rounds ....</div></div>
Hey , that's way too optimistic !
Barrel life expectancy is not more than 1.500 rounds for a 338LM .
I also like the PGM design , even if I never shot one , but for amos the same retail price I preferred to go with the AI AWM hands down .
PP out
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Finnish Army re-barrels TRG42:s around 5000 shot. Accuracy limit is 1MOA I´ve been told.
Sako uses cold hammer forger barrel, its about as durable as it gets.
Way, way beyond 1500 anyway, thats for sure. And I presume we´re not talking about BR shooting.
P.S.
Just re-barreled my own TRG42 @ around 4000 shots, perhaps bit more.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pinco Palla</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vulcan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....honest expectations on barrel life are 7500 rounds ....</div></div>
Hey , that's way too optimistic !
Barrel life expectancy is not more than 1.500 rounds for a 338LM .
I also like the PGM design , even if I never shot one , but for amos the same retail price I preferred to go with the AI AWM hands down .
PP out
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Finnish Army re-barrels TRG42:s around 5000 shot. Accuracy limit is 1MOA I´ve been told.
Sako uses cold hammer forger barrel, its about as durable as it gets.
Way, way beyond 1500 anyway, thats for sure. And I presume we´re not talking about BR shooting.
P.S.
Just re-barreled my own TRG42 @ around 4000 shots, perhaps bit more.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Both RayDog and I have more than 1500 rounds through or TRG42 and AI's, respectively, and they still shoot great.
Both RayDog and I have more than 1500 rounds through or TRG42 and AI's, respectively, and they still shoot great.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Johnny you must have some street credit to get a BADDDDD ASSSSS stick like that !!!!!
Johnny you must have some street credit to get a BADDDDD ASSSSS stick like that !!!!!
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Nah, I just spend too much time freezing my ass off in the bush....eh!
Nah, I just spend too much time freezing my ass off in the bush....eh!
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I would go with a Surgeon XL action. I have some trigger time on their .308 Scalpel and .338 Remedy and they have been the most accurate weapons I have ever shot......
I would go with a Surgeon XL action. I have some trigger time on their .308 Scalpel and .338 Remedy and they have been the most accurate weapons I have ever shot......
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
AI and when it gets shot out or if you have the extra cash get it rebarreled by one of the top smiths here.
AI and when it gets shot out or if you have the extra cash get it rebarreled by one of the top smiths here.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
GAP, PAI, KMW
GAP, PAI, KMW
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I like my TRG42, but I wish it had a faster twist.
I like my TRG42, but I wish it had a faster twist.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I've heard about Sako coming out with a faster twist for the TRG 42, I think it was mentioned in this thread as well. A 1 in 9 twist for the .338 LM. Anyone know anything more about this? Expected date of release?
I've heard about Sako coming out with a faster twist for the TRG 42, I think it was mentioned in this thread as well. A 1 in 9 twist for the .338 LM. Anyone know anything more about this? Expected date of release?
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
On that same note, Accuracy International is working on that as well, so I am told. I think the military gets the first dip on that. Hope that they have one by the time my AIAWSM needs a new barrel. Hoping to get a 1:9" twist.
On that same note, Accuracy International is working on that as well, so I am told. I think the military gets the first dip on that. Hope that they have one by the time my AIAWSM needs a new barrel. Hoping to get a 1:9" twist.
accuracy tests from the NATO tests by spansih army
On extensive tests run FOR NATO as part as the upgrade program for bolt action sniper rfile (.308 to 338LM), The most accurate 338LM is Brugger and thomet APR.
These is just accuracy with and without Suppressor.
the worst is SAKO that cant shoot the 300gr with it current issue barrel.
Ed
On extensive tests run FOR NATO as part as the upgrade program for bolt action sniper rfile (.308 to 338LM), The most accurate 338LM is Brugger and thomet APR.
These is just accuracy with and without Suppressor.
the worst is SAKO that cant shoot the 300gr with it current issue barrel.
Ed
Re: accuracy tests from the NATO tests by spansih army
can you paste the link to the document with such info? i saw the APR here in Switzerland and i was tempted. When i emailed the company though they told me, they cannot guarantee that it will shoot the 300smk and after having poured all that cash i wouldnt feel like a new barrel. i think its the same twist rate as AI AWSM 1.11 twist.
which 300gr ammo where they using? I know that many European sniper are fielded Ruag 250grain but i dont know of company in europe loading 300grain bullets. Did lapua have a shot at this with their new 300scenar?
can you paste the link to the document with such info? i saw the APR here in Switzerland and i was tempted. When i emailed the company though they told me, they cannot guarantee that it will shoot the 300smk and after having poured all that cash i wouldnt feel like a new barrel. i think its the same twist rate as AI AWSM 1.11 twist.
which 300gr ammo where they using? I know that many European sniper are fielded Ruag 250grain but i dont know of company in europe loading 300grain bullets. Did lapua have a shot at this with their new 300scenar?
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aregullinjr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a TRG and it was a fine rifle except for the 1 in 12 twist of the barrel. But for the price it is great buy, and it is a shame that they dont make a 1 in 10 twist barrel. I sold it for an AIAW that is still on back order, I don't know what the hellis going on a Tac Pro but it has been pushed back again until late august. But if you paying a lot of money in the excess of 6,500.00 i would have it built buy a reputible gun builder. I like Gap, I have a Rock by them that is AWSOME and I like Surgeon Rifle, but it all comes down to what is comfrotable with you and your wallet. If you got the cash to spend a nice rifle buy it, but if you want the best rifle for you have one built to your standards. Either way you cant go wrong </div></div>
First Stop Guns in Rapid City, SD has a new TRG 42 in stock right now in .338 Lapua. Of course I was obligated to play with it for a moment and give it the once over. On the side of the barrel where the chamber info and branding are stamped there was a <span style="font-weight: bold">10"</span> stamped into the side of the barrel. I talked to one of the guys that does their ordering, and he stated that the TRG 42 in .338 Lapua can now be ordered from the factory with a 1:10" barrel. They exist, I have held one. Sorely sorely tempted to buy it, but I have other things on my plate.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aregullinjr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had a TRG and it was a fine rifle except for the 1 in 12 twist of the barrel. But for the price it is great buy, and it is a shame that they dont make a 1 in 10 twist barrel. I sold it for an AIAW that is still on back order, I don't know what the hellis going on a Tac Pro but it has been pushed back again until late august. But if you paying a lot of money in the excess of 6,500.00 i would have it built buy a reputible gun builder. I like Gap, I have a Rock by them that is AWSOME and I like Surgeon Rifle, but it all comes down to what is comfrotable with you and your wallet. If you got the cash to spend a nice rifle buy it, but if you want the best rifle for you have one built to your standards. Either way you cant go wrong </div></div>
First Stop Guns in Rapid City, SD has a new TRG 42 in stock right now in .338 Lapua. Of course I was obligated to play with it for a moment and give it the once over. On the side of the barrel where the chamber info and branding are stamped there was a <span style="font-weight: bold">10"</span> stamped into the side of the barrel. I talked to one of the guys that does their ordering, and he stated that the TRG 42 in .338 Lapua can now be ordered from the factory with a 1:10" barrel. They exist, I have held one. Sorely sorely tempted to buy it, but I have other things on my plate.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: precisionshutr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard about Sako coming out with a faster twist for the TRG 42, I think it was mentioned in this thread as well. A 1 in 9 twist for the .338 LM. Anyone know anything more about this? Expected date of release? </div></div>
Now shipping with 1:10s. Probably since mid-February.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: precisionshutr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard about Sako coming out with a faster twist for the TRG 42, I think it was mentioned in this thread as well. A 1 in 9 twist for the .338 LM. Anyone know anything more about this? Expected date of release? </div></div>
Now shipping with 1:10s. Probably since mid-February.
Chris
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I just cant stop wondering- why 1/10" is so big issue to some people?
If one cant shoot LR with 250gr, 300gr wont really make difference according to QTU w/Cd radar data.
250grainer runs flatter up to 1250meters. goes subsonic 1450-1500meters- and flies well at least up to 2000meters.
Perhaps I´m just too stupid to see it, please explain.
I just cant stop wondering- why 1/10" is so big issue to some people?
If one cant shoot LR with 250gr, 300gr wont really make difference according to QTU w/Cd radar data.
250grainer runs flatter up to 1250meters. goes subsonic 1450-1500meters- and flies well at least up to 2000meters.
Perhaps I´m just too stupid to see it, please explain.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
Just think of it as added versatility. Also the 300gr bullet is a bit less susceptible to wind, which in my experience is more important than shooting flat. If I have a good ballistics chart, and some range time to verify it I am not all that concerned with a few MOA or MIL's difference in drop. On the other hand reading the wind is a pain for me, and a bullet that reduces the effects of my error on making wind calls is pretty damn useful.
Just think of it as added versatility. Also the 300gr bullet is a bit less susceptible to wind, which in my experience is more important than shooting flat. If I have a good ballistics chart, and some range time to verify it I am not all that concerned with a few MOA or MIL's difference in drop. On the other hand reading the wind is a pain for me, and a bullet that reduces the effects of my error on making wind calls is pretty damn useful.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I'm actually perfectly happy with the 250 Scenar. If you run the numbers using Metro Standard and a 10 MPH 90 degree wind, at 1500 yards there is about .4 MOA differance in the wind call. That amounts to about .09 mil. 1 mph moves the 250 1 MOA and the 300 .9 MOA. To me, that's not so much of an advantage.
Running the BoreTech 245's at 3100, I can reduce the wind drift to.6 MOA for 1 MPH. 10 MPH is 6.3 MOA, or 1.84 Mil, compared to a 300 at 2700 with 9.3 MOA, 2.7 Mil. Now, .9 Mil differance is something that's worth the effort.
I'm actually perfectly happy with the 250 Scenar. If you run the numbers using Metro Standard and a 10 MPH 90 degree wind, at 1500 yards there is about .4 MOA differance in the wind call. That amounts to about .09 mil. 1 mph moves the 250 1 MOA and the 300 .9 MOA. To me, that's not so much of an advantage.
Running the BoreTech 245's at 3100, I can reduce the wind drift to.6 MOA for 1 MPH. 10 MPH is 6.3 MOA, or 1.84 Mil, compared to a 300 at 2700 with 9.3 MOA, 2.7 Mil. Now, .9 Mil differance is something that's worth the effort.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
I'm with Cory, think about it, who is really going to take a real world shot @ 2000 yards, I know it might be fun at the range. For all incisive purposes, I will not take a shot over 900 with my TRG on a living critter ( i hunt with mine) I really think we are speaking semantics by wishing to hit a man size target at 2000 yards. Car yes, man, I don’t think so.
I'm with Cory, think about it, who is really going to take a real world shot @ 2000 yards, I know it might be fun at the range. For all incisive purposes, I will not take a shot over 900 with my TRG on a living critter ( i hunt with mine) I really think we are speaking semantics by wishing to hit a man size target at 2000 yards. Car yes, man, I don’t think so.
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just cant stop wondering- why 1/10" is so big issue to some people?
If one cant shoot LR with 250gr, 300gr wont really make difference according to QTU w/Cd radar data.
250grainer runs flatter up to 1250meters. goes subsonic 1450-1500meters- and flies well at least up to 2000meters.
Perhaps I´m just too stupid to see it, please explain.
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I'm happy to shoot 250s out of my 42. Longest I can shoot in Florida is 1022 and that's a 208 mile hike each way. Still, I'm somewhat envious of the 1:10s, as I have some loaded 300 SMK ammo I got from an Ebayer and also some loose 300s, but this being said, the 250s are more than fine for my needs and with the Hornadys, SMKs and Scenars, I'm not jonesing as much as the 300 shooters.
Less of a thump, as well.
Chris
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just cant stop wondering- why 1/10" is so big issue to some people?
If one cant shoot LR with 250gr, 300gr wont really make difference according to QTU w/Cd radar data.
250grainer runs flatter up to 1250meters. goes subsonic 1450-1500meters- and flies well at least up to 2000meters.
Perhaps I´m just too stupid to see it, please explain.
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I'm happy to shoot 250s out of my 42. Longest I can shoot in Florida is 1022 and that's a 208 mile hike each way. Still, I'm somewhat envious of the 1:10s, as I have some loaded 300 SMK ammo I got from an Ebayer and also some loose 300s, but this being said, the 250s are more than fine for my needs and with the Hornadys, SMKs and Scenars, I'm not jonesing as much as the 300 shooters.
Less of a thump, as well.
Chris
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coal Dragger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just think of it as added versatility. Also the 300gr bullet is a bit less susceptible to wind, which in my experience is more important than shooting flat. If I have a good ballistics chart, and some range time to verify it I am not all that concerned with a few MOA or MIL's difference in drop. On the other hand reading the wind is a pain for me, and a bullet that reduces the effects of my error on making wind calls is pretty damn useful. </div></div>
Could You kindly calculate drop/wind charts for 300 and 250gr Scenars with typical TRG MV:s and copy it in this thread?
Would be interesting to compare. 250gr Scenars typically live barrel around 3000fps with reasonable loads.
Not sure about 300grs MV:s- perhaps 2750fps would be "fair" comparsion?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Coal Dragger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just think of it as added versatility. Also the 300gr bullet is a bit less susceptible to wind, which in my experience is more important than shooting flat. If I have a good ballistics chart, and some range time to verify it I am not all that concerned with a few MOA or MIL's difference in drop. On the other hand reading the wind is a pain for me, and a bullet that reduces the effects of my error on making wind calls is pretty damn useful. </div></div>
Could You kindly calculate drop/wind charts for 300 and 250gr Scenars with typical TRG MV:s and copy it in this thread?
Would be interesting to compare. 250gr Scenars typically live barrel around 3000fps with reasonable loads.
Not sure about 300grs MV:s- perhaps 2750fps would be "fair" comparsion?
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
JL, do you think that the 250 gr ammo (Scenar or Lock Base?) contributes to the TRG long barrel life, or is it mostly because of the steel used (CM hammer forged)?
Is the loong (for a 338 LM) barrel life claimed also due to the military, somewhat loose, 1.0 MOA standard?
Are the barrels factory or custom (twist?) for this ELR, post-transonic shooting? What accuracy do you get at 2000 m with the 250 grain bullets?
JL, do you think that the 250 gr ammo (Scenar or Lock Base?) contributes to the TRG long barrel life, or is it mostly because of the steel used (CM hammer forged)?
Is the loong (for a 338 LM) barrel life claimed also due to the military, somewhat loose, 1.0 MOA standard?
Are the barrels factory or custom (twist?) for this ELR, post-transonic shooting? What accuracy do you get at 2000 m with the 250 grain bullets?
Re: Who makes the best 338 Lapua?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Are the barrels factory or custom (twist?) for this ELR, post-transonic shooting? What accuracy do you get at 2000 m with the 250 grain bullets?</div></div>
TiroFijo,
Here is link to thread about the 2000m and its ballistic calculations. You will see the barrel and rifle were complete factory.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=621547&page=1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Are the barrels factory or custom (twist?) for this ELR, post-transonic shooting? What accuracy do you get at 2000 m with the 250 grain bullets?</div></div>
TiroFijo,
Here is link to thread about the 2000m and its ballistic calculations. You will see the barrel and rifle were complete factory.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=621547&page=1
