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secondofangle2 said:
has anybody ever put a radar downrange by the target to measure MV at say 1000 yards?

Sounds like a good use for the Old Orange Wheaties Box thing-a-ma-bob - make it a sacrificial downrange radar.

Problem being the damn thing won't register the shots :)
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I know it has been done with a Garmin at 800 meters.
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Long Range 338 said:
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Umm, with other options available, why do it the hardest way possible?
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Hardest? Hardly.

Shooting past a downrange Garmin is not that difficult. Easy to do at any distance you have confidence in shooting thru about a 10" window.

For farther ranges, you could build a steel protective plate with the window built in.

You can put a phone downrange and "Facetime" or equivalent to read downrange velocity.

Then there is the System '89. Costs about $3k but I've used it at 2 miles. Setup is simple.

Either of the above will give far better info than impact location as impact location is influenced by many factors that velocity and TOF are not.
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Lol. To be a human is to be a servant. To only serve yourself (cuz freedum) is the definition of immorality in all it's flavors (both Socratic and theological), and the view of a selfish child.

We choose to whom and what we serve, and THAT is liberty. If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. Pretend you aren't a slave all you want, but even if you simply follow your desires and deny yourself nothing in the name of freedum you are a slave to these urges and wants. You can't see the forest for the trees.

To be truly free is not to do whatever your urges may demand, but to choose to be a slave to something larger and more meaningful than yourself. I feel very sorry for you that this is nothing but gibberish to you, and hope that someday the scales will fall from your eyes and your blindness flees. You have a lot of growing up to do if you think governments and churches prevent people from being free, when they are the very things that provide liberty. Absent fixed mores and government the life and culture of the body politic is nothing but the strong ruling over the weak totalitarianism. It has never been my experience that the strong who are living in liberty pine for this. It is always the weak, who think they are strong, who want chaos and think they'll emerge as rulers. This is no different than the weak and stupid believing in communism, and that they will be among the oligarchs who own everything including all the people. They think will provide for their every need invariably end up in a menial job and perpetual poverty with no hope of ever bettering themselves.
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Your comments have merit. However, I struggled for a reply with a good explanation for the difference between freedom and liberty. I have always known the difference but never thought of a way to explain it. Then I found the article linked below. They explain it better than I can. From the article:

"Liberty and freedom are often used interchangeably in the United States, but they have distinct meanings. Understanding the difference between the two concepts is important because it sheds light on the philosophical underpinnings of American society.

Liberty can be defined as the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one’s way of life, behavior, or political views. It emphasizes the rights of individuals to be left alone and make their own choices without interference from the government or other institutions. The idea of liberty is enshrined in the United States Constitution, which guarantees a number of fundamental freedoms such as freedom of speech, religion, and the press.

Freedom, on the other hand, refers to the ability to act or think as one wants without being hindered by outside forces. It is often associated with the idea of self-determination and the pursuit of happiness. Freedom is a more general concept that can be applied to a wide range of activities, from economic freedom to personal freedom.

The distinction between liberty and freedom is important because it highlights the different ways in which these concepts are valued in American society. Liberty emphasizes the importance of individual rights and the limitations of government power, while freedom is more focused on the ability of individuals to pursue their own interests.

In practice, this can lead to different political ideologies and policies. Libertarians, for example, prioritize individual liberty and limited government intervention, while progressives may place greater emphasis on social and economic freedoms that allow individuals to achieve their potential.

The debate over the relative importance of liberty and freedom in American society is ongoing, and there are no easy answers. However, understanding the difference between these two concepts can help us to better appreciate the complex philosophical foundations of American democracy."

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More important in this discussion is what should people choose; freedom or liberty? If everyone were to choose freedom then there would be no restraints and leads to anarchy. Liberty on the other hand, emphasizes freedom while also respecting the rights of others. I choose liberty.

Maybe that's why Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death," instead of "give me freedom or give me death."

Now back to the subject matter of this thread. If a man gets married he loses both his freedom and his liberty.
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