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Robert Heinlein on what a person should be able to do:

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”​

Show off your Manners PRS-TCS Stocks

The quoted weight for the TCS-MAX includes the crutch weight. I think they actually changed that rail from their modular one to a solid rail with that weight out front. I could be wrong, but that's what they're selling in their parts section now:

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Between the massive weight of your barrel plus the suppressor, I don't think there is any reason you would benefit from the TCS-Max.
TCS Max has a diff rail and also an internal weight molded inside the forend that a standard TCS does not have.

Accuracy International AXSR ARCA rail and scratched cerakote

Sniper’s Hide is no different from other forums covering niche activities. Having been involved in competitive ATA Trap and track days for decades I’m aware of ”Social power dynamics. Accusations of posing can often relate to power imbalances within the group. People with more social power, or those who have been part of the group for longer, may dictate who is "real" and who is not, often reinforcing their own status or a particular group.

Having owned over forty-five motorcycles with dozens being dedicated track motorcycles, some of which were the subject of motorcycle comparisons, there were the “Gatekeepers” that insinuated having pristine track bikes with the latest gear were “poseurs,” thankfully my lap times ended such descriptions.

As I progressed in ATA meets I upgraded my competitive shotgun to a Beretta DT11 Black and flew back to Wenig Custom Gunstocks for a personal fitting in Lincoln Missouri who makes custom fitted stocks for six-time Olympic Champion Kim Rhodes and others. To a lesser degree, “Gatekeepers” at various events and clubs thought having a custom gun cart, custom DT11 Black and Wenig stock, top of the line shooting glasses, custom vest etc. suggested I was in some manner beneath their group using older guns with years of wear as they forewent carts as a rite of passage to some elevated group. While I didn’t consider myself a top competitor I managed several 98 and 99’s out of a hundred at events.

In my experience at competitions professional race teams and top shooters always had nice equipment. Even in Supercross where bikes are filthy after each race, they come to the line in the next moto clean and pristine. I have not seen top competitors at regional or national shooting events with battered or well-worn guns, shooting glasses, vests etc. This observation suggests new or pristine equipment alone does not constitute being a poser.

Certainly, posers or “poseurs” exist, however, the mere ownership of nice equipment or having an interest in keeping ones equipment itself does not automatically define a poser. If the mere ownership or interest in nice equipment could define a poser, then the inverse may be true as well making the conclusion of the first assumption an invalid argument. The motivation of “Gatekeepers” is beyond the scope of this post.

Does the manufacturing of a part to reduce or eliminate wear on a chassis rifle make the manufacturer a poser as well? Does finding a solution to an issue that reduces damage to a rifle and solves a design flaw make someone a poser?

One of my dear friends who owns a security company and spent most of his adult life in the military with six tours of duty in Navy keeps his guns and hotrods in pristine condition. No one would mistake him for a “poseur.”

Having an anodized ARCA rail attached to my chassis will not eliminate scratches, but it will be more resistance than a Cerakote finish over what is likely a softer aluminum chassis.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, assessments and biases which I have as well. However, with various degrees of success I try to remember how to structure logical arguments as often as I can in my “Golden years” and thought sharing the availability of this product which wasn’t initially easy to find might be helpful to others.

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Speaking of posers, have you shot the rifle yet or are you still busy borescoping the barrel and measuring runout on factory ammo?

How much optic is too mich for .22?

Here's a rhetorical question: What are your getting in return for each dollar spent?

Answer: Durability. Repeatability. And above all: Optical quality (OQ).

One can expect very usable durability and tracking repeatability at any price point above $850-1000. And the reality is that, in good lighting conditions, only an experienced eye is going to notice an OQ difference between a $1500 scope and a $2500 scope.

I've participated in any number of side-be-side comparisons of scopes ranging from ~$1200 to over $4000. The high-end optics differentiate themselves in "bad light" - very dim or very high contrast, and at maximum magnification. In one comparison, multiple guys looked down a 550-yard range through a $4000 ZCO 5-27x56 and a $3000 gen-3 Vortex Razor 6-36x56. Everyone agreed: the ZCO was slightly better - but no one thought it was $1000 worth of better.
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My most oft-cited example: At my favorite match venue, one of the lanes has round steel plates on a little berm in the shadow of a tree line about 800 yards out across an open, shallow "valley" (which mitigates mirage). Only the berm and targets are in the shade. By afternoon, dark gray plates against a dark brown berm in that high-contrast environment are really hard to see. With my old gen-2 Vortex Razor 4.5-27x56 scope, I could not see those plates - only the yellow paint stripe on the fire hose from which they were/are suspended. With my ZCO 5-27x56, I can see the plates fairly well. With one of my gen-3 Razors, I can make out the plate but not quite as well as with the ZCO.

And that's at centerfire ranges 300-1100 yards. The vast majority of rimfire PRS targets are inside 200 yards; the furthest I've ever shot in one of those competitions is 415 yards. You just don't need top optical quality at such short range. Certainly, it's nice to have. But is it necessary? No.
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Here's another thing I learned from experience: a high-magnification scope with .2-mil reticle subtensions can bite you at short rimfire ranges. I shot a really fun match in Virginia where targets were spread in deep shaded woods 75ish yards out. I had to zoom out to 10x or so on my gen-3 Razor to find the targets quickly in the dark cluttered background. Even with illumination turned on, I could not differentiate the .2-mil marks. And I needed to.

After that, the ZCO 5-27x56, with its thicker reticle, came off my main centerfire rifle and went on the Vudoo. The 6-36x56 Razor is on the centerfire.
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So, my $.02 based on my own experience is that a $1500-2000ish optic with roughly 5-25x zoom range and a reticle you like is your best bet / return on investment. Higher magnification will almost never be useful in competition but is often useful for spotting hits on targets on range days - at the possible penalty of reticle subtensions being unreadable at low magnification.

Good luck.

Maggie’s Funny & awesome pics, vids and memes thread (work safe, no nudity)

Wow. In an insulated ice chest! Must be a pic from a rich kid's place.

Ours was mixed with a boat paddle in a large green garbage can.

A few large Dixie cups later and the world would be "Crystal Clear".

Fun Fact: Adding mixed fruit for color and texture is cute until it gets caught in your nose a few hours later on the return trip back up.

And everyone dumped their BYO in the trash can. Good times.

South of I-10 in the for real Cajun/Coonass land, communities used to cook up a big gumbo or similar from time to time. Especially in the Fall. Everybody attending would bring something to put in the pot.

So pretty much the same thing!

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7mm short action cartridge recommendations

For 180s most likely a Sherman short, for 160s or less saum, 7-08, 7-6.5 prc. Or I suppose the 7 creed wildcat/swc.

The 180 class tend to push coal outside of ideal for the short action unless the case is shortened ala Sherman design or the creedmoor case in 7mm. If you go medium the. The wsm or 284 are also a good option or the others listed as 160 class. I have quite a few 7mms but most are on medium actions or long.

Gas Gun Break In

A very well respected barrel maker: Gas port with 100rnds fired. Gave issues first 150rnds then "broke in". View attachment 8783334
A barrel with 100rnds that shot great out the gate.

You might need a break in, or you might not. Depending on the metal migration at the gas port.

I had this happen to two Noveske barrels. The first one never improved and was replaced by them. The second did the same but I fixed it with a lot of 55gr down the barrel, and maybe some JB at the gas port. Eventually it started shooting ok.

SBR Bolt Action - 450 Bushmaster or .308?

If significantly improved accuracy is an important criteria, I would go 308, and consider a slightly longer barrel (13.5-14) if that is not an issue.

I have a bolt 450 BM and while it provides decent accuracy, it doesn't seem to measure up to what I can easily achieve from bottleneck cartridges. Subsonics also don't shoot that well either, mainly due to vertical dispersion.

If you are looking for maximum terminal effectiveness with subsonic then a big bore is the only way to go.

A shorter 308 with the right bullets (IE 125-135 gr bullets pushed fast) has a much better effective range than a big bore if you are looking to do any shooting past 200 yards.
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Need a Junior PRS Rimfire Rifle Recommendation

Hi All,
I’m just getting started in PRS Rimfire as a way to spend time with my two daughters. I think they will enjoy learning to shoot and it will enable us to spend a significant amount of quality time together. We are starting from scratch with an old Remington Viper semi auto and 1-9 power non-adjusting scope. Over the last few weeks we have learned basic shooting technique and how to zero the scope. My next step is to buy a CZ American 22 and outfit it with a suitable scope (Cronus, Ares, Match Pro ED, Midas Tac). This will allow us to start learning to use calculators and dope cards. I have a membership at a range with a full PRS Rimfire set of targets out to 300 yards. I am trying to create a plan which will be fun for them and also educational. I’m also trying to help them not worry about missing targets as they get discouraged. Has anyone had success in teaching all the technical aspects of shooting while still keeping it fun? If so, I’d love to hear how you structured it. My girls are going into 6th and 3rd grade and I am just learning the sport as we go along.
What Part of Texas are you in?