Guys a scammer hitting up people who post ill take it in there adds beware! Been reported

For sale are 2 HK VP9SK. Both are limited run Green. Fantastic condition on both. Lived in the safe.
Each will come with a Box and 2 mags.

The first one has Wilson Combat Vickers Tritium night sights. $500 Shipped

The second one has regular sights but has a crimson trace laser. $600 Shipped

Will get some pictures up later once I dig out the boxes.

I just got a Zeiss LRP S5 and I have a question about the turrets.

The elevation turret on mine doesn't feel nearly as good as the windage turret. The windage turret is very tactile and audible, you can feel each click thunk into place.

My elevation turret is barely audible and the clicks aren't nearly as positive as the windage.

What do your S5 turrets feel like?

We have a coyote kill thread so why not one dedicated to the smaller bastards?

Here’s some ground squirrels in Wisconsin that will burrow no more…


17 Hornet





22LR CCI SV


Not sure which gun.

Picked up the new gen 2 for a cheap truck gun. It’s a 600$ rifle so the things associated with one of those like a flimsy stock , an okay trigger , okay action etc are all there .

But holy crap this thing hammers in the precision category.

With reloads for my custom 6.5 it did two groups .45 - one unsuppressed one with a suppressor . Load was 140 eldm, 41.7gr H4350 , set at 2.81, fed 210 primer , Hornady brass neck sized only.

With factory Hornady 129 grain SP it did two .8 inch groups.

Will try the 143 eldx and 140 match next.

If anyone was curious about the gen 2 , my sample size of one is a hammer for a factory rifle . Hopefully more guys can chime in when they get theirs up and running !

What did everyone think about the latest "Believe the Target" episode with Jim Borden and Erik Cortina?

Has anyone done any testing on the actions that are popular in PRS as far as which actions for the most consistent fire control systems, ignition?

What's been your experience with this? Different experiences with 130 v.s 140 class projectiles?

Thanks in Advance

Selling an impact 737r with a .308 bolt face, 75degree bolt right hand, aw cut, with a custom rifle barrel 6gt straight 1.25 chamberer by tscustoms, .170 freebore, threaded 5/8-24, 1/7.5twist

The setup has 650 rounds on it

Looking to get $1800 shipped. Payment via paypal f&f would consider separating, and i also have a brand new barrel with the same specs for sale.

Sold!!

TLDR - Good clarity, range finder works as advertised, seems like this unit might be a "If I could only have one" level unit, if on a $3000-ish budget

Full and fair disclosure, I got this unit for T&E from Athlon. I'm not being paid by them, nor are they advertising in exchange. I'm just writing an article on thermal for a publication and it was available as a result.

With that said, I wanted to get my paws on it because it appears to be the new hotness for those without a generous Uncle Sam, trust fund, or five figure thermal in the budget.

I got the unit in hand at 7 PM and we had a 7AM departure, so time for reading and learning was very limited. We were happy to find the optic was minute of pig close to POA/POI without having to even go into a zero menu, so it did make it into the field and did put a pig on the ground.

The Athlon was being used side by side with a Steiner C35 Gen 2. The photos below shouldn't be taken as a comparison per se - we have a year on the Steiner, and barely adjusted the Athlon. The Athlon was on a 12.5" Grendel with a Leupold VX6HD 1-6x, and the Steiner on a 14.5" 556 with an old school first gen Vortex Razor 1-4X. The pigs were at 180 yards per the laser. The pigs decided to charge, which didn't prove to be the move. In both cases, through the scope, species ID was easy and absolute. The shots below are all taken from video.

I've come to really appreciate scanning with the handheld. Even a first gen Burris with a 400x300 sensor makes life much easier, and minimizes the amount of swinging guns around while scanning.

The view that shows the 196 yard laser shot is taken through a cell phone cam, so again doesn't begin to capture the clarity you're actually getting to the eye.

On the gong, the two shots above the center dot was with the scope, and the two to the right were just clipping on without touching zero. I let well enough alone and it was indeed minute of pig.

Selling a brand new 6gt .170fb crb straight 1.25barrel threaded 5/8-24,1/7.5 twist for an impact 737 chamberer by tscustoms. They do all my barrels and they all shoot great, so i’d expect nothing less out of this one.

Looking for $750 shipped, payment via paypal f&f
Sold!!!

Used scope. Glass is perfect. No ring marks. Minor wear from being used. Not a PRS (or similar) scope. Used for target practice and hunting.

Comes with Tanebraex scope caps. No rings.
$1950 Shipped $1640 shipped

Finally got 270 once fired .223 brass FL resized, deprimed, trimmed, deburred, primer pockets cleaned and uniformed. This is what happens when I let it pile up.

25 Creed, Proof CF, 24”, Zermatt TL3, chambered by Owen’s Ordinance, 1100 rounds
$450

Alpha SRP Brass - 497ct. All same lot.
$500

Berger 135’s. 892ct.
$490.

Prefer to sell together and ship all for free. Like $10 shipping to split.

Purchased barrel used on this site from @Yoteski

Impact 737 - purchased new 200 rnds
Not AW cut

2 benchmark 6gt barrels. 1 NIB, 2nd 200 rnds

$2000 for all. Not ready to split up. The only trade I’m looking for is cash.

I have been doing a ton of research and I feel like I am drinking from a fire hose. This post will probably go the same way. I am wanting a quality bolt action that I can get prefits for. I have narrowed it down to impact, terminus, and Curtis. I could be missing some but that’s what I found. My thought is to get a couple barrels and could swap them out here and there.

I have started rimfire PRS so the thought would be maybe a 223 Wylde trainer barrel then season starts a 6GT or creed.

Any suggestions. Is swapping 223 to 6.5 even feasible. Figured I would get some thoughts.

Edit- to clarify the feasibility. I was more thinking changing calibers/ barrels during the season. I get the feasibility of actually doing it. Bolt face and barrel etc. I am more looking for yeah I do that and it’s a good idea or that’s dumb. Takes more time than it’s worth just have 2 actions.

Preface:​

I have no involvement with the company, purchased this product for full MSRP on pre-order. This post is meant to discuss the unit's capabilities and impressions after using it for couple of days. The idea is to expand and update (& correct) this post with feedback from others who have experience with the product.

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Rumors began flying in early '24 about a new WMLRF coming out later that year. This was eventually confirmed when a few posts surfaced on social media and @DocUSMCRetired himself confirmed the unit's existence later in the year here on the Hide. With options limited for years to essentially a Raptar, Radius & STORM or recently MARS, MRF and Vortex 4000. With some major downsides to most of those options, new WMLRF with onboard Applied ballistics just north of a $1000 was a fairly exciting proposition. Despite sour taste from a few pre-orders in this industry in the past, I obviously learned nothing & went ahead and got on the list. Orders were taken in late December '24 with full price paid upfront, ETA from Tango Innovations was 2nd or 3rd week in Jan '25. They only missed the deadline by about a week, with email communication on the original deadline stating as such. Shipping was upgraded to expedited as a result for everyone on pre-order free of charge. Good on them in that respect, no gripes from me.

What arrived:


Well packaged unit with remote button (4 pin connector, fisher maybe?), some zip ties & zero-ing reflective targets (no stickers, c'mon guys, all of us are suckers for stickers!). Manual is on the website and another copy was emailed with the note "no paper manual included. Applied Ballistics is in the process of transitioning to the new AB Quantum app, which will soon simplify the control of all your devices. Since this change is happening soon, we’ve provided a virtual manual instead." I have no idea what this transition will look like for Fire4000 users.

Key Features directly from Tango with a few of my own notes:​

We develop our own app (AB Synapse - BOSS) and ally with Applied Ballistic. There are different models of software applications. Search for AB Synapse – Boss or BOSS on both Apple iOS and Android, Google Play.
1. FIRE4000 UltraLite (For Hunting)
2. FIRE4000 Sportsman (For Sport Training)
3. FIRE4000 Elite (For Long Professional Shooting)- I assume this is what we got with lower models coming out in the future?

OLED Display
The built-in laser rangefinder can quickly measure the target distance and angle, displaying the results on the OLED screen. Additionally, there is a setting for adjusting the screen brightness. The display is amazingly crisp, 3 brightness settings, it shows all relevant information as far as I can tell so far. if I had to complain about something. I could use a NV friendly brightness setting on the low end.

Vertical and Horizontal Screen
There are settings for both Vertical and Horizontal screens, available on both the left and right sides. To adjust the screen direction, long press for 2 seconds to cycle through the 1-2-3 options. This function works as advertised and is obviously useful for horizontal vs vertical mounting.

Invisible Laser and Visible Laser
The invisible laser, Class 1 with a wavelength of 905nm, is used for measuring distances up to 4000 yards.
The visible laser, Class 2 with a wavelength of 635nm, is utilized for zeroing in on targets and measuring distances up to 100 yards.

Battery Performance
Battery Model : CR123A 3V
Installation : Battery "+" facing inward, "-" facing outward.

Weight is listed at 420g which is 14.8 oz, I weighed this thing at 15.7 oz including the activation cable, so they weren't lying and this thing is a Chooonk. Not that it's current main competitor Vortex is any lighter at 16oz. This area should be the main area of improvement if there's ever a V2 of this. MARS is 1/2 the weight (and 7x the price, I know) but the technology is there nowadays, and I don't see any backcountry hunters packing an extra pound when handheld RFs are in the 6-8 oz range nowadays.
Dimensions listed are 111x75x47mm, which is 4.37x2.95x1.85in. The width is really 2.5in if you don't measure the battery cap and the height is closer to 1.5in from top of the rail.

Performance:

Popped a new CR123 in and powered on unit. Manual is straighforward, setting this thing up is very intuitive including the BOSS app and took 2-3 minutes. I have a S&B US waiting on a mount, so I took the chance to mount it on some spare NF rings and threw the Fire4000 on top. You could follow the zeroing instructions at 100yds, but at dusk, the red laser is visible out to a good distance so I just parallel zero'd at roughly 1000yds in the near darkness.

While we are talking about zeroing, the red laser activation button can be hard to activate/deactivate (this is by design to prevent NDs). The elevation/windage adjustments have no clicks to them, it just feels like you are turning against about 2-3 in/lbs of resistance. This doesn't bother me as I never understood everyone's obsession with tactile clicks and somehoe judging optic's tracking ability by how the clicks "feel" or "sound". Unless we are talking about TT clicks, but that is more of an art to me than a necessity. I'm probably starting an argument here so I digress... Looking through the optic, you can clearly see the laser moving the direction you're moving the flathead screwdriver, no biggie, gets the job done.

My vis seems fairly well slaved to the RF laser, I didn't get ranges off target (or inversely no range while on target) until I got out to ~2000 yards and even then it was only .1mil in the horizontal direction.

There are 2 AB modes on the unit, External and Internal.
External is straight forward, pair with a kestrel via BT and go. Connection is fast and automatic once you initially pair them. I have had those two units synced for about 30 min total so far on about 5 occasions and haven't dropped connection once. Kestrel gets the range from the Tango, does it's thing and spits the solution back out to the Tango under 0.5 sec. One great thing I was excited about is you can build your target card on the Kestrel by ranging with the FIRE4000, great.

The internal mode is a little different story and I hope I get some feedback from others so I can update. You use the BOSS app to set up the rifle profile (is the Quantum making it easy to transfer profiles from device to device?! because I'm about tired of making the same AB profiles across the ecosystem evertyime I pick up a new device...). This is where I am seeing some discrepancies, when the BOSS is connected to the FIRE4000, I seem to get correct elevation adjustments that match my Kestrel (within reason, some of the atmospheric and DOF conditions were off in below pic resulting in a small discrepancy).

However, once I go to airplane mode on my phone and let the device do 100% of the internal calculations, I get results that are... well let's say not exactly jiving with the Kestrel... EDIT 2/3/25: no longer an issue here after talking to customer service some more. Let me explain how this works and what most likely happened here. The Fire4000 gets the gun profile, atmospheric info, DOF and angle of fire from the phone app when they’re connected. Once you disconnect from the phone app and rely solely on the Fire4000 unit, it still uses the gun profile, DOF and atmospheric info that it had last received from the app. However since there’s a built in inclometer, it updates the angle of fire autonomously. That being said, what most likely had happened is I fudged the angle on the phone, then when I disconnected from the phone app and took a new range, the Fire4000 adjusted to the correct angle and spit out a different solution as a result. I confirmed tonight that I can’t replicate the issue, so as of right now, the standalone mode is gtg as far as I’m concerned. One other thing I noticed is that when you’re in AB external and connected to the Kestrel, simply switching to AB internal doesn’t automatically pick up the BOSS app on the phone. It’s like the kestrel is keeping the device locked in. I have to disconnect the kestrel first before the AB internal picks up the phone app.




Ranged .2mil targets no problem out do 1000yds, all I have available past that are buildings, a water tower and stadium lights, it hit all those no problem to 2000yds first time everytime for me.

Random facts and thoughts:

Ranges compared to my Sig8k came back 3-5yds long on the FIRE4000 consistently at all distances, whether it was 100yds or 2000yds. Not big enough discrepancy to be able to verify with a GPS, so I'm calling it good enough for gov't work.

Vibration when acquiring a target is a feature I thought would get turned off immediately, will have to see how it affects battery life but as of right now it's actually a useful tool I will keep enabled.

Tango Innovations is a company I know nothing about, according to their contact, they appear California based, customer service communication has been ok so far.

Unit is made in China (ewww) according to the box.



Mount is a spring loaded crossbolt design with 2 screws, no torque spec included so I guestimated and sent it.. Update from Tango: 40-45 in/lbs recommended for the mount.


Powered by a single cr123 battery positioned in the correct perpendicular orientation.

Confirmed some load data and fired roughly 50 rnds of 6.5cr out of LMT MWS today, holding zero so far



Activation switch could have been lot smaller, if not even just just more low profile, but not a deal breaker compared to a Raptar switch etc..

Distance and internal solution return is lightning fast, like .2-.3 sec is my guess.

Buttonology on top of the unit is well thought out, with most buttons providing a function with a short click and then some sort of a mode change with a 2 sec hold. GTG there, simple and effective.

Will have to update later on how this gets along with my PVS26, didn't get a chance to go out for night shenanigans this weekend.


I'm sure I missed a ton, fire away Hiders, let me know what else there is to touch on...

Cool test done by [B]MinistryOfTruth[/B] on 2/3/25

28F Freezer Test (MinistryofTruth)​

Unit did not form any internal condensation when frozen to 28F for 2 hours. Was taken outside and used up against Impact4000.​

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Tango displayed typical low battery warning with CR123, but not with 3.7V rechargeable.​

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Scanning and other functionality worked excellently. Impact 4000 display was practically inop under same conditions. No display oddities were observed on the Tango.​

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The Tango is a vfd so a picture of it is worthless.​

@carbonbased was kind enough to put together a list of pros/cons between this and the Vortex unit:

Impact 4000 (Vortex)​

Cons

• Battery life in cold weather with off-the-shelf batteries is very poor (special battery helps, but not sure how much)
• Indication for battery failure is immediatelybefore unit shuts down (not helpful)
• LCD screen is sluggish in the cold
• Big boi, a far bit larger
• A little heavier
• Has own ballistic software, can’t true the ballistic curve at multiple distances simultaneously
• Laser for ranging is different than visible laser used for zeroing. So, must skyline confirm zero with poles, edge of buildings, etc.
• $300-$600 more expensive. $1700 currently at Eurooptic with VX15 coupon; $2000 retail.
• Bluetooth remote
• Too bright at night
• ~1/2sec slower for ranging @ ~600yds
• No haptic feedback

Pros

• Amazing warranty
• Onboard inclinometer

Neutrals/Unknowns/Unclear

• Has onboard environmental sensors* (but these might get messed up by the sun beating down, or shooting from a warm space into the cold, etc)
• Has a compass built-in**
• Made in Taiwan (a pro to me, but maybe not to others)
• Poly exterior
• Workflow, building profiles, profile management, tethering limitations, Kestrel connectivity ease of use, etc

Fire4000 (Tango Innovations)​

Cons

• Can’t read the screen with polarized sunglasses (not sure how big a deal this is)
• Only a 3yr warranty
• Remote cable doesn’t have a right-angle option
• Too bright at night
• Too easy to switch between meters & yds
• “When updating environmental measurements using the phone and not having phone perfectly at 0° (the) incline reading gets wonky.” from @boomslang (link)

Pros

• AB onboard, can true ballistics at multi-distances simultaneously
• A fair bit smaller
• A little lighter
• ~1/2 sec faster ranging @ ~600yds
• Cheaper, $1400
• Wired remote
• Haptic feedback
• OLED screen (apparently not sluggish in the cold, users confirm please)
• Onboard inclinometer

Neutrals/Unknowns/Unclear

• Cold weather performance still up in the air (28°F test isn’t actually cold, in my book. It’s warm.)
• Made in China (a neg to me, but maybe not to others)
• No environmentals onboard*, but as mentioned it does measure shooting angle for correct ballistic solution
• No compass**
• Metal exterior
• Workflow, building profiles, profile management, tethering limitations, Kestrel connectivity ease of use, etc
• Zeroing ease (is viz laser same as ranging laser?)

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Notes:
*why the Fire4000 not having onboard environments is probably no big deal.

**ditto with the Fire4000‘s lack of a compass: see here

So what's everyone's breaking point. Our forefathers got pissed at the high tax and no representation.

We are at this point once again. So when is everyone gonna say fuck the system and finally hit the reset button.

Seriously, when are we finally going to stand up for ourselves and say enough is enough.

Not asking for a friend.....


Doc

I have a a new and never carried Native 5 with SPY27 steel laid up in OD Green AWT scales with a LynchNW titanium deep carry clip. This is not a factory second. Will come with factory box and original Cobalt blue g10 scales and factory clip.
$250 shipped

26" #3 stainless 7.5 twist blank

Shipped and insured $425 and I am already losing at this point.

Only reason to sale was decision to go 22 Creedmoor on this action.

I will not PM you and you have to PM me. Personal check from established members or Postal money order.

Better deal FTF with cash

Im trying to figure out why an AR in 7.62x39 operates fine when unsuppressed but jams every shot or every second shot when firing suppressed?

Shooting from a 16” barrel and a SilencerCo Omega300

is the rifle with suppressor on not getting enough gas to operate correctly or maybe getting to much gas and failing to operate correctly? Any ideas?

Thanks ahead of time.

$820 shipped
All same lot

2000ct

$575 - shipped

The infamous Surefire FA762SS M40A6 Suppressor.
Surefire will not be making anymore ever.
On Form 4.
$5,500.00 and I cover shipping

Looking to sell a gen 2 vortex 3-18 razor. MOA, glass is in good shape. Functions as it should. Ebr2c reticle. Scope is the one on rifle.

1200 for scope
1500 with spuhr

Put this on my Ar 308....hadn used much....sold that piece and removed this lil unit....has mount rash mostly on bottom...missing a front scope cap nut but still functions. Like 2 get 3 hunnit + send fee