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Is the Shooter App that bad?

I will preface that I'm comparing the Shooter App vs AB Quantum Free...for now

600 yards 6.5CM
Shooter app said 5.3MIL up, which is what I used.
It started pouring rain, we were prone out in the elements, and range closed due to Tornado warning, so couldn't experiment/troubleshoot
I came home confused and downloaded AB Quantum.
AB said 3.8MIL
That's a HUGE difference.
Same rifle and bullet data input

Shooter app I had plugged in G7 from factory box @ .311 BC
AB is saying 3.06 BC, so I Used that for AB app

I'm obviously inclined to believe AB since Shooter led me WAY too high for MIL adjustment, but AB seemed just a tad low in my head.
1.5MIL @ 600 yards would be below +/-32" and therefore possibly off the 36" target paper?

Backstory,
Zero'd rifle after scope & chassis install, and chrono'd ammo @ 100 yards, w/ Garmin.
Attempted 1000 yard and was WAY high, not even on paper.
Went back to 100 yard range and reworked zero, minimal change. It was windier that day but shouldn't affect vertical.
2 weeks later shot @ 600-yards, and again, shot very high, but at least on MR1-C paper, about 15-18" high, didn't get a true measurement. Can post a pic later Tight enough group that I don't doubt torque values, but will re-verify.
We were at 40 feet elevation @ Marine Corp Base Quantico.
74*F/70%RH by Accuweather app. Winds negligible. Yes...I'd like a Kestrel for true readings. lol.

Ammo:
Federal Gold Medal Match Berger Hybrid Target 140gr
Chrono'd Velocity 1760fps
SD by Garmin as 7, not too shabby for Factory ammo

Rifle Data:
New build Impact 737R, Stuteville 26" CRB 6.5CM 7.7-twist Comp profile. About 140 rounds total through the barrel so far.
MDT ACC Premier Chassis
Arken 7-35x scope
Sight leveled in MDT rings w/ Arrow products scope leveling tool, and verified w/ SG Pulse electronic level.
Height of scope over bore inputted as 1.5" but definitely need to go re-verify as I know this can cause a multitude of issues

New From Indiana

Just joined and looking into getting into some longer range shooting. I have been shooting guns my whole life but haven't ever felt comfortable pushing out past 150 yards when hunting. I recently became intrigued with longer range shots and decided that I want to get comfortable out to longer ranges just in case a big buck decides to make an appearance. I also have a 1300 yard lane behind my house so I can pretty much stretch out my .308 as far as it will reasonably go. Looking forward to learning!

Accessories KRG Bravo Chassis System (Tikka)

SOLD

Lightly used great condition KRG Bravo Chassis for Tikka T3, T3X & CTR models.

Chassis details and upgrades as follows:
KRG Bravo Chassis (FDE, full length aluminum w/ upgraded recoil lug)
Harris S-BRM 6-9 w/ notched legs
Harris Pod Lock
KRG Minimalist Spigot Mount
KRG Harris Bipod Inline Direct Mount
KRG ARCA Full Length Rail
KRG Upgraded Cheek Riser Thumbscrew
KRG Hook Style Cover
KRG Flat Bag Rider
KRG QD Sling cups
KRG 10rd AICS Magazine
KRG 5rd AICS Magazine
KRG LOP spacers, screws, pic rail section, and original hardware

Asking $500.00 shipped w/ tracking (F2F Cash, Venmo, Zelle, Paypal (+ 3%))
Location: N. Austin, TX area (Leander/Cedar Park)

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SOLD FNH A3G 24” 308

Purchased this from a member who bought from the original owner(original ad link below). The person I purchased it from did not fire it, and I fired less than 20 rounds.


Thread protector and barricade pad no longer included but I did add an m carbo trigger spring.

Scope/mount, surefire not included.

$1600 shipped and insured

No trades

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SR25 Upper Compatibility

A few months ago I decided to jump into large frame ARs and at the time I thought there was basically two camps: the Armalite AR10 and the DPMS pattern. DPMS being far more popular (Areo, JP, countless others) and Armalite being the less common and proprietary option (there are several other proprietary options and some will get an honorable mention).

I initially decided on a GGP set (DPMS) which was very well made but after some struggles with the Ambi system, (it was resolved) I decided I wanted something different and I sold the set. It was at this point I realized there was a third camp, typically associated with the highest end of gas gun manufactures: Knight's Armament and the SR25. I wanted one, but there very limited configurations, 16" and 20" 308s and 22" 6.5 Creedmoor are the only options. And that is IF you can even get one, Knight's guns are not readily available at retail, and I have no intention of paying Gunbroker/ Gray market extortion prices.

But is Knight's design as exclusive as it seems? Not really as it turns out. There is design elements from both Armalite and DPMS. Also, other manufactures have followed the Knight's SR-25 pattern and have some compatibility. There are some resources that discuss difference between AR10 and DPMS, but almost all of them completely ignore the SR-25 as a standard. If you are a Knight's purist, I get it... this is meant to be a resource for the SR25 pattern. Also this is America and people will always customize/build whatever they want. This post is not for you... please move along....

The SR-25 Pattern is basically Armalite "slant cut" receivers, DPMS barrel extension, barrel nut, bolt, magazine and DPMS High Handguard (3/16 Tang)

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So after doing some quick compatibility research, I ended up choosing an LMT lower receiver as my starting point. I found a blem MARS-H in stock at Big Texas Ordinance. And this is where the issue started :giggle:. Upper receivers with a Armalite "slant cut" and DPMS High compatibility were not readily available for this pattern. I decided to set out to find a an upper receiver that I could use with my LMT lower, DPMS High handguard of choice and DPMS internals (barrel, bolt, carrier ect.) and I preferred to have no forward assist.

I have been able to test fit Stag, Seekins, Mega, LMT and Knight's and a few other brands with varying success and ultimately found pretty much what I was looking for. A long the way I created a spread sheet with the information I gathered to help others with similar objectives. If you can add to this I would love your input, feel free to comment and I will add as information as needed. There are no resources for SR-25 compatible manufactures as far as I know, but we can start here.

The link to my spreadsheet is here. (The spreadsheet includes Centurion Arms, LaRue, V Seven, Type A, Noveski, Troy, Genesis CNC, ADM and all the other brands I could find with Armalite "slant cut" receiver.

Below is a list of the highlights from the spreadsheet.

Knight's Compatibility
Knight's SR-25:
This is what I have been looking to emulate.. not necessary clone... but for obvious reasons this is the top of the list. Drawbacks here are lack of availability, limited configuration, elitism and cost.

LMT MARS-H: Probably better than Knight's if I am honest... the best Ambi in the business and that monolithic design has a lot going for it. Only drawback is the proprietary barrel system. There is just one guy (I am aware of) who makes custom barrels for these, that's not great for longevity. On the other hand, Everyone who makes barrels is making DPMS compatible barrel... so LMT is a hard sell for me.

Stag Arms STAG-10: This was the first one I tried and it does function. One of the best solutions available… The fit is ok on the LMT lower, the lower over hangs the upper in a the rear and the Forward assist is kind of a bummer. Unrelated comment, as with most DPMS High pattern uppers, Knight's handguard's require hand fitting unless you want to live with a huge gap between the rail and the upper. A small mount of material must be removed from URX 3.1 and for URX 4s the receiver its self must be faced. Its a small amount of fitting but not for the uninitiated. (PM me if you want more details on how to fit knight's rails to DPMS uppers)
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SMF Tactical TAC-10 : You have likely never heard of these guys. Its a small shop, very nice and helpful people I spoke with on the phone several times. This is not their main business and I had to beg them to make me an upper. It took a few weeks but I got one and I am sure they will make more. This was the best I have tried. It will take some hand fitting to make it perfect, but on the plus side, Knight's handguards fit without any fitting or trimming (normally required). There is some overhang but this could be and fit with files if you know what you are doing (I was a small parts fabricator for a few years). I'll post updates here as this progresses, waiting on a barrel from Craddock precision and I would like to find an LMT or Knight's BCG. (Considering a Seekins BCG if I come across one)
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Seekins SP10: Probably the best option. semi monolithic is great. Readily available and out standing quality. I am not crazy about the triangle shaped handguard and the lack of options here. I have fit one of these on to my LMT lower and its a perfect fit. These are only available as a builder set or a complete gun. but no reason not to just do this if you are cool with the handguard.

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Mega Arms MATEN: Really nice quality. Availability is good. Not a great option to mix with other brans but will work with some. This is great if you are looking for a game gun. Super heavy. The upper will function with Knight's lowers but fit is not great interferes with MARS-H ambi controls.
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Wilson Combat: These do NOT fit and are truly a proprietary design. I did order an upper to try. The geometry is totally different and there is no chance this can work. I was so disappointed I forgot to take pictures before I returned it. They do have a disclaimer on the website but, I tried it anyway. They did give me a refund without and issues, but it took close to month.

Armalite AR-10A: The lowers are compatible with Knight's uppers, take SR25 magazines (AR-10B do not use sr25 mags). But that is where compatibility stops. The uppers have a forward assist (not really into that), and a different thread pattern for the barrel nut, different barrel extension, bolt etc, etc,
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ADM UIC-10: I have seen pictures of these with and without forward assist. They wont breakup a builders set unfortunately. If some one has tried this let me know.

Edit: ADM UIC-10 do fit. (At least the geometry is the same) I found this pic randomly… still no information on the upper or if it has a forward assist)
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In the longer term I have a friend with a CNC shop who is making AR-15 already and looking to get into AR10s. If there is interest in this pattern, ether for Knight's clones or just cause you think its cooler than other options let me know. I am trying to build a case that this is a space in the market where he can differentiate and find some demand.



EDIT: More options provided by SH members


JP Enterprises PSC-12 (Information an pictures courtesy of @papershredder ) My take on it so far on an LMT lower; Pins are very tight, no play or slop between the receivers at all. There is a little gap at the back angled profile between upper and lower receivers. They use a DPMS threaded barrel nut and come with any of the JP DPMS bolt carrier groups (buyers choice).


Edit: the JP option ended up not working out. Details on page 2 of this thread.

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SOLD Kidd 10/22 Precision Chassis w/ MDT SCS-Lite Buttstock & Grip

Recently bought this to try a chassis, but have come to terms that stocks fit me better. This hasn’t left my workbench and only had my Kidd 10/22 supergrade installed for testing. All was purchased directly from Kidd.

This is their longer chassis with ability to use rear tang and change supergrade barrel. Specs are available on there website. Has built in Arca. MDT buttstock has adjustable cheek riser and spacers for lop. Grip is mdt pistol.

I am interested in partial trades for a McMillan A5-22 that accepts Kidd rear tang or a Kidd modified magpul stock. Price includes shipping within CONUS. Prefer PayPal f&f or Venmo. Pm with questions. This is cross posted.

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