I just asked him under his post. Will report back with any answers
I just asked him under his post. Will report back with any answers
Just for more context. I do not believe he has 50+ NFA items. Seems like he may have cancelled a wedding or something and decided to splurge on himself
Still interested to see if he meant anything by audit or if he just threw that out there
And #3 of 3 showed up today.
Control No: 20225447XX
Submission Date: 06/03/22
Approved Date: 03/07/2023
Days: 277
Control No: 20225447XX
Submission Date: 06/03/22
Approved Date: 03/07/2023
Days: 277
Yea, I read all of that and I don’t know what he is referring to when he says, “lawful American citizen…” and how that concerns the ATF. Just not enough information to know exactly what all this means.
Okay, he replied to your question about what he means by audit. (See attachment).
If you don’t mind ask him these questions:
Does he have an FFL/SOT license?
What does he mean by "are we hassling me again, or did you update my file over there finally to say 'lawful American citizen'? If hasslin, well good luck with that?” Does he mean the ATF is hassling him because of his ethnicity or what?
From how he replied to you I don’t think he has an FFL/SOT.
Attachments
Here’s something that has never happened a true eform batch approval of 20 cans! This occurred yesterday, March 6th, longest wait in the group is 262 days down to 12 days. It has been verified by the moderator of the subreddit. Very detailed post with no special circumstances. Simply incredible…(See attachment at the bottom of this post).
Why can’t that shit happen to mine! I got 4 in the hopper…
Same here, well 2 waiting since very beginning of August as well. I'm guessing mid April to end of April?
I have one from 8/22/22 and I’m not getting my hopes up till late may it looks like
Update, here is the *20 can approval* and his 375 integral suppressed lever gun build
So 20 Can Man has no FFL, he‘s been visited by ATF before, pre-covid. ATF asks him, “…a series of attempted entrapping questions about other concerns…” And He “…follows the law…”
Hmm…. this is a mystery. There is more of a backstory here and we still don’t know what it is. Does 20 Can Man, share the same last name and/or is related to someone with suspected or known criminal activity or…??
Well maybe you could ask him two final questions, what is the exact build sheet of that integrally suppressed lever gun (I would really like to know, lol) and when the ATF visited pre-covid, did he also have high number of NFA items approved, if so how many? If he did have a similar high number of NFA items approved then that would indicate there is a high number threshold, when approved it flags the person for review and a possible visit and during the visit maybe it is standard protocol to ask some probing questions that would make any reasonable person, uncomfortable.
I hear you FQ, and I get it.Why can’t that shit happen to mine! I got 4 in the hopper…
Here’s an example. You decide to go to the grocery store to buy just four apples nothing else. Do you pick up all four at once, pay and walk to your vehicle and get on with your day? OR Do you buy one apple, pay, carry it to your vehicle go back and repeat the same moronic time wasting process three more times?
There is a bright side to this, look at the attachment. Another person was approved yesterday with exactly four cans in the hopper; 243 days is the longest down to the shortest time of 137 days. Also, another post of a guy getting batch approved 11 cans in this same NFA subreddit thread a little further back.
We need more supporting batch approvals though to really have confidence in the data that this is a trend.
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Tac-Sol X-Ring TSS
Check Cashed 06/10/2022
Approved 03/08/2023 @ 9:12 A.M
271 days
Check Cashed 06/10/2022
Approved 03/08/2023 @ 9:12 A.M
271 days
Yea, I would like to know the exact build sheet of this too. Caliber etc. and what it looks like with the suppressor cover on.
While I do fully understand we’re taking about the lame duck bureaucracy that is our federal government, in all of their “efficient glory”. I can only hope they decided to start doing something positive for us as well.
The last 10+ times I’ve called to check on cans over the last year or so, I’ve always mentioned a possible batch approval. I hope others have been discussing this with them, as well. The more people mentioning batch approvals when they call, the more likely they’re going to seriously look into it.
I seriously hope they decided to look into implementing the batch procedure. It would make their jobs much easier and efficient and wait times would drop significantly.
Not sure on build sheet for lever gun, Ill DM him. It is chambered in 375 Raptor
1st NFA visit***
My guess? If he is in a border state "Fast and Furious" comes to mind. There is a video on YouTube of a fella that was visited by the AFT because of numerous red flags (Paying cash, multiples, etc.) and they thought they had him dead to rights for trafficking to the cartels. Turns out others at his LGS were and he was buying a shit ton of guns in the same time frame...
I don’t know that I agree with the job security argument.
It seems clear they are hiring more examiners from the NFA subreddit where there is a library of known examiner signatures. If NFA would go fully live on batch approvals, queue times would decrease dramatically, maybe to the point examiners have idle time - I don’t think job security is going to be an issue for these poorly utilized employees.
You know your reasoning makes the most sense: border state, multiples etc. now match that up with the answer 20 Can Man gave:
[He bought] “Multiple of the same type of pistols and rifles….plunked down for some stock sig pistols and entry level rifles. Had Em all come in at once.” (see post above 10035)
At the very least he should think about getting some new friends since they have no issue using his Gucci stuff and letting him buy more guns for them to use. I hope he isn’t buying the ammo for them to shoot too.
I think NikonNUT has the best reasoning of why this guy got the ATF visit.
No shit. Who buys guns do their friends to shoot? You wanna shoot? Great. Bring your own shit. No shit, no shoot.At the very least he should think about getting some new friends since they have no issue using his Gucci stuff and letting him buy more guns for them to use. I hope he isn’t buying the ammo for them to shoot too.
I think NikonNUT has the best reasoning of why this guy got the ATF visit.
I had three more clear today (from a total of 5 certified the same day), so I've got one more outstanding.
Looks like they haven't adopted Batch processing across the board; otherwise, they would have likely picked up my last one as well.
Note: 2 were cleared by one inspector a minute apart, another was cleared by a different inspector 3 hrs later, and neither of today's inspectors was the same inspector who cleared one of mine from a week ago.
And now for the good stuff:
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/09/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: Dead Air Sandman L
Wait: 272 Days
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/09/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: Dead Air Primal
Wait: 272 Days
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/09/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: Dead Air SMS762-MIL (Sandman S Mil Contract Overrun)
Wait: 272 Days
Still waiting for Ghost to clear, and then I'll be good until I figure out what I want to roll with for my 6cm, and 7prc builds Muhahahaha.
Looks like they haven't adopted Batch processing across the board; otherwise, they would have likely picked up my last one as well.
Note: 2 were cleared by one inspector a minute apart, another was cleared by a different inspector 3 hrs later, and neither of today's inspectors was the same inspector who cleared one of mine from a week ago.
And now for the good stuff:
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/09/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: Dead Air Sandman L
Wait: 272 Days
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/09/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: Dead Air Primal
Wait: 272 Days
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/09/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: Dead Air SMS762-MIL (Sandman S Mil Contract Overrun)
Wait: 272 Days
Still waiting for Ghost to clear, and then I'll be good until I figure out what I want to roll with for my 6cm, and 7prc builds Muhahahaha.
Submission Date: 06/16/2022
Approved Date: 03/10/2023
Control Number: 2022573xxx
SubGun
Wait: 267 Days
Approved Date: 03/10/2023
Control Number: 2022573xxx
SubGun
Wait: 267 Days
Called for the first time I thought I was 5/31 but they Rec 6/4. My stuff always takes longer
going on two months waiting for them to fix the form. still not signed WTF
Your dealer didn't sign it? WTF kind of dealer doesn't do the most basic thing on any application?
That’s some BS and totally unacceptable. I’d be in there tomorrow demanding that they sign it in front of me
the dealer signed it. it's the ATF who didn't sign the form. but they did put the stamp on it
Is this an efile? What ATF signature are you looking for? How do you know they "put the stamp on it"? So it came back approved and you now have it in hand?
What "efile picture"?
When your FFL submits your Form 1/Form 4 (eFile) you will receive "eForms Application Submission Notification" email from [email protected]. This email contains your control number 2032XXXXXX
It will contain a PDF file of your submission and will say in black letters like a watermark across it "SUBMITTED"
This is the only thing you receive until you get an approved email or disapproved email from the same account.
This is why I am asking you what picture of the stamp? You won't get a physical stamp unless you paper file. And you won't get a digital stamp unless you're approved (which they will email you)
I don't understand your problem?
There is an approved/ denied box on the form. Sounds like the AFT didn't check the box and maybe the dealer wont release it. Thats kinda bullshit. It came back approved and has a stamp, give me my shit and you hash it out with AFT if you care.
It would seem this could be easily corrected by you or your dealer calling ATF. You were already approved, afterall.
Unfortunately, they can’t release an item with an improperly filled out form- even if it is ‘approved.’ I had a form come back where the reviewer wrote the serial number incorrectly on the stamp. The dealer didn’t notice it until after I took the thing home. A few days later I got a call asking that I bring the form and item back in so they could get the form corrected. It took about a week to turn it around.
I know. I know. I had the thing. Why take it back in? Well, the form is invalid if incorrectly filled out. I prefer not to be in possession of a contraband NFA item. And, the dealer needs to correct their books as well. They released a contraband NFA item. And, a week or so after a 9 month wait is pretty small potatoes…
Gotcha. I was just thinking a little mistake like that from AFT is as easy as for them as click the box and re send the approval form and be done with it.
6/4/22
Approved today 3/11/23
Omega 9k
Be back at the end of the year for a 12/7 submission
Approved today 3/11/23
Omega 9k
Be back at the end of the year for a 12/7 submission
Watching paint peel.
2022619XXX
07/08/22
Thinking mid April.
2022619XXX
07/08/22
Thinking mid April.
Got my Nomad LT yesterday… 9 months, 5 days (280 days).
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