Just speculating here, but the Gen 1 has the old bolt stop which is prone to breakage. VGW told me on thing they can do is install the redesigned Gen2/3 bolt stop into the Gen 1 action, but it requires machining the action. Not sure what that costs is but it may account for difference between the $550 rebarelling cost and what they quoted you.
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Unfortunately, we are not accepting any gunsmithing work at this time due to a high volume of rifle builds. Currently, **** schedule is only open for new barreled actions or complete rifle builds. I would highly recommend a new build, especially since you have one of Vudoos older actions. There is a high risk of not being able to headspace your action correctly as well as bolt issues we commonly see when we rebarrel Vudoos older actions. Vudoo has made major improvements to there newer actions allowing the action to function much smoother, while also correcting there past quality issues. I have attached a link below to our Vudoo 360 builds for your reference. Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
This was one email I received. It appears to be strongly pushing me to upgrade my action that has many issues over the new 360’s.
I’ll probably have Vudoo do it with some more communication and see if they will “upgrade” the bolt while it’s there to the Gen 1.2 or whatever they called it.
This was one email I received. It appears to be strongly pushing me to upgrade my action that has many issues over the new 360’s.
I’ll probably have Vudoo do it with some more communication and see if they will “upgrade” the bolt while it’s there to the Gen 1.2 or whatever they called it.
That sounds like a them problem and not a Vudoo problem.
Dittos to both of Rob01's above posts. I bought a Gen 1 action in 2017 and did the barrel work myself, with the aid of Mike's tenon drawing - no problems with headspace. 2nd & 3rd Gen 1s I bought were bbl'd actions direct from VGW; 22" Bartlein Kukri I left alone, but the ACE 18" Ranch balanced so far to the rear that I eventually pulled the Ranch bbl and replaced it with a Krieger #4 sporter contour that I finished at 22", and it now balances (in a Manners EH-1) right at the front edge of the DBM. I had no issue with doing that Krieger either. I've shot all three of these Gen 1 rifles extensively for 5-6yrs w/o and problems with the bolt stop or anything else... I'm not knocking the Three-60 actions - I love shooting mine. But there were some reported breakage issues with the boltstops on the early 360s, though I've yet to have any problems with mine.
I have my 18” Kukri in a manners elite PRS. It doesn’t balance well at all that’s pretty much the only reason I’m looking at putting a much heavier barrel on it.
Paul at VGW told me that when I visited them last winter. He also said they offer a service to install the updated bolt stop on the Gen 1 action. Maybe I‘m using the wrong terminology. its the doo-hickey thingy on the side of the action that you depress to remove the bolt. Said the original part was just too small. The updated one is larger and more robust.
Agree with Rob... I know guys that run their bolts hard that never broke a gen-1 stop. Just because the part was made more robust in post-gen1 Vudoos doesn't mean the original is bound to fail. Rob, how many thousands of rounds have you put through your very-low-serial gen1? You've never said anthing to me about a broken bolt stop....
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This noise about first-gen Vudoos not being suitable, for whatever reason, for rebarreling is such bullshit. Like Rob, I just had mine rebarreled. My new Bartlein 1:16 MTU cut to 22" shows a lot of promise; I've got nearly 500 rounds through it now and have started seriously working with the EC tuner I ordered with the barrel.
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I met with Jonathan at Modacam during my RimX build saga and we talked about Vudoo vs. RimX barrel machining differences. Short version - RimX tolerances are close enough to support prefits; Vudoo has wider tolerances that do not support prefits - plus the complicating factor of extractor notches. Does that make Vudoo "bad?" Pfft. I have a rifle built on a Defiance Deviant action.... top-shelf action that did not support prefits due to wider tolerances... I could have gotten a Bighorn (Zermatt) Origin for way less $$ and stuck a prefit on it... whatever. "Different" doesn't equate to one being "bad" and the other "good."
Nope never an issue with my serial number 10 action or Tony’s number 12 and we both run them hard like a centerfire rifles since 2017.
Finally got my 360 back from Keystone. About 50 rounds into it, I was having extraction issues pretty consistently. Can't remember what the extractor is supposed to look like but I think I might have broken the extractor. The left side looks different. Hopefully this is my extraction issue. If not, I've got bigger issues.
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What ammo are you putting through it, that you're having extraction issues with?
The lower one is the tensioner (left), the upper the extractor (right). Your bolt looks normal.
On a right-handed action, the right side in the bolt is the extractor, while the left side piece is called a "pusher" or tensioner - its purpose is to keep the shell pushed over to the right to keep the rim under the extractor hook. This is the case with all the Vudoo & Rem 40X RF actions. My early Gen 1 V22 repeater worked great for about 500rds, then started having issues with extraction/ejection. This was back in 2017 when the first V22s were released. I called and talked with Paul, explaining what was going on, and he told me that they'd made some changes to the extractor/pusher parts, and offered to fix it if I'd send my bolt back to them. I explained that I had some experience with tuning those parts while working with the two 40X actions I'd had converted to repeaters to use the V22 mags, and was very willing to modify the parts myself. He promptly texted me a video showing precisely what they were doing to change the parts, and I was able to modify mine with very little effort or time. That rifle has worked with 100% reliability ever since.
But with your 360, I'd be calling John at Keystone to get his opinion.
But with your 360, I'd be calling John at Keystone to get his opinion.
flatland1 ... you answered my question before I had a chance to ask it. Good explanation, thanks for the info.
Contact Johnathon @modacam custom rifles all my guns are gen 1 rebarrels and I’ve won almost every match in the country the past few years. He will fix you up
is there a market for used MTU contour vudoo barrels or with the tolerances is it really "per action"
PQ, you might want to shoot 5 rounds of the same ammo, with a lighter spring in the Vudoo, or maybe a have turn in on the bolt. Either/both should lighten the ignition strike, and lighten the case imprint.
These are hard to tell visually. I started about 2 years ago measuring case depth with a dial indicator. It's helped me understand how consistent my ignition was (or wasn't), so I adjusted the spring setup and moved my trigger hanger to get a very consistent 0.021 case depth across 10 rounds. This might be something you want to consider. FYI.
Thank you. However, I think I messed up posting in this forum as I have a Vudoo 360 and not a V22. I still have a fair bit to learn about the Vudoo platform as I am newer to it...I presume my 360 does not have the capability to adjust the bolt or spring?
What do you mean by case depth? The depth the firing pin crushes the primer/rim?
Yo Dude, how are ya? Just passing through....had a few minutes of idle computer time and got to wondering, "what are those mopes over in the rimfire section up to today?"
MB
Yes, the depth of the imprint in the case.
I don't own one so I'm not sure. Someone else will need to make a suggestion or you can call Vudoo and ask them if there's a way to adjust the ignition to lighten the case imprints on a 360. Maybe JBell would know?
Nevertheless I do feel compelled to point out your new(ish) signature you big tease.Yo Dude, how are ya? Just passing through....had a few minutes of idle computer time and got to wondering, "what are those mopes over in the rimfire section up to today?"
MB
Doing well, Mike. Had hoped to hear from you when you were in my neck of the woods last fall... then you went silent. I figured you have been, in the vernacular, "up to sump'tin." Looking forward to hearing more.Yo Dude, how are ya? Just passing through....had a few minutes of idle computer time and got to wondering, "what are those mopes over in the rimfire section up to today?"
MB
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I had a 360, but it was perfect so I never had a reason to look into it. Sorry…
Sorry Dude, I needed time out of the mainstream, so I backed off, collected myself, been flying a lot and ultimately, we've been developing some stuff that has been pretty important. Most of the focus has been on handguns (https://www.theoutdoorwire.com/releases/26fdc072-c9ad-4495-bb48-485c294b9030) as it's quite tiring to see what's been happening to people. Seems I’ve now captured the attention of a large corporate quagmire, so back into the mainstream I go.
Frankly, it feels good to be back on SH, I think I’ll stick around a while….
MB
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Cough cough previously I believe you had hinted at a 17 and/or a 22 Hornet, I believe. And maybe a Fireball? Any news on that front? (I know this is the rimfire section, but hey, the man is here).Sorry Dude, I needed time out of the mainstream, so I backed off, collected myself, been flying a lot and ultimately, we've been developing some stuff that has been pretty important. Most of the focus has been on handguns (https://www.theoutdoorwire.com/releases/26fdc072-c9ad-4495-bb48-485c294b9030) as it's quite tiring to see what's been happening to people. Seems I’ve now captured the attention of a large corporate quagmire, so back into the mainstream I go.
Frankly, it feels good to be back on SH, I think I’ll stick around a while….
MB
Edit: no, it was you: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/where-do-we-go-from-here.7142509/post-10510871
Man, you guys aren’t lacking in the memory department
. Yep, that was me, and yep, those plans are still very much alive. There’s also new rimfire but I’ve obviously been dragging my feet and don’t want to be low class and talk about it in the Vudoo thread.MB
I’ve got myMan, you guys aren’t lacking in the memory department
MB
on you, MB. Lol!
Glad the micro action CF is still kicking around in your sphere of influence!
I've read a lot about the great Mike Bush...hope most of it isn't true!!Man, you guys aren’t lacking in the memory department
MB
Make sure you let us know where you will be talking about it.
Definitely still there and just had a conversation yesterday at a brewery near the shop about the roadmap. The CF is close to the top of the list.I’ve got my
Lol!
Glad the micro action CF is still kicking around in your sphere of influence!
MB
Sadly, I’m sure at least some of it is….I've read a lot about the great Mike Bush...hope most of it isn't true!!
Make sure you let us know where you will be talking about it.
Absolutely.
MB
What he fails to mention is that there's 99 other things on that list so 'close to the top' may not actually mean what we all hope it means.
Dammit, Dude, you had one job!!What he fails to mention is that there's 99 other things on that list so 'close to the top' may not actually mean what we all hope it means.
MB
You know it!
Funny you should mention that... I once met a guy in a diner in Montana that invented 6.8 SPC... Or something like that.
Dude, that was like 4am, he was wired….You know it!
Funny you should mention that... I once met a guy in a diner in Montana that invented 6.8 SPC... Or something like that.
.MB
Coincidentally, first time I've seen any posts from Mike for quite some time, and I called VGW for the 1st time in a long time today to ask about magazine follower mods to promote smoother feeding with flatnosed Eley Match ammo, and got a very helpful & friendly reply - like always. I keep thinking about needing to get an appointment to have both the V22S rifles lot tested at the Mesa facility, and then fly the Bonanza over to St. George to visit with Paul & the crew. Been so long since I flew into that place that they've built a new airport in the interim.
It is good to see you lurking back around these parts Mike, I hope all is well with you and yours.Sorry Dude, I needed time out of the mainstream, so I backed off, collected myself, been flying a lot and ultimately, we've been developing some stuff that has been pretty important. Most of the focus has been on handguns (https://www.theoutdoorwire.com/releases/26fdc072-c9ad-4495-bb48-485c294b9030) as it's quite tiring to see what's been happening to people. Seems I’ve now captured the attention of a large corporate quagmire, so back into the mainstream I go.
Frankly, it feels good to be back on SH, I think I’ll stick around a while….
MB
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