See title. Would have probably had an Anzio by now but my understanding is they lost their FFL for numerous violations. Is anyone else making a comparable mag-fed or single-shot 20mm Vulcan rifle that can be purchased in the USA?
With Anzio essentially defunct, is anyone else making 20mm or larger modern rifles available in the U.S.?
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@ELR researcher may know, he’s played with vulcan based wildcats I think. Perhaps he can point you to a receiver and chassis that would work.
1. I know of no company that is producing such a rifle for civilian purchase.
2. If you wanted to get one built - in a caliber legal in your state - I'd contact Warner Tool. They are working with a customer on a rifle chambered in a round based on the 20mm Vulcan casing.
Thanks for that. Someone on Reddit said they are still in contact with Anzio but idk if I would give them $15k given the history.
Sorry, notwithstanding the post title, I totally forgot about Anzio.
I remember Mike Remo to be a pretty personable guy. I'd hear what he has to say for himself.
As far as Anzio's FFL being current, ask for their FFL #. You can then check ATF Online (https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/FFLEzCheck/) to confirm it is current.
Go from there re Anzio.
Did you contact Warner?
I remember Mike Remo to be a pretty personable guy. I'd hear what he has to say for himself.
As far as Anzio's FFL being current, ask for their FFL #. You can then check ATF Online (https://fflezcheck.atf.gov/FFLEzCheck/) to confirm it is current.
Go from there re Anzio.
Did you contact Warner?
Mark Serbu loves the big shit...
He doesn't manufacture a 20mm but he might have one he'd sell or steer you somewhere else. Just a thought...
He doesn't manufacture a 20mm but he might have one he'd sell or steer you somewhere else. Just a thought...
Anzio no longer makes any guns or parts. He is planning on moving to Europe. He made just 119 guns total. I have serial number 27 and serial number 45. One is a single shot the other is mag fed. Any parts are easily made, except for the receiver. They use a modified ar15 trigger group.
I am always actively looking for parts or complete guns. They very seldom come up for sale and have gone way up in price.
I am always actively looking for parts or complete guns. They very seldom come up for sale and have gone way up in price.
LMK if you ever see one. Otherwise I’ll be reaching out to Warner at some point. The 14.9 they are working on is a big round but it’s shortened from true 20 Vulcan.
1. "I would hold out for a anzio." - your #8 post says they are not producing, so seems no option.
2. Conqueror - what 14.9?
3. "...14.9? Caliber, now you are extremely limited on where to get ammunition or components." Ammunition is non-existent, whatever WTC is working on its a wildcat. So, unless there is some company out there "commercializing" that chambering, its all a matter of "building your own" ammo.
3. "Plenty of 20mm Vulcan components available, along with reloading dies." - ah, TBD. Kind of depends on what the cartridge actually is. Brass is not an immediate issue - they already have a quantity of that (bought it from me). And WTC will very likely be providing the dies, which will not be 20mm Vulcan of course. Primers, other than 50 cal - which I understand they are not using - are TBD. CDVS is "out of stock" for percussion and they not going electric, last I heard. In any case, primer consistency (as in works properly for their setup and is available in same lot) is very TBD. Powder has been the problem from day one - while various surplus powders may go in and out of availability, getting enough that in same lot and actually meet the owners needs, that is a whole 'nother matter. This NOT a project for the faint of heart. Bottom line, "plenty of" is not in the same neighborhood with reality.
Holding out for an anzio, means waiting for one to come up for sale. It's rare, but they do once in a while.
14.9 makes no sense at all..why not just 20mm Vulcan? Make a receiver and put a surplus barrel on it.
And yes, there is plenty of brass, bullets and powder available for the 20mm Vulcan. Primers are available, but pricey. 50cal inserts are available. I have some ammo with the 50cal inserts and all has worked great.
I have bought a lot of my supplies from shady Grady, he has a ton of stuff for the 20mm.
Currently I have almost 900rds of loaded 20mm Vulcan rds, all percussion primed, and enough components to make at least 200 more rds.
20mm Vulcan is definitely what I would want for the caliber, not some odd ball .
Unclear to me that they are building a 14.9 - unless they have an old stash of GSG bullets, or Gerard would make them some. If 20mm Vulcan meet the customer's need, they would be headed that way - and they are not. SG has electric primers (not what this customer wants). Customer already has brass. The bullets, other than GSGs, will be custom - unless the customer changes his mind late on and goes .50 cal. Only thing SG can offer is powder - several SKUs. Unclear that what he is offering will work in this customer's applcation. It comes down to what is in the minds eye of the customer, his experiences to date, and the realities of the supply side. Lets stop conjecturing and see what comes out of this project. Conqueror now knows a competent rifle source (WTC)...recall its his thread.
You missed my point, 14.9 is the caliber they are building. I'm just saying that doesn't make any sense. Why build an oddball, then you will need to custom make everything for it. 20mm Vulcan components are still readily available. If anzio would have made them in a custom off ball caliber, he wouldn't have sold any. To each his own I guess.
@ELR researcher idk which client of Warner’s you were referring to earlier, but they are/were also publically building custom actions and maybe other components for a group out west that were doing a 14.9mm wildcat based on 20mm and using a very long custom Flatline bullet.
@Burpfire I think you misunderstood me, I’d be talking to Warner about building a 20mm gun, not trying to buy someone else’s wildcat project.
@Burpfire I think you misunderstood me, I’d be talking to Warner about building a 20mm gun, not trying to buy someone else’s wildcat project.
The party I'm referring to is not "out west" but they do have a custom action from a very well-respected action manufacturer.
When in doubt, call. So, I called Mike Remo (Anzio Ironworks) and he shared a few things.
- He is in the process of selling off inventory. He still has for sale (thru a third-party FFL), twenty .50 cal rifles (not 20/50s) and 9 component sets for 20s. The latter can be assembled for sale thru a third-party FFL.
- He also has match grade bullets (see pic). “The match 20 projectiles weigh in at 4.2 ounces (about 1840 grs) and are shooting ½ to ¾ moa. We sell them for $20 each.”
- He also has the machine code (G-code) for the various parts. There is some possibility that the design and code may be sold and these rifles reborn.
- Call (727-895-2019) or email him ([email protected]) to pursue any of the above.
