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Is Boston using a polite term for civilian sort of Martial law?

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I realize that the Military isn't doing the searching in Boston. But somehow, telling citizens that they can't be on the streets and have to stay home, seems to be sort of like the police are declaring a sort of police style martial law. Anyone on the street could be threatened with arrest for interfering with a police investigation. I gotta be missing something...at least I sure hope I am.

I want the guy/guys caught as much as the next person, but telling citizens to stay off the street on a city wide basis is alot different than putting a cordon around a block or two to do a search.
 
I bet the people told to stay in their homes because Terrorist are on the loose wish they had a gun if they do not.
 
I bet the people told to stay in their homes because Terrorist are on the loose wish they had a gun if they do not.

I thought the same thing. Instead, if a crazy ass terrorist on the run is trying to bust your door down....call the cops and pray they show up in time?
 
I realize that the Military isn't doing the searching in Boston. But somehow, telling citizens that they can't be on the streets and have to stay home, seems to be sort of like the police are declaring a sort of police style martial law. Anyone on the street could be threatened with arrest for interfering with a police investigation. I gotta be missing something...at least I sure hope I am.

I want the guy/guys caught as much as the next person, but telling citizens to stay off the street on a city wide basis is alot different than putting a cordon around a block or two to do a search.

German, you took the words right out of my mouth. I think its a bunch of bullshit, and all over one teenager. Unfortunately, I think its a precursor of what they are planning for the future.
 
I'm having a hard time believing they shut down an entire city to catch a 19 yr old punk...
Looks like a practice run for things to come.
 
So what's actually being said? Is it "please stay off the streets to make our search easier and stay out of danger" or "anyone found on the street will be arrested/detained for interfering with an investigation"?

One sounds like they're asking for help, the other is threatening. Big difference.
 
So what's actually being said? Is it "please stay off the streets to make our search easier and stay out of danger" or "anyone found on the street will be arrested/detained for interfering with an investigation"?

One sounds like they're asking for help, the other is threatening. Big difference.

Apparently it was mandatory as I just saw that "The lock down has been lifted." Sounds like martial law to me. Practice.
 
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you guys do realize that they will not arrest people out in the streets as its a request to initially the whole area and throughout the day they have made that request more and more localized as they became more and more sure of the area they were looking in. There was also a full blown fire fight last night and regardless of kids age he was partially responsible for over 170 people being injured on Monday.
 
I'm having a hard time believing they shut down an entire city to catch a 19 yr old punk...
Looks like a practice run for things to come.

Most "punks" haven't injured >150 people and killed four and survived a massive firefight while injuring a dozen or more police officers.

I swear, some of you are so retarded I don't know how you put your tinfoil hat on in the morning.

Tell me, how many people were arrested for violating this "martial law" today?
 
A polite request for assistance by staying indoors is greatly different from people being threatened with arrest for interfering with an investigation if they don't stay indoors. So as Jayne says, it depends on what was actually said. That is what I would like to find out.

One makes complete sense...a polite and civilized request for public assistance. The other possibility frightens me immensely.

I was hoping someone knew the precise wording of how the "lockdown" was orchestrated, and what the public was told. The coverage from the media doesn't really get into what the precise wording was, hence my posting.
 
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I bet the people told to stay in their homes because Terrorist are on the loose wish they had a gun if they do not.

Chris Wallace said as much on Fox News earlier today.
 
It sounded to me more like a quarantine. I was hoping for the zombie apacalyps

Night eagle
 
I'm having a hard time believing they shut down an entire city to catch a 19 yr old punk...
Looks like a practice run for things to come.

Exactly. Remember, never let a crisis goto waste.
 
Knowing the hows, whys, and what ifs, they choose to live there. Of course that is based upon their ability to think of what happens to folks in a crowd when shit happens,....then again may be not. Every address has issues, just some have way less than others, live, die and be ruled by your choices.

Nothing to see here, just America getting a preview of it's future. These guys came via open gov arms all l legal an such. So, who needs closed borders when we can get this kind of quality pushing you to give up more freedoms, for your own safety?
 
I bet the people told to stay in their homes because Terrorist are on the loose wish they had a gun if they do not.

My wife typically hates my firearms hobby but she was happy when the AR came up from the safe this morning. She wants her own permit now.

By the by people were not cited or secured if they left their homes. It was a suggestion just to stay in so as to not become part of the problem. Note no newspaper ladies were harmed during this incident.
 
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My understanding is all transportation (i.e. trains, planes, buses and cabs were shut down). Also, the universities and schools were closed. The Boston metro area is huge and without unimpeded transportation not much is going to move.

No doubt the were people there tracking and observing the "lock-down" progress and its effectiveness. Very useful intelligence to those that want to know.
 
First mistake is underestimating this 19 year old, if he had 15 pipe bombs on him and was holed up and had NO compunction to killing people (as p roven) it's for public safety.

Now that said, if an armed homeowner shot the punk, great.

Otherwise let the police do their job, they are not being unreasonable IMHO, this guy would kill anyone that got in his way in the name of terror.
 
First mistake is underestimating this 19 year old, if he had 15 pipe bombs on him and was holed up and had NO compunction to killing people (as p roven) it's for public safety.

Now that said, if an armed homeowner shot the punk, great.

Otherwise let the police do their job, they are not being unreasonable IMHO, this guy would kill anyone that got in his way in the name of terror.

The problem is that it feeds into the narrative that we "civilians" are dependent upon the government for our security and to protect us. They literally told people to stay in their homes, lock the doors and hide.
 
Most "punks" haven't injured >150 people and killed four and survived a massive firefight while injuring a dozen or more police officers.

I swear, some of you are so retarded I don't know how you put your tinfoil hat on in the morning.

Tell me, how many people were arrested for violating this "martial law" today?

^^ that

I didnt see any of you 'civilians' out all night looking for armed terrorists...
 
I didnt see any of you 'civilians' out all night looking for armed terrorists...

Not my "job" to go looking for the terrorist, but it is my responsibility to protect myself, my family and my stuff and even my community. The whole gun control argument is that I don't need my guns because law enforcement is there to protect me and mine.
 
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^^ that

I didnt see any of you 'civilians' out all night looking for armed terrorists...


Too funny. I can only imagine the reaction from Blue when the locals set down their softball bats and grab their own M4 and start going through the neighborhood.

In other words - what an inane comment. Regardless of the municipal entity, that entity has set up the situation such that they have an exclusive on force. This is why anything that even hints of the suspension of citizen's rights IS a big deal.


Good luck
 
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Dovetailing on the the idea of the appearance of the suspension of rights, ABC News is reporting that the suspect was not given their Miranda rights based in an exemption related to public safety. So either the conspiracy is a much wider network, and authorities have reason to believe there are others involved that are still on the loose, or they are willfully violating his rights.

Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat


Good luck
 
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If I lived there I would have had to throw the pvs 14 on and go looking for suspects..... Haha why not? I could have open carried a stick to hit him with if I found him cause lord knows, guns are way to dangerous for civilians!
 
So i've been thinking about this a lot today.
If swat shows up, and says open up we're searching, realistically id be armed...i mean armed terrorist running loose in neighbourhood is a classic scenario as to why you would arm yourself.
Like seriously how do you respond? Come in but let me put my rifle down?
Theyre edgy, understandably so....was there any issues like that whats best way to answer?

If the last few years have taught us anything its that the far fetched scenarious aren't that far anymore
 
^^ that

I didnt see any of you 'civilians' out all night looking for armed terrorists...


Did they bring the military into Boston at some point??

I thought that the FBI was involved, along with a myriad of agencies and officers that get paid to do the job they signed up to do.

If I ask for an extra cookie every time I show up and do my job correctly, make a profit, and don't hurt anyone or break anything, I'd get laughed out of the building, I get paid to do my job, just like everyone else.

Everyone there was civilian.


Thanks for looking down your nose at an entire society, some of us are about sick of the condescension.


sean
 
I didnt see any of you 'civilians' out all night looking for armed terrorists...

Thats laughable at best. Just because we are lowly civilians now does not mean we have not spend a night or three hunting "Armed terrorists" or 10X worst. 700 to one, those your odds? Street rags, or some half ass'ed ID cloth, donut shops and guns, on your own dirt, like I said laughable at best.

Around here it is public knowledge it is much better to be found by "The Law" than home owners, because home owners here dish out "Just-us" promptly. People in citys are what your kind live for, ain't so in many other places in this country. Shoot, shovel and shut up, takes money out of your machine, but thats life. We don't want them to get "Rehabilitated" by the "System" in the finer points on how to get away with it again.
Sheep will continue to be sheep until pointed in another direction, which is a direction your kind hates.
 
Thats laughable at best. Just because we are lowly civilians now does not mean we have not spend a night or three hunting "Armed terrorists" or 10X worst. 700 to one, those your odds? Street rags, or some half ass'ed ID cloth, donut shops and guns, on your own dirt, like I said laughable at best.

Around here it is public knowledge it is much better to be found by "The Law" than home owners, because home owners here dish out "Just-us" promptly. People in citys are what your kind live for, ain't so in many other places in this country. Shoot, shovel and shut up, takes money out of your machine, but thats life. We don't want them to get "Rehabilitated" by the "System" in the finer points on how to get away with it again.
Sheep will continue to be sheep until pointed in another direction, which is a direction your kind hates.

Amen!

These are i guess interspecies differences.
 
I see no conspiracy. Asking people to stay in their house is a long ways from forcing them by threat of arrest to stay in their homes. They also asked businesses to stay closed but if you'd been watching the news they did mention many businesses did in fact open, plus you seen people on the streets.

We get sort of the same thing here almost every summer during fire season. We are "AKSED" to evacuate, but not every one does, Nothing can be done about that. Staying put does endanger the firefighters.

I leave, I have my camper all set up and we have a village of evacuees at the fair grounds, wrong as it seems its kind of one big party/bar ba que. Besides I don't like setting in a smoke filled house, hard on the eyes.

As to the "teenage terrorist, I kind of thought the same thing, hell he's just a kid right? Then my wife asked where I was when I was 19........I was a 19 year old paratrooper in Vietnam running through the jungles creating terror.

Maybe I'm naive but I just don't see a conspiracy theory in every thing that happens.
 
One thing I am hearing a lot, is that in 2010 the Russians told the FBI that the older brother was a terrorist and the FBI questioned him and let him go. if this is true I think it points toward involvement of some kind of network. I can understand that they may not have been able to hold him without evidence but should not they have a least continued to watch him closely enough to prevent this. If this is true then it seems that the FBI has a few workers who would be better employed in the Boston sanitation dept.
 
So from watching a little of the coverage from when they pretty much locked down Watertown, what would have happened if:

Knock Knock - Its the police wanting to search your home
Me: Have a warrant?
Them: No. We're going door to door checking for the terrorist we think is hiding somewhere nearby. We'd appreciate you letting us in to look around.
Me: Sorry. No terrorist here, and since you don't have a warrant I'm not letting you in.

So would they be able to get a warrant in like 2 minutes due to the situation? I thought they may be able to but there is no probable cause they could cite that a terrorist is in or near my home in order to bypass the search/seizure amendment guidelines.
 
So from watching a little of the coverage from when they pretty much locked down Watertown, what would have happened if:

Knock Knock - Its the police wanting to search your home
Me: Have a warrant?
Them: No. We're going door to door checking for the terrorist we think is hiding somewhere nearby. We'd appreciate you letting us in to look around.
Me: Sorry. No terrorist here, and since you don't have a warrant I'm not letting you in.

So would they be able to get a warrant in like 2 minutes due to the situation? I thought they may be able to but there is no probable cause they could cite that a terrorist is in or near my home in order to bypass the search/seizure amendment guidelines.

I have not heard of them doing any non-consensual searches. I would think that a blood trail leading to your house would get them a warrant pretty quick, but absent probable cause I do not know what I would do in that situation. On the one hand I have nothing to hide, on the other hand I do not need dirt tracked all over my home either. I guess if they were nice and agreed to remove their shoes I would let them look around. If they acted like storm troopers, I would act like an American, and tell them to get lost.
 
No one was "made" to do anything against their will. The city made the call to close public facilities and such due to public safety aspects of the situation. Private busineses made their own call to be open or not taking into account most people would not be out and about. LE did not force themselves into anyone's home. I personally would not let them in and could gurantee them that there is no fugitive in my house. If so they would be the second to know after me and my neighbors "subdued" the suspect. I don't really think anyone in the Boston area owns a gun for hunting, self defense, or anything else. Not taking into account the criminal element of course. I tend to enjoy the retard conspiracy diatribes that obsess many of the Hide posters. I'm now interested in this "Russia told the FBI about one of these guys two years ago" issue. Someone has lots of cover your ass work to do.
 
Thanks for looking down your nose at an entire society, some of us are about sick of the condescension.

Then stop making stupid comments every time the cops try to do their job without the 'assistance' of non-police personnel. Protect yourselves? By all means, please do. Run aound the steets of Boston diverting the attention of the guys out there looking? No, dont.
 
Not my "job" to go looking for the terrorist, but it is my responsibility to protect myself, my family and my stuff and even my community. The whole gun control argument is that I don't need my guns because law enforcement is there to protect me and mine.

You are inconsistent with your own statements. If it is your responsibility to protect your community, your ass should have been out there personally pursuing that terrorist. Were you?

The question was deflected. How many involuntary, warrantless searches were conducted? How many people were arrested for leaving their homes? If you can't provide a disturbing frequency of these events then you are just another tinfoil hat retard that makes the rest of us look bad.

I'm all for people having firearms and having the ability to defend themselves. However that doesn't include reasonable requests to cooperate while police are trying to apprehend very dangerous terrorists. If I had been living there I would have been armed at all times in my home while a dangerous criminal was lurking about. However it does not help our cause when some of you asshats pretend like this was some 17-yr-old taking a car for a joyride and the cops were looking for him and make wild conjecture with no proof that the offenses you are afraid of even occurred.

One of the first things you should know with CCW is that you don't go out seeking trouble. Fine, stay in your home and protect yourself and your family. Trained pros were one there taking bullets actively pursuing the criminals in your defense. Unless you want to raise your hand to take their place, knock it off.

I've already booted a few facebook "friends" for retarded comments trying to link the Boston bombings to gun control. The problem is that this cuts both ways, and neither side has an excuse to politicize this. A couple morally bankrupt, psychopathic individuals go off the deep end. The victims aren't even in the ground. As a 3-time Boston marathon competitor who has stood where the bombs went off I've got low tolerance for anyone on either side who tries to twist this to their own politics.
 
You are inconsistent with your own statements. If it is your responsibility to protect your community, your ass should have been out there personally pursuing that terrorist. Were you?.

Wrong. There was a time that the Sheriff would put together a posse consisting of the members of the community for situations like this one. It was the responsibility of each person to be a part of the defense of the community. Try volunteering to assist law enforcement in a situation like this and they will tell you to take a hike and leave it to the professionals. My ass is keeping watch over my home every night...loaded .45 within arms reach and loaded AR next to the bed. Someone comes busting through my door and I'll be calling 911 to clean up the mess. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away.

If I was in Boston, my "job" would have been to protect my family and property because the law enforcement community would not take to kindly to me tagging along. If they called for a posse I would be one of the first ones to volunteer...same as I volunteered in 1988 to protect my country as a member of the United States Army.
 
As to the question about if they wanted to search your residence without a warrant-

I would assume (you know how that goes) that they were acting under the exigency exception to the 4th ammendment, meaning they would not need your consent to search your residence, especially if they discovered a blood trail in your back yard.

As an LEO, I "ask" people to stay in their houses often when their presence could pose a risk to their safety, my safety or could disrupt/interefere with an active investigation. I cannot make them, but I will usher them quickly away from the area. In this situation I wonder if the request hadn't been made for people to stay inside if there could have been the possibility of this guy taking a hostage.

I agree that we (local populace) have a responsibility to protect our families and homes. If I were in Boston (couldn't pay me enough to live there) I would have done just that. That may have meant that I sheltered/protected my family in place, or (due to this guy's love of explosives) loaded up my family and headed elsewhere until it was over.
 
Looks to me like these folks were "asked" out of their homes.

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No one was "made" to do anything against their will. The city made the call to close public facilities and such due to public safety aspects of the situation. Private busineses made their own call to be open or not taking into account most people would not be out and about. LE did not force themselves into anyone's home. I personally would not let them in and could gurantee them that there is no fugitive in my house. If so they would be the second to know after me and my neighbors "subdued" the suspect. I don't really think anyone in the Boston area owns a gun for hunting, self defense, or anything else. Not taking into account the criminal element of course. I tend to enjoy the retard conspiracy diatribes that obsess many of the Hide posters. I'm now interested in this "Russia told the FBI about one of these guys two years ago" issue. Someone has lots of cover your ass work to do.

It appears that people WERE "made" do to things against their will

Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes - YouTube

Unless of course being forcibly marched out of your house at gunpoint with your hands above your head is "willing"
The video clearly shows many things that are very wrong, including one of the armed people grabbing a homeowners hands and forcing them up because he didn't apparently keep his hands up long enough to suit them as they were marching him out of his house at gunpoint.

I'd have more to say but it is kind of pointless, those that understand the implications will recognize what they are seeing, the sheep & the neo-Praetorians will be of the same opinion still.
 
I saw the video above earlier...certainly doesn't look like consent to me.

As I wrote in my previous post, I would assume they were acting under the Exigency exception to the 4th ammendment, which would allow them to search absent a warrant. However, after the "all clear" was declared, I heard the chief of Watertown state that they went house to house simply to assure everyone was safe (heard on live radio news on my way home). This, to me, ruins the exigency of the situation and becomes a violation of the 4th ammendment.
 
As far as searching and preventing goes (now that details are coming out) this is either complete ineptitude or deliberate inefficiency. Combined with lockdown and "search" procedures (tinfoil or no tinfoil) this looks to me like a probing attack in a war against american people. Testing of reaction of people and nation to clearly intrusive and offensive type of "search for dangerous person" -> only to be found by a civilian who has eyes and brains instead of donuts and cholesterol (check pictures of this so called LEOs fucking sumo wrestling team).

Looking at this from distance and adding facts this just simply does not and cannot pass as random ineptitude or saving face. Unfortunately for those who would manipulate people there is internet and a lot of info can be spread quickly and widely enough for standard obfuscation methods to fail. Accept the official stories at your own peril.


PS: Those with ideas of standing their ground and with weapons i believe you'd be shot at the first glance of weapon in your hand or roughed up and ziptied if refusing the search of your home. You're nothing but sheep to them as you can see clearly from this board as some claim to be sheepdogs (as in i'm better than you and i'm here to take care of you -> and of course command you) when in fact (when SHTF) they are nothing but thugs controlling the sheep.
 
It appears that people WERE "made" do to things against their will

Police perform house-to-house raids in Watertown MA ripping innocent families from their homes - YouTube

Unless of course being forcibly marched out of your house at gunpoint with your hands above your head is "willing"
The video clearly shows many things that are very wrong, including one of the armed people grabbing a homeowners hands and forcing them up because he didn't apparently keep his hands up long enough to suit them as they were marching him out of his house at gunpoint.

I'd have more to say but it is kind of pointless, those that understand the implications will recognize what they are seeing, the sheep & the neo-Praetorians will be of the same opinion still.

I couldn't agree more. This is some shit that I would expect to see in Stalinist Russia, the Third Reich or North Korea.

How ironic that on April 18, 1775, Paul Revere set out from Boston to warn the Massachusetts countryside that the Regulars were out. Their goal was to confiscate the munitions stored in the communal powder house at Concord. And now on April 18, 2013, the same city is under martial law from our own government. General Thomas Gage, the military commander of Massachusetts appointed by King George the Third, would be so proud to see Boston once again under siege. And do not think that it was mere coincidence that these dates coincided. It was a strong message from the government to people who believe in the principles of Liberty and have spent their time learning the cultural history of America that the public school system has so strongly fought to erase.

To those of you who think this is an isolated incident, don't worry, it will come to a town near you. This is a test run of what's in store for the rest of the country, and it has been rehearsed for years, which you would know if you had been paying attention and not calling the modern day Paul Reveres a bunch of tin foil hat wearers. You are not safe from these people, and neither is your property. Did you notice how the goon in the video was telling each of those people to keep their hands up and then they got frisked before leaving their own property. The only thing missing from the video above is a cattle wagon and a gas chamber for those people to climb into.

And spare me a bunch of bullshit about how it isn't martial law because "the President didn't declare martial law" or how it isn't martial law because the people were only "asked" to "shelter-in-place" and were still free to risk a walk with the dog or a trip to the store. Those who try to write off what happened in Boston are suffering from what in psychology is referred to as cognitive dissonance. Everybody knows what this was - it was martial law - and intuitively we all know, just as Shakespeare said, a rose by any other name is still a rose.

In summary, the American government just put your fellow Americans under martial law and turned their own homes into prison cells while conducting some of the sloppiest police work in American history. "Well, they got the bad guy, didn't they!" some will exclaim, but I reply "At what cost?" Is it worth your Liberty, any iota of it, to keep you safe? Would you rather live in a cage, where no external threat could harm you, than deal with the inconveniences of attending your Liberty as a responsible and self-governing individual? You are only safe in that comfortable cage until your owner forgets to feed you.

If you bill yourself as a constitutionalist and vehemently defend your right to be armed, but then condone these grave violations of the 4th and 5th Amendments, what have you won yourself? You have said only that you will support any amount of state power and condone any degree of violation of your neighbor, and you won't object in the least so long as the guns aren't pointed at you. And you have simultaneously endorsed several of the most wicked doctrines, among them that "might makes right" and "the ends justify the means." Congratulations, you are the anti-humanity. How would you feel if your daughter were treated the way the people in that video were treated, evicted from her home, shouted at and frisked when she had done nothing other than "shelter-in-place" out of fear that she would encounter these people if she left her home? How would you feel if it were you?

Every man wants his own Liberty, few will want the same Liberty for others. There is nothing honorable about wanting to snuggle up to the plantation master in the hope that he won't whip you.
 
So, if I understand correctly, all searches were done with consent from the homeowner? If you did not consent, what would be the outcome? Warrant, forceable entry, ect.? I'm just curious how they pulled off this search without trampling the Constitution. Not that most states back east believe in it anymore, but thats a different topic. I saw several pics where residents were being escorted out of thier homes in bathrobes so LEO's could go in a look around.
 
Sorry walking out of ur own home at gun point, with hands up and frisked is voluntary?
I call bullshit, so if you had guns in the house...what confiscated cause terrorist loose?
 
Men, if that situation in the video were to happen to me I would not be typing this right now. I hope you fallas are with me on that. If not, pull your head out of your ass and get with the program! They are getting ready people.....
 
Nazi tactics. Period. I was planning a trip to Boston this spring. Fuck them. Ill keep my money in Virginia.