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Slide Fire???

I disagree complely with any statement that a slidefire does anything to teach proper technique. With my REAL m16, and yes, I guess I am a bit of an elitist for saying that, I can put CONTROLLED two to three round bursts on the TARGET by controlling my TRIGGER, not having the rifle BOUNCING AROUND in a reciprocating stock assembly. To argue that a slidefire could in any way, shape, or form, build anything resembling proper shooting technique is laughable. None of my guns go "bang" when I push forward on the foregrip.

Do I look down on someone for wanting to have a little fun south of $20k? No. But to argue that they are remotely in the same category because they allow you to get some rounds off fast? Come on. I have seen the guys shooting them and they aren't hitting shit.
 
bm11 said:
I disagree complely with any statement that a slidefire does anything to teach proper technique. With my REAL m16, and yes, I guess I am a bit of an elitist for saying that, I can put CONTROLLED two to three round bursts on the TARGET by controlling my TRIGGER, not having the rifle BOUNCING AROUND in a reciprocating stock assembly. To argue that a slidefire could in any way, shape, or form, build anything resembling proper shooting technique is laughable. None of my guns go "bang" when I push forward on the foregrip.

Do I look down on someone for wanting to have a little fun south of $20k? No. But to argue that they are remotely in the same category because they allow you to get some rounds off fast? Come on. I have seen the guys shooting them and they aren't hitting shit.
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Seeing is believing. Haterz gonna hate? What can we do?

I can get 3" for a 3 shot burst at 50 yards supported with a slide fire every single time. How accurate do you need to be for full auto? Full auto is used for suppression, not accuracy. I have seen guys on Youtube post their groups with slide fire, and I have to say some of them are pretty impressive.

I know the human mind is conditioned for routine, that if something is new or different, it must be WRONG. With the slide fire, you do not press the trigger with your finger like traditional guns do, and I can see how people who are use to routine can go crazy when they use a slide fire.
 
EricCartmann said:
Seeing is believing. Haterz gonna hate? What can we do?

I can get 3" for a 3 shot burst at 50 yards supported with a slide fire every single time. How accurate do you need to be for full auto? Full auto is used for suppression, not accuracy. I have seen guys on Youtube post their groups with slide fire, and I have to say some of them are pretty impressive.

I know the human mind is conditioned for routine, that if something is new or different, it must be WRONG. With the slide fire, you do not press the trigger with your finger like traditional guns do, and I can see how people who are use to routine can go crazy when they use a slide fire.
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If you are getting 3" groups at 50 yards bumpfiring 3 shot bursts, I rescind all prior statements. I do not get that accuracy from my m16.
 
bm11 said:
If you are getting 3" groups at 50 yards bumpfiring 3 shot bursts, I rescind all prior statements. I do not get that accuracy from my m16.
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A big "IF", huh? I think somebody has a hard time telling the truth. They just want to troll and repeat catch phrases.

Trollers gonna troll.
 
tylerw02 said:
A big "IF", huh? I think somebody has a hard time telling the truth. They just want to troll and repeat catch phrases.

Trollers gonna troll.
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supported and off a bench. and just for the the first 3 shot burst. come by and I will show you.
 
These things would be great for when the SAW gunner needs to change belts. I could have two guys go Slide fire and lay down suppressive fire until the SAW is back up, not. LOL ;)
 
cramey74 said:
SLIDE FIRE STOCKS RULE!!!!! FTW!!!! just kiddin they are gay
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they do look kinda gay, and slide fire, as well as full auto guns in general are only fun for mag dumps... suppressive fire is useful in the Military if you have at least 2 Fire teams, but pretty useless for a Civilian or a lone rifleman.
 
Shooter McGavin said:
These things would be great for when the SAW gunner needs to change belts. I could have two guys go Slide fire and lay down suppressive fire until the SAW is back up, not. LOL ;)
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I got a better idea! How about the SAW gunner could put suppressive fire down for the guys with slide fires when they need to reload.
 
EricCartmann said:
haterz gonna hate.. what can we do?
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Well, you can stop taking you info about firearms from video games, and the MSM.... for starters.

There IS NO other acceptable teachnique for firing a rifle other than pulling the rifle into your shoulder with your non-firing hand, IF accuracy is your goal.


Slide fire is the equivalent of firing a handgun "gangsta style"
 
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garandman said:
Well, you can stop taking you info about firearms from video games, and the MSM.... for starters.

There IS NO other acceptable teachnique for firing a rifle other than pulling the rifle into your shoulder with your non-firing hand, IF accuracy is your goal.


Slide fire is the equivalent of firing a handgun "gangsta style"
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sounds like you already made your decision before you woke up this morning. nothing wrong with this, as that is how most Americans operate. Nothing I will say will convince you otherwise.
 
EricCartmann said:
sounds like you already made your decision before you woke up this morning. nothing wrong with this, as that is how most Americans operate. Nothing I will say will convince you otherwise.
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There is such a thing as "absolute truth." Like....

1. Poking yourself in the eye with a stick is a bad idea. And....

2. Pulling the rifle AWAY from your shoulder with your forward hand can NEVER improve accuracy.

I don't need to re-visit those ideas daily. Or ever. They're ALWAYS true.

So yeah....nothing you say will EVER change my mind on the basic, settled, self-evident, and long since proven fact of the proper technique to shoot a rifle. I don't care HOW much you paid for the video game that says otherwise.

I only WISH "most Americans operated" on the principle of the existence of absolute truth.
 
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Something to go with your Slidefire Stock....

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Get Yo Gangsta On!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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garandman said:
Found these fotos from the "Slidefire Stock Users Manual"...

gangsta12.jpg


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gangsta_1.jpg
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I lived in that craphole 89-90 these guys look to be from their version of our USAMU. I can tell because their eyes are looking in the direction of te muzzle. Sadly despite how stupid those guys were they killed a lot of people.
 
pmclaine said:
I lived in that craphole 89-90 these guys look to be from their version of our USAMU. I can tell because their eyes are looking in the direction of te muzzle. Sadly despite how stupid those guys were they killed a lot of people.
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NO ONE from our USAMU - even long after returning to the civilian world - would ever be seen with a Slidefire. Our USAMU guys know proper rifle technique ALWAYS involves pulling the rifle into your shoulder from the forward grip by the off hand.

Both these skinnies, and the Slidefire - mostly by dumb luck - occasionally hit their targets, but only by volume of fire, not by proper technique..
 
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garandman said:
NO ONE from our USAMU - even long after returning to the civilian world - would ever be seen with a Slidefire. Our USAMU guys know proper rifle technique ALWAYS involves pulling the rifle into your shoulder from the forward grip by the off hand.

Both these skinnies, and the Slidefire - mostly by dumb luck - occasionally hit their targets, but only by volume of fire, not by proper technique..
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Dude you are completely laughable ok lets go over proper shooting technique:

For the AR and other rifles with a pistol grip: High firm pistol grip, yep use that for the slide stock

Natural point of aim, yep same for the slide stock

Breath control no issue with full auto or slide stock because you aren't going to wait for a natural pause between breaths with multiple shots in a second

Don't muscle the weapon, with full auto lean into it a little to not get pushed over by recoil, same for slide fire.

At no time is anyone ever taught to "pull the weapon into the shoulder" in semi auto that is muscling the weapon and you will kill accuracy, in full auto this does nothing. I know because I was an instructor and taught the proper techniques.

And to call the weapon plastic and junk is laughable. The stock is well made, have you held one? Fired one? Even seen one? And it isnt a weapon it is a accessory, a FA Ar isn't special, it has an extra hole drilled at the 12 oclock position and a seer. Nothing says it is built better or high quality. If anything it is less quality and now old as it is at least 27 years. My Two year old flat top heavy barrel colt is newer better made and shoots as good as your old stick simulated FA or not. TOOL!!!

And im plenty accurate with the slide fire I have zero disperity im my accuracy between shooting my issued M4a1 or Slide Stock AR. Stop being a dbag!
 
usmc1488 said:
...ok lets go over proper shooting technique:


At no time is anyone ever taught to "pull the weapon into the shoulder" in semi auto that is muscling the weapon and you will kill accuracy,
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As compared to pushing the foreend away from your shoulder, YES, proper technique involves pulling the rifle into your shoulder pocket to gain purchase of the buttstock to your shoulder. You certainly should NOT be controlling the rifle with your firing hand. If you don't pull the rifle into your shoulder with the off hand, the rifle is gonna fly out of control on recoil

That you won't admit this obvious / simple fact makes me suspect (1) you are more interested in "winning an argument" than having an intelligent discussion, and / or (2) were never actually in the Corps. Its basic military rifle training.

Stop being a dbag!
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Nice, pal. Maybe the internet is too much for you. Take some time off.
 
garandman said:
As compared to pushing the foreend away from your shoulder, YES, proper technique involves pulling the rifle into your shoulder pocket to gain purchase of the buttstock to your shoulder. You certainly should NOT be controlling the rifle with your firing hand. If you don't pull the rifle into your shoulder with the off hand, the rifle is gonna fly out of control on recoil

That you won't admit this obvious / simple fact makes me suspect (1) you are more interested in "winning an argument" than having an intelligent discussion, and / or (2) were never actually in the Corps. Its basic military rifle training.





Nice, pal. Maybe the internet is too much for you. Take some time off.
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You got me Im not in the Corps. You wing nut yes you place the stock in the shoulder, you make it sound like you put steady rearward pressure into your shoulder when you shoot. And you made this anything but an intleligent argument when you put people down for purchasing an alternative to FA. Go away.
 
usmc1488 said:
you make it sound like you put steady rearward pressure into your shoulder when you shoot. .
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That's EXACTLY what you do when shooting a rifle. If you don't, the rifle flies out of control on recoil.

Slidefire has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with proper rifle firing technique.
 
garandman said:
That's EXACTLY what you do when shooting a rifle. If you don't, the rifle flies out of control on recoil.

Slidefire has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with proper rifle firing technique.
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Your right Im wrong, God Im already getting sick of this place. Way too many know it all ass hats. Time to hang out in the leo/mil only section.
 
usmc1488 said:
Your right Im wrong, God Im already getting sick of this place. Way too many know it all ass hats. Time to hang out in the leo/mil only section.
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I will try to hold this thread together until you come back. wish me luck that I do not get banned!
 
EricCartmann said:
That looks like a Glock to me. How do those sites work with a slide fire?
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I said its something to go along with the Slidefire.... pogue technology, for gang bangers, and people easily separately from their money.

Funny thing is... if ya just put your beer, cigarette and porn money in a piggy bank for a year, you could afford a REAL full auto.


So its NOT that only "elites" can afford FA. Its that wasteful people cannot.
 
garandman said:
I said its something to go along with the Slidefire.... pogue technology, for gang bangers, and people easily separately from their money.

Funny thing is... if ya just put your beer, cigarette and porn money in a piggy bank for a year, you could afford a REAL full auto.


So its NOT that only "elites" can afford FA. Its that wasteful people cannot.
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Wow, Holy Generalizations Batman! So it seems like you figured Slide-Fires owners all out, that you know everything about them just by looking at the "plastic" they own.

Now you are telling me how to save my money. This is why I love gun forums and keep on coming back. It's because of people like you. Not only do I meet "gun guys" but I also get to meet an awesome Financial Advisor such as yourself.

FYI: I had a chance to buy a FA, but instead of a Full Auto M4, I thought I would instead spend my my $15k into 1 full week vacation, a Barrett M99/Nightforce, and a down payment on Honda Civic that gets 40mpg. Now I know I spent my money all wrong.
 
EricCartmann said:
Wow, Holy Generalizations Batman! So it seems like you figured Slide-Fires owners all out, that you know everything about them just by looking at the "plastic" they own.

Now you are telling me how to save my money. This is why I love gun forums and keep on coming back. It's because of people like you. Not only do I meet "gun guys" but I also get to meet an awesome Financial Advisor such as yourself.
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And FREE OF CHARGE, TOO!!!!!! I usualy charge a fee for the financial advice I'm layin' down here.


FYI: I had a chance to buy a FA, but instead of a Full Auto M4, I thought I would instead spend my my $15k into 1 full week vacation, a Barrett M99/Nightforce, and a down payment on Honda Civic that gets 40mpg. Now I know I spent my money all wrong.
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Actually, owning that Barrett MAKES YOU an elitist. U R a Closet gun snob... that just un-closeted himself. Careful....your plastocrap buddies gonna dump on you too. now.

I drive a similar cost effective vehicle. I'd rather own guns that appreciate in value, than fancy cars that lose value. Or plastocrap.
 
garandman said:
And FREE OF CHARGE, TOO!!!!!! I usualy charge a fee for the financial advice I'm layin' down here.




Actually, owning that Barrett MAKES YOU an elitist. U R a Closet gun snob... that just un-closeted himself. Careful....your plastocrap buddies gonna dump on you too. now.

I drive a similar cost effective vehicle. I'd rather own guns that appreciate in value, than fancy cars that lose value. Or plastocrap.
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No Hat'n here. I know guys as old as you that were able to get FA guns for not much more than their Semi-Auto counterpart (Before 1986).

I do not hate in general, not even guys like you who own full auto.

Around my way, lots of people own full auto even after 1986, as they got the permits to build them. Even if you paid $20k for your registered full auto gun, well there is nothing wrong with that either. If it's a hobby and you enjoy it, then spend the money. Hobbies are suppose to cost money.

One thing the slide fire made me realize, is I do not have the urge to buy a full auto gun anymore. I believe Slide Fires are just as good as full auto, but at only a fraction of the cost. Hobbyist like me never hate, we only love.

Now lets go back to more of your Hat'n and expert advice. I have no idea how I got this far in life without your expert advices.. would love to hear more.

[waiting]
 
EricCartmann said:
One thing the slide fire made me realize, is I do not have the urge to buy a full auto gun anymore.

Now lets go back to more of your...expert advice. I have no idea how I got this far in life without your expert advices.. would love to hear more.

[waiting]
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Advice.... well, for one thing, I'd seek professional medical advice about your condition. Immediately. :)

You've obviously never spent any quality time shooting subsonic 22rf full auto suppressed. EVERYONE "needs" that :) And slidefire plastocrap can't come close to simulating it.

I do wish I was a gun eltist with a Barrett 99, like you.
 
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garandman said:
I said its something to go along with the Slidefire.... pogue technology, for gang bangers, and people easily separately from their money.

Funny thing is... if ya just put your beer, cigarette and porn money in a piggy bank for a year, you could afford a REAL full auto.


So its NOT that only "elites" can afford FA. Its that wasteful people cannot.
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Your not even being remotely funny anymore. You are being a colossal ass hat, throwing around insults for no reason. I just went to the range today. Shot about 300 RDS in my colt with the slide stock. I've got about another 8000 RDS so I'll be good. I guess i houldve spent all my money on one gun that I can't afford to feed. I'm done with Garandwannabe and this thread.

I'll leave with this opinion. A fa lower is fun. A slide stock gives you a close representation of fa for a fraction. The stock is well made , as nice as any high grade replacement butt stock. Out!
 
BYE.


Anyway, like I was saying, the most fun full auto I've had is with 22rf. And Slidefire can't begin to simulate that.

That, and along with the fact that Slidefire is exactly the opposite technique you want to use for accurate shooting, is the main thing I want the OP to understand.
 
My brother in law has one that I've played with when you could find a lot of cheap ammo. It was alright at best. I've had the chance to shoot F/A guns so it was not that enjoyable for me. You loose a lot of accuracy and the technique is hard to get right but very do able. I'd personally not own one but that's just because I don't care to dump mags as fast as I can.
 
garandman said:
Advice.... well, for one thing, I'd seek professional medical advice about your condition. Immediately. :)

You've obviously never spent any quality time shooting subsonic 22rf full auto suppressed. EVERYONE "needs" that :) And slidefire plastocrap can't come close to simulating it.

I do wish I was a gun eltist with a Barrett 99, like you.
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I went my whole life without taking meds and I thought I was doing just fine. Maybe I have it all wrong and there really is something wrong with me, and I needed to take advice from an expert like yourself?

Slide Fire works great shooting .22LR out of M&P 22 AR. That's because the M&P is very light, and does not take much recoil force for you to bump the trigger.
 
garandman said:
BYE.


Anyway, like I was saying, the most fun full auto I've had is with 22rf. And Slidefire can't begin to simulate that.

That, and along with the fact that Slidefire is exactly the opposite technique you want to use for accurate shooting, is the main thing I want the OP to understand.
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With practice you can be accurate with slide fire, and it does simulate full auto just fine. The rate of fire matches equal to that of full auto.

We all would much rather have a REAL DEAL Full Auto gun over the Slide Fire. However, you are talkin $20,000 vs. $350.

The slide fire is probably 3 times more in cost than what it is worth, but $125 or $350, the cost of the Slide Fire is really insignificant compared to the cost of ammo you will be burning. Case of Wolf even before the craze went for $220 per 1000 shipped. Now that Wolf cost about $360 per 1000 (if you can get it), the cost of the slide fire makes it even more significant.
 
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