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That’s the R0 contour, correct? Also, is 24” the current thinking on length? I’ve seen the debate over the years waffle from 20” (even 16”- 18”) up to 26” and every length in between. Just curious because 24” is what I was thinking as well.
Keeping in mind 16.5" is said to be the peak velocity of a 22 lr, wondering if the longer length would consistently slow the bullet to subsonic prior to exiting.
What length
I've got a Shilen ratchet rifled R5 blank in stock, and figured to use it in a V-22S when I get an action in hand. May try a Krieger or Bartlein later to see how a premium cut rifled bbl shoots compared to a buttoned one.
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Vudoo V-22S Single Shot BR/F-Class Action
Let’s hope the head skunk got his therapy and is ready to share.
www.snipershide.com Vudoo's overall reputation and history are all the data I needed to add a 22-S to my 22-R.
Ok, I realize you guys are anxious, and with good reason, but this stuff takes time and we're literally burning the candle at both ends right now. Yes, there are reasons I've not been as vocal and I know it doesn't make sense to some of you, but there are big things happening. On the other hand, I appreciate the confidence many of you have voiced as it relates to who we are and what we've been doing for a while now.
So, without further delay, a few pics of what we've been up to. I believe there are some amongst you that will see how serious we are about the BR game; frankly, we're not screwin' around. There will be real data posted here as it relates to what's pictured, so don't keep beating me up via PM about data, this is unfolding in an incredibly detailed manner, as should be the case with our BR plans. As far as we/Vudoo are concerned, there's only one way to do things and that's the right way. No anecdotal information or sniveling about SAP or PAS; no claims about passing tests that we designed and not sharing the protocols....this is new, this is better, and we believe you guys will appreciate what we're doing for this community as it relates to Re-defining Rimfire.
MB
So, without further delay, a few pics of what we've been up to. I believe there are some amongst you that will see how serious we are about the BR game; frankly, we're not screwin' around. There will be real data posted here as it relates to what's pictured, so don't keep beating me up via PM about data, this is unfolding in an incredibly detailed manner, as should be the case with our BR plans. As far as we/Vudoo are concerned, there's only one way to do things and that's the right way. No anecdotal information or sniveling about SAP or PAS; no claims about passing tests that we designed and not sharing the protocols....this is new, this is better, and we believe you guys will appreciate what we're doing for this community as it relates to Re-defining Rimfire.
MB
Mike, thanks for the update. I little info from time to time will keep us satisfied. That's a fine looking rifle. Is that the McMillan F-class stock or some other BR stock?Ok, I realize you guys are anxious, and with good reason, but this stuff takes time and we're literally burning the candle at both ends right now. Yes, there are reasons I've not been as vocal and I know it doesn't make sense to some of you, but there are big things happening. On the other hand, I appreciate the confidence many of you have voiced as it relates to who we are and what we've been doing for a while now.
So, without further delay, a few pics of what we've been up to. I believe there are some amongst you that will see how serious we are about the BR game; frankly, we're not screwin' around. There will be real data posted here as it relates to what's pictured, so don't keep beating me up via PM about data, this is unfolding in an incredibly detailed manner, as should be the case with our BR plans. As far as we/Vudoo are concerned, there's only one way to do things and that's the right way. No anecdotal information or sniveling about SAP or PAS; no claims about passing tests that we designed and not sharing the protocols....this is new, this is better, and we believe you guys will appreciate what we're doing for this community as it relates to Re-defining Rimfire.
MB
Thanks RF99. That's not a McMillan, it'll only be available as part of what will be the full BR builds.
MB
So if I wanted to order the full build, will Lisa know what it's called? Or can you tell us what to ask for? Thx for the response!
Currently, she won't know. This is all, literally, still coming together. One of the reasons I've not posted much is because it creates the premature blowing up of the phones in St George and we're a small crew. So, standby for more details and please don't call the shop just yet. I'll provide all the info in due time and we're close to having this where we need it to be.
MB
Is that a reverse taper barrel? Can't tell from the pic.
You guys will note as we move forward that what's coming will have a few added features than the actions I originally posted a little while back. This is because I asked and you guys delivered. It's also awesome what happens when you surround yourself with great people, and the results benefit the community over-all.
What you'll see as pictured below is:
Integral 11mm Dovetail Mounts with the ability to still use your own 3/8" mounts, Pic rails, etc.
Ejection port pulled up to stock line
There are also other refinements made as part of the data collection from testing the LRIP actions. The results are incredible, which is why I mentioned above that the sniveling about SAP or PAS is blatantly irrelevant, as are the comments about "proven for BR." So, hang on fellas, and please don't blow up the phones in St George just yet.
MB
What you'll see as pictured below is:
Integral 11mm Dovetail Mounts with the ability to still use your own 3/8" mounts, Pic rails, etc.
Ejection port pulled up to stock line
There are also other refinements made as part of the data collection from testing the LRIP actions. The results are incredible, which is why I mentioned above that the sniveling about SAP or PAS is blatantly irrelevant, as are the comments about "proven for BR." So, hang on fellas, and please don't blow up the phones in St George just yet.
MB
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Mike,
I'm just glad you are going to bring a BR/F-Class rifle to market that doesn't require a degree in black magic (unlike most other high end .22's in this league) to have built by a ".22 specialist" gunsmith (lots of special "secret sauces", most of them).
I hope it will bring in MANY new shooters to enjoy these disciplines, which have been hampered (or scared off) by all the secret sauce and hocus-pocus.
I also think it will make the ammo companies step up their game as they realize MANY MORE people will be willing to shell out $10-20 a box for .22 ammo.
I just hope an American Company will do this.
I'm just glad you are going to bring a BR/F-Class rifle to market that doesn't require a degree in black magic (unlike most other high end .22's in this league) to have built by a ".22 specialist" gunsmith (lots of special "secret sauces", most of them).
I hope it will bring in MANY new shooters to enjoy these disciplines, which have been hampered (or scared off) by all the secret sauce and hocus-pocus.
I also think it will make the ammo companies step up their game as they realize MANY MORE people will be willing to shell out $10-20 a box for .22 ammo.
I just hope an American Company will do this.
This is an awesome post HB. The Vudoo name implies "Black Magic," because rimfire performance in itself has long been considered, "Vudoo." However, as it relates to the V-22S and ultimately, the Target and BR rifles we'll be introducing, it's all about very specific details. This has been our approach from the beginning, as I've stated, controlling the variables that contribute to the outcome are key to overall performance. That's exactly what we're doing here and it's part of the reason I called out the sniveling about SAP or PAS. One isn't actually better than the other, it's really more about the associated details, etc.
MB
Yes, the whole PAS vs. SAP debate is based on a couple of rifle/shooter combinations that have been winning RFBR.
Make no mistake, the VERY experienced (top 2%) shooter is more responsible for these wins than the hardware involved, at the level these guys compete.
BUT, like every game we play, people think they can buy hardware to make up for the time and practice required to compete at these levels.
Such is human nature.
Make no mistake, the VERY experienced (top 2%) shooter is more responsible for these wins than the hardware involved, at the level these guys compete.
BUT, like every game we play, people think they can buy hardware to make up for the time and practice required to compete at these levels.
Such is human nature.
Is it usual for a benchrest receiver to have the port on the left side?
What is SAP and PAS?
I may never shoot much benchrest but the stock is most pleasing. I presume no problem removing the barreled action from the benchrest stock and then reinstalling it. So up the ante for a full build.
Since some tout rigidity of the stock/chassis increases accuracy, why aren't chassis universally used for benchrest shooting?
What is SAP and PAS?
I may never shoot much benchrest but the stock is most pleasing. I presume no problem removing the barreled action from the benchrest stock and then reinstalling it. So up the ante for a full build.
Since some tout rigidity of the stock/chassis increases accuracy, why aren't chassis universally used for benchrest shooting?
HB:
Perhaps one of Mike Bush's other companies is a Skunk Works designing revolutionary 22LR ammunition.
Then of course will be the usual endless brouhaha over whether it is "legal."
Rick
O.K. everybody, this is a great day for the Rimfire Benchrest community. We have a new chance to make things better than they have ever been. I will do my part and am very excited about being a part of what is to come. Let's not talk anymore about the Old Guard's nonsense rhetoric, because it just does not have a future where we are going. To answer a few questions, this stock is what we've been using on Benchrest packages. We worked on the design for over a year. It was made for rimfire or centerfire. It is called a BBRS, Burgess BenchRest Stock and we make them ourselves. It has a 3 inch front and is 2 inches in the rear. Please be patient, Vudoo and I are working as hard and as fast as we can to bring you guys the newest rimfire technology that no one has ever seen.
We are putting this rifle thourgh several different levels of testing, I will post some data soon.
Ivanhoe
Ivan Wells
We are putting this rifle thourgh several different levels of testing, I will post some data soon.
Ivanhoe
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What is SAP and PAS?
Pin Around Spring (PAS)
Spring Around Pin (SAP)
Which is better? Depends on who you ask; for me whichever one shoots better or put differently, who gives a shit. All that matters is the end result.
Rick,
And to further clarify, the "Pin" is the firing pin.
The left port just makes it easier/faster for a right handed shooter to single load the ammo, and ejection works out better on that side, also.
You may need to shoot fast to catch some changing conditions, and this lets you use both hands to speed things up single loading.
Mike stated any bolt/port combo desired would be available.
For example, a left handed shooter would probably want a left bolt/right port combo.
A wood stock dampens vibrations better than a more rigid stock (at least that is the conventional wisdom).
And to further clarify, the "Pin" is the firing pin.
The left port just makes it easier/faster for a right handed shooter to single load the ammo, and ejection works out better on that side, also.
You may need to shoot fast to catch some changing conditions, and this lets you use both hands to speed things up single loading.
Mike stated any bolt/port combo desired would be available.
For example, a left handed shooter would probably want a left bolt/right port combo.
A wood stock dampens vibrations better than a more rigid stock (at least that is the conventional wisdom).
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I saw the Lapua towel in the photo, but also saw many boxes of Eley black box also. I'm guessing the chamber was designed around Eley ammo, we shall see. Stock is sweet, looks fully bedded.
Rick137, while it's not always the case, for BR, the trend is right bolt/left port (RBLP) for right handed shooters to make loading the bullet easier (you can see what you are doing). left bolt/right port (LBRP) for left hand shooters.
Rick137, while it's not always the case, for BR, the trend is right bolt/left port (RBLP) for right handed shooters to make loading the bullet easier (you can see what you are doing). left bolt/right port (LBRP) for left hand shooters.
Thanks gents. Now I understand that RBLP ....... stuff. Shooting my V22 standing offhand in single shot mode makes loading the rounds a bit fiddly, just like loading mags. You get better with practice. But a RBLP would put "more light on the situation." A justification for purchasing the V22S. Will be interesting to try shooting offhand with a benchrest stock. Anything to tilt at a windmill with a new lance.
I have heard that the chamber will not be the same as the V-22, so it will likely be more favorable to Eley since that's the ammo's the "professionals" are using for benchrest matches. Very few Lapua shooters when you look at the Professional Shooting League equipment list.
Holy hell! That is gorgeous!Ok, I realize you guys are anxious, and with good reason, but this stuff takes time and we're literally burning the candle at both ends right now. Yes, there are reasons I've not been as vocal and I know it doesn't make sense to some of you, but there are big things happening. On the other hand, I appreciate the confidence many of you have voiced as it relates to who we are and what we've been doing for a while now.
So, without further delay, a few pics of what we've been up to. I believe there are some amongst you that will see how serious we are about the BR game; frankly, we're not screwin' around. There will be real data posted here as it relates to what's pictured, so don't keep beating me up via PM about data, this is unfolding in an incredibly detailed manner, as should be the case with our BR plans. As far as we/Vudoo are concerned, there's only one way to do things and that's the right way. No anecdotal information or sniveling about SAP or PAS; no claims about passing tests that we designed and not sharing the protocols....this is new, this is better, and we believe you guys will appreciate what we're doing for this community as it relates to Re-defining Rimfire.
MB
When I ordered my complete rifle, Jill told me the stock that they recommended was the McMillan Kestros, now there is the Burgess BenchRest Stock . I realize that there are constant developmental changes going on.
Which stock is now recommended? Also there was a distinct possibly mentioned of a delay in supplying the rifle due to availability of the McMillan. What will be the expected time of delivery of the BBRS vs McMillan?
Which stock is now recommended? Also there was a distinct possibly mentioned of a delay in supplying the rifle due to availability of the McMillan. What will be the expected time of delivery of the BBRS vs McMillan?
The Burgess stock isn't available directly from Vudoo, more info on this will be released within the next few days.
MB
When I first considered buying a V-22S, it was as much about finding out how well it could be made to shoot as it was about how well-suited it would be for competition. Coming from a conventional bullseye NRA Hi Power background, I was thinking in terms of RBRP because that's all I've ever used in prone matches. Shooting with a sling doesn't leave my left arm/hand available to load through a left port (I'm right-handed); but if shooting F-Class with a bipod, or shooting BR off a bench with front rest & rear bag, or a one-piece rest, then the RBLP configuration could very well be the way to go. I've seen some very accomplished BR shooters running strings very quickly to catch a condition. Kind of contrary to my vision of "extreme precision shooting" requiring very deliberate & slow shooting, but as important as quick shooting can be in point blank BR with a 6PPC & 68gr BR bullets, it's obvious that it'd at least as important with a 22RF. If I want to shoot both BR & F-Class, it may be possible to find a stock that's not too much of a compromise for either, but otherwise, I'm going to need two stocks or build two rifles.
Dennis 2 guns are better then one!
H:
In terms of material properties no doubt wood damps vibrational energy better than metal. They do not make wooden bells to best of my knowledge.
However, that is only part of the story. The support perhaps has a significant effect on the amplitude of the vibrations in the stock and the amplitude of vibrations in the stock influence the vibrations in the action and barrel. The ideal would be for the support to drain off the maximum amount of energy while still ensuring good tracking, which to me means translation without rotation during recoil.
An interesting experiment would be to compare results from the V22S in a wooden or composite stock and a chassis. That presupposes a RBLP receiver would work in the chassis.
Rick
I won't claim to be knowledgable but the information contained on an accurate shooter thread might help you.
The article, to me, suggests that the Kestros line of stocks from McMillan is an F-Class stock and is probably not well suited to RFBR. Additionally, wait times for Kestros ZR stocks is six to nine months.
Here's the link: https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2020/03/mcmillan-kestros-zr-rifle-stock-review/
Per Ivanhoe’s post, “It is called a BBRS, Burgess BenchRest Stock and we make them ourselves.”
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