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And you never, ever, EVER will.That was awesome! And I don’t even know what perpetuity means!!
Of course not. I’m just a dumb ol redneck hillbilly that happens to be a southern sympathizer. Their cause was just. Slavery was not the issue until Lincoln made it the issue.
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Today, at Ole Miss, only two people are memorializes by statue. No, it's not Archie and Eli Manning! Are you ready for this? IT'S TWO BLACK PEOPLE! We have a statue of James Meridith . the first black student admitted. And yes, it was by force. The second is a bust of Chucky Mullins, who died as a result of his tackle on a Vanderbilt receiver. Prior to the beginning of football season, a defensive player is chosen to wear Chucky's jersey number-38.
That was a joke, my friend, not an insult. Word play on your understanding of "perpetuity." Go back and read it and you'll get it. I'm not in disagreement with you here.
I know. It’s all good brother! 
This feels like a really good place o drop this link
Everything You Know About the Civil War Is Wrong
It’s perhaps the most misunderstood event in the history of the United Statesmedium.com
but I know it either won't be read and/or it won't be understood
Interesting read. Always knew it wasn't about slavery but never really took the time to dig. What does stick out to me is that politicians haven't changed in well over a century.
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Thank you for your thoughtful post. I wish I could make it less about me and more about the flag, but even the thought makes it more about me.
Looks as if he gave as good as he got.
I have no issue with your views the Civil War. However, that flag does not represent the Confederacy. It represents the KKK response to the civil rights movement in the 1950s. Prior to that, it was not widely flown since the Civil War.
You‘re only vaguely right. The square one is the battle standard of The Army of Virginia, and the rectangular one is the battle standard of The Army of Tennessee. Yea, it hasn’t been “widely” flown ever.
KKK has their own flag Doofus.
KKK has their own flag Doofus.
.....even though its been a part of the mississippi flag since the 1890's?.....
again, thats a bold statement to make....what proof is there that it was only popularized by the KKK in the 50s?
Not the point.
I'm also guessing with that generic response, you've read nothing more than cliff notes.
It is difficult to prove a negative. There is a lot to show it became popular as a stand-alone flag in modern times as a KKK response to the civil rights movement in the 1950s.
I didn’t know about the flag of Tennessee. Also hadn’t seen the KKK flag before either. Thank you. No need for the name calling.You‘re only vaguely right. The square one is the battle standard of The Army of Virginia, and the rectangular one is the battle standard of The Army of Tennessee. Yea, it hasn’t been “widely” flown ever.
KKK has their own flag Doofus.
Well...at least Georgia changed its flag and erased its ties to Confederate history.......
Yes—I do not have the book at hand. I’m happy to read whatever you write.
I grew up in the 50's and that did not happen in North Mississippi!
You shouldnt trust what anyone writes on the internet. I've given you the reference, so that you may study for yourself.
His share_blue handler/paymaster activated him. You see it on a bunch of gun forums, old dormant accounts who never post anything gun related just come in to stir shit durring times of unrest and dissent. They are funded by Soros and other globalist faggots trying to destroy western Civilization and the united states. They should be treated like the traitors and enemies they are, with no quarter or mercy given.
How about the Bonnie Blue?
Will that one be offensive?
The First National of the CSA?
Perote flag?
Van Dorn?
Oh....and Tennesee flag was not the rectangle Navy Jack.
It was a cross, not an x pattern.
Will that one be offensive?
The First National of the CSA?
Perote flag?
Van Dorn?
Oh....and Tennesee flag was not the rectangle Navy Jack.
It was a cross, not an x pattern.
Anytime someone spouts off how great Lincoln was ( who caused the death of over half a million American patriots) I love throwing this back at them:
In 1858, Lincoln expressed his opposition to racial equality and asserted the superiority of white people.
During his famous debates with Sen. Stephen Douglas, Lincoln explained to the crowd: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Lincoln was no different than most white males, North and South, at the time. He was a white supremacist.
In 1858, Lincoln expressed his opposition to racial equality and asserted the superiority of white people.
During his famous debates with Sen. Stephen Douglas, Lincoln explained to the crowd: “I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Lincoln was no different than most white males, North and South, at the time. He was a white supremacist.
What if I told you that this is a racist flag used by communist enemies of the USA who will co-opt and appropriate any left wing cause they think will give them more power?
Its pretty funny that you think you can define symbols not only for yourself, but that you’re the arbiter for all people everywhere. Even if it wasn’t from a position of ignorance it would still be so arrogant and presumptuous it’s ridiculous.
Intersectionality on steroids.
Its pretty funny that you think you can define symbols not only for yourself, but that you’re the arbiter for all people everywhere. Even if it wasn’t from a position of ignorance it would still be so arrogant and presumptuous it’s ridiculous.
Intersectionality on steroids.
Ok, I’ll add the book to my reading list. Sounds interesting if horrifying.
Not true. Look up my previous posts. I already answered this: “Yes, I think it is worth starting a thread. I’m responding to posts defending the Stars and Bars. The low post count in 8-1/2 years reflects listening before speaking. Most of my posts asked questions or tried to contribute where I thought I could. Yes, #9 definitely complicates #1. Pigeon-holed? Sad.” Also, I despise Soros.
My objection is not to the flag but to the reason many use it today. One of the Tennessee flags from the Secretary of State of Tennessee:
Also, found I was wrong about the designation Stars and Bars—that was the name of the flag of the Confederacy:
Attachments
I am not sure if this was addressed to me as I did not spout off about how great Lincoln was. He was a consummate politician. I do not mean that as a compliment. He trashed the Constitution. He caused more loss of American life than WWI and WWII combined. And his actions resulted in the end of slavery, which showed no signs of ending otherwise.
I am not trying to define symbols for others. I am describing them as I see them being used.What if I told you that this is a racist flag used by communist enemies of the USA who will co-opt and appropriate any left wing cause they think will give them more power?
Its pretty funny that you think you can define symbols not only for yourself, but that you’re the arbiter for all people everywhere. Even if it wasn’t from a position of ignorance it would still be so arrogant and presumptuous it’s ridiculous.
Intersectionality on steroids.
And you are still getting it wrong. I'll give you this, you've got moxy for someone who doesn't know what he is talking about.
That isn't the stars and bars either. Stars and bars has 7 stars, not 13. It was called the First National, not the Flag of the Confederacy. Second national looks nothing like the first, and was quickly changed to the third national due to it containing too much white. Stars and bars was changed due to the possibility of confusion from a distance with the union flag.
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There were two versions of the first national. The first had 7 stars. The 13 star was also used.
So technically you aren't wrong.
Also, not fond of the first flag you posted and probably not the second if it relates to Antifa (sorry, I can’t really be sure what it’s about). No, not looking to ban them either.What if I told you that this is a racist flag used by communist enemies of the USA who will co-opt and appropriate any left wing cause they think will give them more power?
Its pretty funny that you think you can define symbols not only for yourself, but that you’re the arbiter for all people everywhere. Even if it wasn’t from a position of ignorance it would still be so arrogant and presumptuous it’s ridiculous.
Intersectionality on steroids.
I think I got the Tennessee part right—an X not a cross. Yes, I oversimplified the Stars and Bars correction but was trying to own up to a mistake and made another.
The Navy Jack was the least common TN flag, by a large margin.
I’m not arguing that as I don’t know. I’m just pointing out that you said it was a cross but they did use an X.
(sigh) Yep, they did use it, along with others.
If you dont know, then why dont you do some study on the subject.
That approach might answer allot of questions and maybe even solve a few problems today... Eh?
I am as this goes off into new directions.
can you please provide the evidence that caused you to come about this conclusion?
I don’t know if there are definitive publications, but plenty of sources here (granted some of questionable reliability): https://duckduckgo.com/?q=when+and+why+did+flying+the+Confederate+flag+become+popular?&t=h_&ia=about
i didnt see anything definitively reliable as a source for your previous claims.....but it is interesting to note, that South Carolina did start flying the flag in '61....as that was the centennial of the Civil War.
frankly, that seems a more plausible explanation for the popularity of the Flag.....certainly makes more sense than "KKK trying to intimidate people"
And Georgia changed their flag to incorporate it 2 years after Brown v. Board of Education.
I should have added—Georgia’s legislative history and contemporary newspaper articles are clear that pretty much everything Georgia did in regard to its flag, schools, and public places at that time was to fight federally ordered desegregation based on Brown v. Board of Education.
I have not gotten to South Carolina but will try to at some point.
I have not gotten to South Carolina but will try to at some point.
I continue to find it odd that all of those who are ‘offended’ don’t know what The Confederate Flag actually looks like. Similarly, they fail to understand the respect held by southerners for the Battle Flag of The Northern Army of Virginia, commanded by General Robert E. Lee (your so called stars and bars). Lee attended West Point and was classmate to many on both sides of the war. He was widely respected and neither he, nor the flag that represented his army, should be defiled.
Our Civil War should be studied carefully. It was a complicated and difficult period for our country, and the animosities that created that conflict were many. We paid for our union with a great deal of blood, and the current resentment for all things related to The Confederacy is nothing more than thinly vailed hatred aimed broadly at “whites” and southerners because those states are mostly republican. Slavery was a heinous mistake, but the latter day governmental solutions have been far worse.
Cops are not all bad, and those who commit crime should be tried like every other citizen. We need to scrutinize police training, and we need to look objectively at the factors influencing the demographic distribution of crime in our country. But I seriously doubt the morons representing either political party have the integrity or will to address, much less promote this undertaking.
This all started because a cop killed a citizen. Yet this thread is evidence that many are not really interested in justice. That death is being wrongly used to provoke racial hatred and distrust for the sole purpose of political gain. Slavery and political propaganda are both evil, and both are rooted in greed. We would all due well to pray that honesty, fairness, and wisdom prevails.
If this is addressed to me, I have already acknowledged errors in the names of the various flags. I did not, do not, and never will suggest that Lee or his flag be defiled. I do not think that my objection to racially intended displays of the flag (leaving room for those whose families have flown it since the Civil War) is thinly veiled hatred of whites (I am white), Southerners (I am a Northerner, but not proudly so), or Republicans (I am a conservative libertarian). I think latter day governmental solutions are wrong-headed and badly implemented but slavery was far worse. I did not start this thread because of the recent killing. I have not addressed your other points because I do not want to get off topic but I do appreciate your thoughts and largely agree.
Here’s a thought you all may find interesting—replying to TriggerJerk! made me think of it. The place I associate most with racist behavior and the flag is the North. The only place that I can think of in the South is Myrtle Beach. Wish I could say they had Northern license plates but they were local. I don’t recall anything particular visiting my wife’s family or on
college tours with our kids in Williamsburg, Charlottesville, Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Charleston, Atlanta, Augusta, Nashville, or Auburn. Saw a little in Clemson and Columbia. I know that the following are in the South but don’t know if they are considered Southern: no problems anywhere I have been in Florida or in New Orleans. Austin seemed iffy on race relations. It didn’t take long for my wife to realize that I was telling the truth that the North is far more racist than the South.
Since I mentioned Charleston, I’ll throw this out: it was my favorite city to visit until last year. The first sign of a city in decline is the consolidation of restaurants. Real shame as they had the best.
college tours with our kids in Williamsburg, Charlottesville, Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Charleston, Atlanta, Augusta, Nashville, or Auburn. Saw a little in Clemson and Columbia. I know that the following are in the South but don’t know if they are considered Southern: no problems anywhere I have been in Florida or in New Orleans. Austin seemed iffy on race relations. It didn’t take long for my wife to realize that I was telling the truth that the North is far more racist than the South.
Since I mentioned Charleston, I’ll throw this out: it was my favorite city to visit until last year. The first sign of a city in decline is the consolidation of restaurants. Real shame as they had the best.
When you visited all those cities, you should have visited all the battlefields and museums near them. Maybe then you would have a clue to what you’re talking about.
If the KKK is so tied to the Confederacy, why was one of its strongest areas Indiana? If it’s just a bunch of drunken redneck racists, why was the Klan responsible for getting prohibition passed and were well known for killing bootleggers?
As was stated previously, the Klan has their own flag, the blood drop cross, and even the Anti Defamation League doesn’t identify any Confederacy flags as being associated with them.
I despise the Klan more than most, but I also despise falsehoods and misinformation.
If the KKK is so tied to the Confederacy, why was one of its strongest areas Indiana? If it’s just a bunch of drunken redneck racists, why was the Klan responsible for getting prohibition passed and were well known for killing bootleggers?
As was stated previously, the Klan has their own flag, the blood drop cross, and even the Anti Defamation League doesn’t identify any Confederacy flags as being associated with them.
I despise the Klan more than most, but I also despise falsehoods and misinformation.
