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Confederacy snowflakes

If this is addressed to me, I have already acknowledged errors in the names of the various flags. I did not, do not, and never will suggest that Lee or his flag be defiled. I do not think that my objection to racially intended displays of the flag (leaving room for those whose families have flown it since the Civil War) is thinly veiled hatred of whites (I am white), Southerners (I am a Northerner, but not proudly so), or Republicans (I am a conservative libertarian). I think latter day governmental solutions are wrong-headed and badly implemented but slavery was far worse. I did not start this thread because of the recent killing. I have not addressed your other points because I do not want to get off topic but I do appreciate your thoughts and largely agree.

No, my thoughts were not directed at you specifically. They were offered as dismay at the current state of our country, and our inability to prioritize and address issues in a rational manner. I am seeing people infected and dying of this damned viral pandemic, while others are working themselves to exhaustion. I am seeing people act selfishly and carelessly with respect to their health, and that of their community (lack of social distancing, masks, and cleanliness). I am watching crime, looting, and general anarchy being produced nationwide, and yet the public readily globs on to any justification or rational to allow or promote this mindless mob behavior. I see the slow steady march of socialism under the moniker of ‘progressivism’, all following the revolutionary tenents of Marx and the tactical steps of Allinsky.

So I am sad, as I never thought I would witness the active dismantling of our country in such a broad, holistic attack. Worse, I never thought the majority of Americans would be so weak as to allow the French Revolution to occur here. Finally, I am pissed that so many gave so much to see this country and it’s people succeed. And the majority of the blame falls on all of us for allowing our government to become subservient to political parties rather than principles. We are in a downward spiral, and our enemies will likely take advantage of our weakened condition. The future looks pretty grim.
 
When you visited all those cities, you should have visited all the battlefields and museums near them. Maybe then you would have a clue to what you’re talking about.

If the KKK is so tied to the Confederacy, why was one of its strongest areas Indiana? If it’s just a bunch of drunken redneck racists, why was the Klan responsible for getting prohibition passed and were well known for killing bootleggers?

As was stated previously, the Klan has their own flag, the blood drop cross, and even the Anti Defamation League doesn’t identify any Confederacy flags as being associated with them.

I despise the Klan more than most, but I also despise falsehoods and misinformation.
I did visit museums as time allowed--our family has always prioritized them. I have not gotten to battle fields but would like to. As anywhere though, I think that museums prioritize a viewpoint important to them so I take all with a grain salt.

I don't know anything about Klan activities in Indiana but do know that they were active in the North (hopefully calling Indiana as being in the North is not an insult to them). I have never nor will I ever use the term "drunken redneck racists". I know nothing about the Klan killing bootleggers.
 
No, my thoughts were not directed at you specifically. They were offered as dismay at the current state of our country, and our inability to prioritize and address issues in a rational manner. I am seeing people infected and dying of this damned viral pandemic, while others are working themselves to exhaustion. I am seeing people act selfishly and carelessly with respect to their health, and that of their community (lack of social distancing, masks, and cleanliness). I am watching crime, looting, and general anarchy being produced nationwide, and yet the public readily globs on to any justification or rational to allow or promote this mindless mob behavior. I see the slow steady march of socialism under the moniker of ‘progressivism’, all following the revolutionary tenents of Marx and the tactical steps of Allinsky.

So I am sad, as I never thought I would witness the active dismantling of our country in such a broad, holistic attack. Worse, I never thought the majority of Americans would be so weak as to allow the French Revolution to occur here. Finally, I am pissed that so many gave so much to see this country and it’s people succeed. And the majority of the blame falls on all of us for allowing our government to become subservient to political parties rather than principles. We are in a downward spiral, and our enemies will likely take advantage of our weakened condition. The future looks pretty grim.
Agree with all you said. "We" keep voting for the same people who cause the problems we complain about.
 
I did visit museums as time allowed--our family has always prioritized them. I have not gotten to battle fields but would like to. As anywhere though, I think that museums prioritize a viewpoint important to them so I take all with a grain salt.

I don't know anything about Klan activities in Indiana but do know that they were active in the North (hopefully calling Indiana as being in the North is not an insult to them). I have never nor will I ever use the term "drunken redneck racists". I know nothing about the Klan killing bootleggers.
Then stop calling people KKK when you don’t even know what the KKK is or what they stand for.
 
Growing up, I was always taught the civil war was about more than slavery, mainly the federal governments over reach of power into states rights. Yes slavery is evil. But at the time it was accepted and the way of life for the southern farmers. Glad it’s over, but a I have never personally known anyone responsible for it.

Yes the battle flag is used in klan rally’s and white supremists groups, most of the idiots I know that have or were in the klan are the retards that would set in the corner of the classroom and eat their boogers. They have zero knowledge of the civil war or the events leading up to it. Just uneducated twats that are easily perseuded into following something they don’t understand.
 
I have no issue with your views the Civil War. However, that flag does not represent the Confederacy. It represents the KKK response to the civil rights movement in the 1950s. Prior to that, it was not widely flown since the Civil War.
Pretty arrogant to sit there and tell us what the flag represents to southerners. You are the problem, not the solution.
 
Then stop calling people KKK when you don’t even know what the KKK is or what they stand for.
I have not called anyone KKK. I have said that modern use of the flag started with the KKK in the 1950s as a response to the civil rights movement.
 
Pretty arrogant to sit there and tell us what the flag represents to southerners. You are the problem, not the solution.
Yes, my initial post was somewhat arrogant. I could probably have found a better way to start a discussion. I have acknowledged my error in attributing all use of it to racism--any families using it since the Civil War may well have other intentions. I do think that anyone who started in the 1950s is using it as a protest of the civil rights movement and the federal enforcement of Brown vs. Board of Education--they may state this as against government over-reach, but I'm going with racism. I guess people who started more recently could be using it as a protest of government over-reach now and they would have my sympathy for the thought but not the way they show it.
Beautiful dog in your avatar.
 
Growing up, I was always taught the civil war was about more than slavery, mainly the federal governments over reach of power into states rights. Yes slavery is evil. But at the time it was accepted and the way of life for the southern farmers. Glad it’s over, but a I have never personally known anyone responsible for it.

Yes the battle flag is used in klan rally’s and white supremists groups, most of the idiots I know that have or were in the klan are the retards that would set in the corner of the classroom and eat their boogers. They have zero knowledge of the civil war or the events leading up to it. Just uneducated twats that are easily perseuded into following something they don’t understand.


ALL of the real Confederate good old boys that I know, including the ones who were part of our N-SSA competition troop in the past, wanted NOTHING to do with the racist assholes that have hijacked the flag for their own nefarious purposes. I am 100% sure they would have acted violently if Klan members wanted to 'recruit' them...
 
Now you're just trolling. Oops, sorry. You've been trolling this entire thread. Shut the fuck up with your bullshit that you know absolutely nothing about. Go scratch your scab somewhere else!!
Every point you have tried has been discredited and you revert back to the same bullshit KKK has been using the flag.
To be clear. No One Gives A Fuck!! It's a First Amendment Right. If you don't like it, if it makes your vagina sore or any other abnormalities tough shit. Grow some skin and move on.

Fuck, you're like a broken record
 
Then stop calling people KKK when you don’t even know what the KKK is or what they stand for.
OK, so I have had time to read abut the KKK and bootleggers. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that between their efforts against Reconstruction and their efforts against the civil rights movement, they used Prohibition as a reason to terrorize Catholics and southern European immigrants.
 
ALL of the real Confederate good old boys that I know, including the ones who were part of our N-SSA competition troop in the past, wanted NOTHING to do with the racist assholes that have hijacked the flag for their own nefarious purposes. I am 100% sure they would have acted violently if Klan members wanted to 'recruit' them...
Glad to hear it. Also appreciate the acknowledgement that the flag was hijacked for nefarious purposes. Wish there was a way you could get its use back.
 
Now you're just trolling. Oops, sorry. You've been trolling this entire thread. Shut the fuck up with your bullshit that you know absolutely nothing about. Go scratch your scab somewhere else!!
Every point you have tried has been discredited and you revert back to the same bullshit KKK has been using the flag.
To be clear. No One Gives A Fuck!! It's a First Amendment Right. If you don't like it, if it makes your vagina sore or any other abnormalities tough shit. Grow some skin and move on.

Fuck, you're like a broken record
Agree completely on the First Amendment right. I am not trolling. I wish you would argue the points I have made and take note of the ones that I have conceded instead of your personal attacks. I also wish you would be more civil.
 
Glad to hear it. Also appreciate the acknowledgement that the flag was hijacked for nefarious purposes. Wish there was a way you could get its use back.


It's use will come, and may come faster than we think. After all, we have a bunch of traitorous scumbags right now, here on our own soil, declaring treason against our country's ideals and principles. We are beginning to lose our patience quickly, and when that last shred of patience is gone, we WILL rally behind something and take back what is rightfully ours...
 
I have never nor will I ever use the term "drunken redneck racists". I know nothing about the Klan killing bootleggers.

It's not about what you "call" people, it's how you "treat" people.
Some folks are so proud of themselves cause they "never said the N word"....some of the most racist assholes on the planet are exactly like that....and vice versa.
 
Agree completely on the First Amendment right. I am not trolling. I wish you would argue the points I have made and take note of the ones that I have conceded instead of your personal attacks. I also wish you would be more civil.

Let me just speak for my converted yankee brethren if I may be so bold.

Listen.....no one is saying you aren't a very nice, very polite troll......but......you are trolling.
Hell, some of us are almost fond of you.
 
You have made zero points to argue that have not been discredited.
End of story!! Like I said.... You're a broken fucking record.
Agree completely on the First Amendment right. I am not trolling. I wish you would argue the points I have made and take note of the ones that I have conceded instead of your personal attacks. I also wish you would be more civil.
Civil? Just a bit of passive aggressive? Fuck you. Whether you have conceded or not is irrelevant. There's absolutely nothing that you have stated here that's remotely close to truth.
You're a fucking dumbass Yankee that thinks his passive demeanor will get you a pass on being nothing but a troll.
 
It's not about what you "call" people, it's how you "treat" people.
Some folks are so proud of themselves cause they "never said the N word"....some of the most racist assholes on the planet are exactly like that....and vice versa.
Fair enough
 
Let me just speak for my converted yankee brethren if I may be so bold.

Listen.....no one is saying you aren't a very nice, very polite troll......but......you are trolling.
Hell, some of us are almost fond of you.
Honest, not trying to troll. But, thank you for the "almost".
 
You have made zero points to argue that have not been discredited.
End of story!! Like I said.... You're a broken fucking record.

Civil? Just a bit of passive aggressive? Fuck you. Whether you have conceded or not is irrelevant. There's absolutely nothing that you have stated here that's remotely close to truth.
You're a fucking dumbass Yankee that thinks his passive demeanor will get you a pass on being nothing but a troll.
I expected something like this but hoped to be wrong. I had planned to respond with a "fuck you" yourself, but you beat me to it.
 
Honest, not trying to troll. But, thank you for the "almost".

No problem. It's the new "kinder gentler" Chikn.
Some guys in this thread are choking on their Arbys roast beef sammich right now.
There was a time I would have pulled my virtual straight razor and cut your virtual ass.
I think I'm becoming a pacifist.
 
OK, so I have had time to read abut the KKK and bootleggers. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that between their efforts against Reconstruction and their efforts against the civil rights movement, they used Prohibition as a reason to terrorize Catholics and southern European immigrants.
Did you not know they hate Catholics, especially Irish and Italian?
 
I think this strays from the spirit of this thread's genesis, which is "it is all about meeee!". Having said that, the Confederacy was never charged with anything and the legal battle was over the right of states to secede or not. Does the Declaration of Independence confer the right of revolution and/or secession to states? Where does the CONUS address secession? How do the Articles of Confederation bolster the argument of one side or the other? That is what was decided in Texas v White. The whole thing is very much worth a read. Undertaking this effort is highly anti-Snowflake.

I don't see anything wrong with @LucasTNT calling people losers. Pretty much my entire life I have enjoyed the sport of insult hurling. My favorite humorists are masters of it (Samuel Clemens and Ambrose Bierce being practical deities of the art) and my closest friends are all cringe-worthy characters.

However, doing so with neither humor nor some argued position just makes you Don Lemon or Sean Hannity. But that is hardly the most disappointing part. The Snowflake's self-absorbed cries of anguish never, ever connect with the actual horrors of those shameful moments in US history upon which we should reflect. Be it slavery, the Civil War, The Trail of Tears, or many others that the WaPo does not currently find fashionable enough to glom onto. In fact, the effort is one of historical disassociation by extinguishing any artifact that may lend some perspective on what actually took place.

Sniffing the winds of Twitter for what aromatic social cause to take a whiff of then demonstrate that you are suffering the same plight of some plundered people by regurgitating whatever you favorite celebrity already vomited does not make you one with all those who have suffered being shuffled through a slave market or starved and frozen on a death march from your ancestral homelands. It does makes you a useful idiot, however.

Of course there is more than one level of hell. That video @SmileMaker posted is the worst form of political division. While the Snowflake has spinelessly confused principles with an inclination for social acceptance, The Lincoln Project simply takes the position of moral superiority based on the score (body count) at the end of game (Civil War). We won and they are losers. This is Ford vs Chevy except we don't drink beer together at the end of the day, and then argue about whose beer is more faggy. We vilify and shun one another. This trash of a video intends exactly such an outcome.
 
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I had hoped that this died a well-deserved death. As the OP, may I ask a moderator to lock it?
 
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Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
 
You can delete it. 👍🏻
I take it that you think I should delete it? I prefer not to lose all of the previous debate or behave cowardly. But if the wheels come off, it may be best to do so. Is there no way for a mod to lock it?
 
It's use will come, and may come faster than we think. After all, we have a bunch of traitorous scumbags right now, here on our own soil, declaring treason against our country's ideals and principles. We are beginning to lose our patience quickly, and when that last shred of patience is gone, we WILL rally behind something and take back what is rightfully ours...
You are 100% correct. White, non kluckers, have been called to arms since coming to America. White men, who want nothing more than to care for their families, are restrained, but have their limits!
 
I take it that you think I should delete it? I prefer not to lose all of the previous debate or behave cowardly. But if the wheels come off, it may be best to do so. Is there no way for a mod to lock it?
I don’t think you should delete it. I was only saying as the OP you can delete it if you want it to go away.

The mods can lock or delete it, but this thread isn’t anywhere near them getting involved, unless the wheels come off (like you suggested). In my opinion the wheels aren’t anywhere near coming off, as a mater of fact they are just getting greased...
 
The great heritage of the South...


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