DeLane Development Group Rimfire Ventures

[RubiconJoey]

Because of the possibility that the last few rounds could be forced past the feed lips. Less stack means less load and the constant force could be a greater mechanical advantage for the spring vs the ability of the feed lips to constrain the force.

MB

Would it not be possible to size the spring appropriately? Surely a constant force spring that has less force at minimum stack (one round) than a wound spring at full stack could still have enough force to feed reliably. Especially with lightweight rounds such as 22.

 

[TheOE800]

Should we expect an email response to our small parts queries now or at a later date?

 

[J_Reacher]

So now, to focus on some key areas that appeared to be off-topic (Rem700, pre-64 Win, LS vs Coyote), but were dropped in to serve a larger conversation. Now it's time to add the next part.

The reason I used @carbonbased as a launch pad isn't only because he's a funny Dude and I knew he'd get it, but instead, because someone used the most over used word in the gun industry: INNOVATE.

If anything is done under the guise of innovation that doesn't properly serve this equation:

Accuracy and precision are two measures of observational error.

Accuracy is how close a given set of observations are to their true value.

Precision is how close the observations are to each other.

Is it really innovation?

MB

Sorry, late to the party, but I will bite.

Innovation is being creative AND methodical to make accuracy and precision converge to meet the targeted goal (pun intended).

Incremental change is working from a base design and making small improvements/refinements to achieve a goal (maybe cost, maybe precision or accuracy or both) to differentiate from the competition and claim "its better". Sometimes, it addresses a deficiency in the current design or flaw found in actual use, but is usually mislabeled as innovation (sometimes haters call it "a solution looking for a problem").

Revolution is an approach that some would consider "radical" that changes or elevates a design to a whole new platform or way of thinking or operating that doesn't care to address minor flaws or issues, but is tired of working a problem the same ol conventional way of thinking and addresses it without accepting constraints that would limit how one would approach making a system manage precision and accuracy in a very predictable way to achieving a new level of performance.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Should we expect an email response to our small parts queries now or at a later date?

I've been replying pretty much as they come in, did you not receive a response?

MB

 

[RAVAGE88]

Would it not be possible to size the spring appropriately? Surely a constant force spring that has less force at minimum stack (one round) than a wound spring at full stack could still have enough force to feed reliably. Especially with lightweight rounds such as 22.

Yes, provided it's not all about the spring and other key features are addressed appropriately. The operating dynamics throw a whole new set of problems into the mix along with the characteristics of what's being fed, as in design of the case (protruding or rebated rim, taper, and so on).

MB

 

[RAVAGE88]

Sorry, late to the party, but I will bite.

Innovation is being creative AND methodical to make accuracy and precision converge to meet the targeted goal (pun intended).

Incremental change is working from a base design and making small improvements/refinements to achieve a goal (maybe cost, maybe precision or accuracy or both) to differentiate from the competition and claim "its better". Sometimes, it addresses a deficiency in the current design or flaw found in actual use, but is usually mislabeled as innovation (sometimes haters call it "a solution looking for a problem").

Revolution is an approach that some would consider "radical" that changes or elevates a design to a whole new platform or way of thinking or operating that doesn't care to address minor flaws or issues, but is tired of working a problem the same ol conventional way of thinking and addresses it without accepting constraints that would limit how one would approach making a system manage precision and accuracy in a very predictable way to achieving a new level of performance.

Very well stated....

MB

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

The High End .22lr World is becoming about as exciting as the race to MARS by SpaceX. It keeps building up, new stuff everywhere, the old, good stuff falling by the wayside.

And I can’t wait, to see it all work out.

(In my case, time is of the essence, its not critical, but I like to think in months, as years are passing so darn fast).

 

[RAVAGE88]

The High End .22lr World is becoming about as exciting as the race to MARS by SpaceX. It keeps building up, new stuff everywhere, the old, good stuff falling by the wayside.

And I can’t wait, to see it all work out.

(In my case, time is of the essence, its not critical, but I like to think in months, as years are passing so darn fast).

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Well said, and I have to say, I've not been this excited in a long time.

MB

 

[drewh]

While I don't have a specific need at the moment, I do like the Vudoo bottom metal on my gen 1 Sinister and am thinking of moving my gen 2 into a stock vs chassis. Will you be offering action wrenches, kick myself for not getting those when available.

 

[RAVAGE88]

While I don't have a specific need at the moment, I do like the Vudoo bottom metal on my gen 1 Sinister and am thinking of moving my gen 2 into a stock vs chassis. Will you be offering action wrenches, kick myself for not getting those when available.

Gotcha. I can offer the DBM, but it will be branded differently, if there's enough interest. Yes, I'll be doing the action wrenches and will keep everyone updated on their availability.

MB

 

[68hoyt]

MB ,
Mags and mag springs , I have seen discussions in the past about people looking into clock type springs , why won’t these work ?
It would seem to work great in theory , with all the extra space in your mag design behind the actual 22 mag column you could put the wound clock spring back there , I don’t know

 

[RAVAGE88]

It looks like you can start a business manufacturing parts kits for Vudoo owners
DW

Looks Like you were right....

MB

 

[deltawiskey]

Sorry, I wasn't specific. Bolt knobs as in the selection offered by Vudoo that screw onto the Vudoo bolt handle and the DBM offered by Vudoo that I designed.

MB

I'm a big fan of the round bolt knob.
DW

 

[Longshot231]

Hopefully, I'm not going way out in left field on this idea but here goes. Is there any chance @RAVAGE88 can produce a super accurate rimfire with a Fortner / straight-pull action that would fit in a R700 stock or chassis?

Yes, I know that Anschutz and Volquartsen already produce rifles with those actions but I'm confident that @RAVAGE88 has the skill to design one that can top those other manufacturers.

I realize that sounds like a crazy, outside of the box request. Yet, @RAVAGE88 was thinking outside the box when he started making super accurate rifles that had a 700 footprint years ago and look how it took off!

Pardon me while I slip into something flame-retardant.

 

[RAVAGE88]

Hopefully, I'm not going way out in left field on this idea but here goes. Is there any chance @RAVAGE88 can produce a super accurate rimfire with a Fortner / straight-pull action that would fit in a R700 stock or chassis?

Yes, I know that Anschutz and Volquartsen already produce rifles with those actions but I'm confident that @RAVAGE88 has the skill to design one that can top those other manufacturers.

I realize that sounds like a crazy, outside of the box request. Yet, @RAVAGE88 was thinking outside the box when he started making super accurate rifles that had a 700 footprint years ago and look how it took off!

Pardon me while I slip into something flame-retardant.

Thanks, Dude, nothing flame retardant required.

MB