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Does Ci stand for confidential informant?
LOL you really are gullible if you think anyone left in the msm is really a free press
Yeah, grampa knew what was up. But, he didn’t have YouTube…
They don’t think “clout” be like it is, but it do.
This too has nothing to do with what I said. But if you are alluding to a belief that Dominion somehow corrupted the 2020 election, please do provide details.
Rightly so I guess based on the court docs listed above. I wasn’t wrong. According to some it’s all made up and he was railroaded.
According to court docs, OJ didn’t kill Nicole Brown, or Ron Goldman.
Yeah but that's not compatible with "shall not be infringed!!!1!!1!!" flexing on the internet. The guys with Grandpa's war bring-back, a cut-down shotgun, or a homebuilt can are not the tough talkers who shit-talk 07/02 SOTs that aren't opening willing to commit felonies.
My guess is by the time they're done with him, he won't be able to own a Chipmunk .22 single shot.
I gotta say you got me with this one. At first I was all “wtf, I put this guy on ignore.” Had to look closer to see that you screencapped his demise. This thread is 1/4 the length w/o his posts…
OJ never admitted to any crime. Stipulation of facts above has Vickers admitting to the crimes. Apples and oranges.
OJ was guilty as fuck and everybody knows it.
I have no sympathy for Vickers on the importation and blueprints and business dealings.
If Vickers dad was President this would be a non issue. He should have been snorting coke off of a hookers ass and tits and smoking meth.
I was like DAMN!! Wonder what is was that angered the cat community. But as Mr. Clarkson says: "Anyway"
You guys forgot to call me a Nazi simp btw....slacking off.
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As to the Vickers thing--that indictment goes WAAAY beyond just NFA things--violating international sanctions. Yikes. I'm sure the world is a safer place now that the LAV can't film with genuine AKs or AK parts, but still this doesn't exactly strike me as pro-2A work for the masses.
A while back (year ago) it come across the wire that ATF had siezed all of Vickers stuff and thir was speculation about why. I think we just found out why.
Other things that worry me:
Uh oh. Sounds like someone cracked encyrption. That's not good. That's not good at all.. Maybe the know some other way.
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Does the team, “plea deal” mean anything to you?
“Error while decrypting the text”
The government built Tor, improved water quality, reduced crime, contained communism, on and on. I’m sure they can decrypt anything…
Read this if you want a more mature assessment of what's going on: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread...g-about-this&p=1519559&viewfull=1#post1519559
Ya talking about all the posts over there where people say that maybe playing the law-letter sample game is not a big deal but violating weapons embargoes is pretty stupid? Or just the absence of casual locker-room talk about violating the NFA? Definitely agree it's more mature.
That's not what I got out of it.
The educated opinions of several federal leos and attorneys on that thread is that Vickers got caught up in an ever expanding investigation that started as an arms embargo violation and snowballed into a whole lot more.
Outside of a few idiots on that thread, everyone pretty much realizes that none of the charges are "no big deal".
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I'd still take the odds at trial. Pleading guilty has a 0% chance of you not ending up as a felon.
"What are the Chances for a “Not Guilty” Verdict if a Federally Charged Criminal Defendant Takes the Case to Trial?
Statistically not very good. Currently federal prosecutors tout above a 95% conviction rate.
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Let’s just put on our imagination caps and say “it wasn’t me. It was the 1 armed man!”
Do you plead guilty to charges you know you are not guilty of?
I suppose there is some calculus that one could run that includes lawyer fees, potential loss of rights, jail time, a move to Paraguay (wtf?), etc.
Maybe it’s just a big misunderstanding, and pleading guilty to 1/2 a dozen felony charges was the best an innocent Vickers could do.
Do you plead guilty to charges you know you are not guilty of?
I suppose there is some calculus that one could run that includes lawyer fees, potential loss of rights, jail time, a move to Paraguay (wtf?), etc.
Maybe it’s just a big misunderstanding, and pleading guilty to 1/2 a dozen felony charges was the best an innocent Vickers could do.
Sure, because prosecutors are taking cases they know they can win. What % of cases go to trial?"What are the Chances for a “Not Guilty” Verdict if a Federally Charged Criminal Defendant Takes the Case to Trial?
Statistically not very good. Currently federal prosecutors tout above a 95% conviction rate.
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"What are the Chances for a “Not Guilty” Verdict if a Federally Charged Criminal Defendant Takes the Case to Trial?
Statistically not very good. Currently federal prosecutors tout above a 95% conviction rate.
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5% chance of not being a felon > 0% chance of not being a felon
Higher math....I know
My guess is they'll offer him a deal, ask him if he wants to spend the rest of of his life in prison and never see his family again or ...help them out.
Part of that deal will be giving up his list of people that took his courses and ordered anything from Vickers Tactical.
ATF caught a big fish in their eyes and are going to process every inch of him.
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Or, he’s already on deaths door with his cancer, and didn’t want want to burned his family any further with a long drawn out court battle, so took a sweetheart deal that makes that justifies the ATF’s existence and sees him serve no time.
He already plead guilty, no offers necessary.
The pew image I posted looks like of all the criminal charges, 8.2% had cases dismissed, 89.5% plead guilty, 2.3% go to trial.
Of that 2.3% that go to trial, 91.4% are convicted.
The other aspect, Varg Freeborn talks about this, is the high financial price of a trial.
You have to factor in that if you take a plea agreement, your most likely going to get a far less sentence than if you go to trial and lose. Common sense.... I know.
Imagine being able to pick the creamiest 2% of the work load, and still dropping the ball almost 10% of the time. Then again 1.9/2.3=83%…, so make that dropping the ball 17% of the time + points off for bad math…
I’m going to posit that the vast majority of the 1.9% of cases that are tried and end in conviction involve a defendant that actually did it- whatever “it” was. And, of the 0.4% of cases that end in acquittal, a good portion is due to incompetence, or lack or loss of evidence (dead witness is still a thing…)
A defendant is behind the 8ball as soon as their case is picked up, because the legal system isn’t moving one bit until there is a pile of evidence.
I’ve seen enough “Law and Order” to know the states Attorney isn’t filing shit until s/he can win the case.
Maybe Vickers is falling on his sword. Maybe he was guilty of a lot more stuff that we’ll never know about, because he took a plea deal that sealed the actual breadth and depth of the charges, and the evidence against him.
I'm betting he does time. I'm betting it will be a fraction of the 25 years max that violating trade sanctions carries. My bet is also that it will be at a min security facility
But he will
I’m betting he suck starts something first.
Not the first time it's been done in these circumstances
Fuck a trial or a plea deal. If he has the resources, he should run for as long and as hard as he can. Trump should too.
Good fckn luck to the Marshals Service extraditing our boy LAV if hes got these dudes around him...
Good fckn luck to the Marshals Service extraditing our boy LAV if hes got these dudes around him...
Demo ranch on youtube was showing off his mp7 today. He shouldn’t be teasing ATF with his post samples . He could have been the example. But he no doubt scored lower on their priority list since he isn’t a decorated American hero!
This is a pretty good, easy to read assessment of what was going on, along with Vickers role in it. He's in this whole mess up to his neck.... (The last paragraph is what's going to sink him).
www.ar15.com
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www.ar15.com Well there ya go dude! LOL just hit up your bro from Kalashnikov Concern and tell him hey dude I wanna come work and retire in Russia now.This is a pretty good, easy to read assessment of what was going on, along with Vickers role in it. He's in this whole mess up to his neck.... (The last paragraph is what's going to sink him).
Larry Vickers indicted - Page 18 - AR15.COM
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@hk401 has a MR223A3 and a G28.. I asked him how the hell he got that shit in Wyoming? Probably a good thing you didn't answer that buddy. Might wanna take those pics down..??
This is a pretty good, easy to read assessment of what was going on, along with Vickers role in it. He's in this whole mess up to his neck.... (The last paragraph is what's going to sink him).
Larry Vickers indicted - Page 18 - AR15.COM
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These were neither criminal masterminds nor any sort of RKBA heroes. That's some real dumbass behavior considering that they were communicating electronically amongst several parties, dealing in Title II (NFA) items that generate a paper trail wherever they go, and flexing all over YouTube for the world to see.
That last part might be the best predictor of who goes down next.
Thanks, assholes, because this is going to make life more different for the rest of us who hold a SOT.
I know how this is going to sound but I want to say it anyway. For some reason I never liked the guy.
I think he was a frequent guest, or had a show on one of the old CMT TV shows back when I had dish network years ago. There was just something about him that I did not buy. His speech patterns, his body language.....something. Friends would say, on he is one of those SF guys, they are all like that. Not in my experience, and I grew up with one. Those people that I have been around seem to be in two flavors. When a 10yr old asks what did you do in Vietnam and the answer was, oh I was a carpenter...ok. My uncle would tell me that guy was one crazy dude, he did all kinds of secret squirrel stuff.....really he said he built book cases. Well he did that too we all did....oh. And when you ask a guy and he said well I can't really tell you it was all top secret, my uncle would come back and say, that guy never left the kitchen.
It seemed to me as a child those that talk down to themselves are actually the ones you read about in books, and those that talk and act like they are a bad ass are anything but. That seemed to carry through my entire life no matter the field of work the person is in.
I did stumble across his YT channel, but passed it by. Only reason I posted up the video I did is it was on another channel, and that is a very high interest area of mine.
I think he was a frequent guest, or had a show on one of the old CMT TV shows back when I had dish network years ago. There was just something about him that I did not buy. His speech patterns, his body language.....something. Friends would say, on he is one of those SF guys, they are all like that. Not in my experience, and I grew up with one. Those people that I have been around seem to be in two flavors. When a 10yr old asks what did you do in Vietnam and the answer was, oh I was a carpenter...ok. My uncle would tell me that guy was one crazy dude, he did all kinds of secret squirrel stuff.....really he said he built book cases. Well he did that too we all did....oh. And when you ask a guy and he said well I can't really tell you it was all top secret, my uncle would come back and say, that guy never left the kitchen.
It seemed to me as a child those that talk down to themselves are actually the ones you read about in books, and those that talk and act like they are a bad ass are anything but. That seemed to carry through my entire life no matter the field of work the person is in.
I did stumble across his YT channel, but passed it by. Only reason I posted up the video I did is it was on another channel, and that is a very high interest area of mine.
I mean.. FSB Alpha group is absolutely no fckn joke dude.what the actual fuck?
All I could think about as I watched that video:
It might seem madness to us.. but Im sure theres a method to it.
Before his buddy, coworker, partner, or whoever the fuck he was, got murdered, didn't that clown who called himself "FPS Russia" get his entire collection seized by the ATF because of Youtube bullshit?
I agree completely, and have found much the same thing. And I also agree that Vickers is / was in the latter category.
Think he had a little bit of weed or something that led to him getting the collection seized and a short prison sentence.
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