This matches my experience as well, but with that said you can cram more staball into your brass than 4350 or Rl16 and exceed both in overall velocities.
Speaking of which it took 44.8gr to break 2700 and 45.6gr to 2750
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This matches my experience as well, but with that said you can cram more staball into your brass than 4350 or Rl16 and exceed both in overall velocities.
What barrel length are you running?I Think so if the the swings in temps are linear
What barrel length are you running?
If you usually use Reloader 16 / H-4350 / W-760 in your Grendel, then it will work for you.Can this be run in 6.5 Grendel? If remotely around the possibility i'm going to seek out a 1lb. Something that meters as well as ball would be nice to just throw on the 550b and not worry with the chargemaster.
I haven’t loaded yet. Hell haven’t built yet will assemble the upper this week. Going on a dedicated night rig. The idea was a 12.5” Grendel with 123gr sst at 2300fps. Which is right at what hornady custom runs. With a can it should be pretty handy.If you usually use Reloader 16 / H-4350 / W-760 in your Grendel, then it will work for you.
Cheers mate, I think I'm going to buy some
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I did just a few test loads in my 7-08 with Staball and Berger 168 vld.
Barrel specs: 18” 8.5 twist Benchmark barrel.
I loaded up 3 rounds @ 46g, 46.5, 47 grains
Using Starline brass and fed 210 m primers
46g velocity 2510 2513 2515. .65” for 3 shots
46.5g velocity 2545 2551 2558 .73” for 3 shots
47g velocity 2581 2568 2570 . 75 for 3 shots
There was zero signs of any pressure at 47g
For reference, my go to load is a 140 vld over rl16 @ 2840 FPS
I found that same phenomenon when using WC857, WC844, and H335. It seems to ramp up once you hit +/- 93-95% case fill.Yea it seems to ramp up quickly
I went back to range today and sure enough in my 6creed I bumped up my charge and the pieces started to fall in line, I only got two new loads down range until it started pouring. But it went as followed.I gave staball a run in my wife’s 6 creed today. I’m a bit disappointmented. Now a little bit about this rifle, it’s a trued remmy with bart 22” m24 1-7.5 done by alamo in hurst texas and in my opinion has always been on the slow side compared to every velocity/charge weight I’ve ever read. I typically load 105 hybrids with 41.9 h4350 at 3050. (Keep in mind it’s my wife’s gun, it’s 15lbs and she is a new shooter so recoil in an issue) I did a ladder load from 41 to 43.7 all charges were dropped on an autotrickler fx120 (the autothrow was a nightmare, had to use a lee dipper) on lapua brass that’s 3x fired neck turned (cleaned up/evened out) that’s annealed every firing, sized with a redding non bushing die bumped .002 and mandrel expanded with a K&m -.002 mandrel and seated with a redding comp seater. The best es I had was 40!! although I only got to 2990fps and I had no pressure signs, this gun has never not shot a ragged hole with just about any load at 100y. I am a bit defeated. I bought an 8lb jug and was super stoked to be able to load on my progressive just like the rest of y’all are talking about. I Was really hoping to have at least a .3-.5gr node to be comfortable dropping and not trickling. I could use some advice from y’all, it doesn’t matter if it is/isn’t temp stable if I can’t get it to shoot. Also a disclaimer I cleaned cleaned the barrel last week but before the test today I shot 15 factory hornady 105’s through it, never cleaned a gun before with kroil/jb but the fellas at Alamo told/showed me how and said it would take a bit to shoot back in, I did my 6.5creed the same way and it hammered today from the cold bore until the last shot I fired I think I shot 70 through it so I don’t think that’s the issue.
I went back to range today and sure enough in my 6creed I bumped up my charge and the pieces started to fall in line, I only got two new loads down range until it started pouring. But it went as followed.
I used 108elds this time. (I’m running low on 105h)
5 shot groups:
43.7 avg 3009 es 9 Sd 4.1
44 avg 3031. Es 10 sd 5.5
44.3 avg 3049 es 9 sd 4.5
Then it started raining. So my day was cut short but there is potential here
I agree now I just need a wider node to feel comfortable dropping it on a progressiveThat looks good!
Another drop of data to add...
I did just a few test loads in my 7-08 with Staball and Berger 168 vld.
Barrel specs: 18” 8.5 twist Benchmark barrel.
I loaded up 3 rounds @ 46g, 46.5, 47 grains
Using Starline brass and fed 210 m primers
46g velocity 2510 2513 2515. .65” for 3 shots
46.5g velocity 2545 2551 2558 .73” for 3 shots
47g velocity 2581 2568 2570 . 75 for 3 shots
There was zero signs of any pressure at 47g
For reference, my go to load is a 140 vld over rl16 @ 2840 FPS
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47.5g 2701 2690 2703. 1.2 moa no pressure
48g. 2741 2735 2744. 1.5moa first signs of pressure
49g. 2775 2769. 2moa Did not fire 3rd.Showing definite pressure.
This is 100+ FPS more velocity than I can get with any other stable powder, including rl16.
2700 + FPS with a 168 from an 18” barrel is impressive speed.
More testing to follow with accuracy and temp sensitivity.
You picked up 120 FPS with just a half a gain of powder?
Another drop of data to add...
I did just a few test loads in my 7-08 with Staball and Berger 168 vld.
Barrel specs: 18” 8.5 twist Benchmark barrel.
I loaded up 3 rounds @ 46g, 46.5, 47 grains
Using Starline brass and fed 210 m primers
46g velocity 2510 2513 2515. .65” for 3 shots
46.5g velocity 2545 2551 2558 .73” for 3 shots
47g velocity 2581 2568 2570 . 75 for 3 shots
There was zero signs of any pressure at 47g
For reference, my go to load is a 140 vld over rl16 @ 2840 FPS
More info added
47.5g 2701 2690 2703. 1.2 moa no pressure
48g. 2741 2735 2744. 1.5moa first signs of pressure
49g. 2775 2769. 2moa Did not fire 3rd.Showing definite pressure.
This is 100+ FPS more velocity than I can get with any other stable powder, including rl16.
2700 + FPS with a 168 from an 18” barrel is impressive speed.
More testing to follow with accuracy and temp sensitivity.
You picked up 120 FPS with just a half a gain of powder?
I am still wanting to confirm my FPS numbers @ distance, but my chrono has been very accurate with previous tests.
I would definitely suggest being very cautious with this powder. It seems to build pressure very quickly once a certain threshold is reached.
Look at my data too. It seems this powder is very anemic until you get the pressure. Then it shines. Also seems like the SD's stay pretty low too
That’s not the way to look at it. Whenever you see a giant leap in velocity with a small powder charge increase it means you are done.
Done as in stop at 47 grains, in his case, or you’ll blow primers when it gets hot.
You’re going to want to keep going up with staball, you’re not close to the ceiling yet.Ran a little test velocity ladder, started each ladder with a completely cool barrel and chamber. Same lot of 140 ELD bullets and Alpha brass. Winchester StaBall left and H4350 right. MDT 6.5 Creedmoor.
Was wondering that, theres hardly any case fill at 42.8 with the Staball. Im going to guess 44-46g is going to be the sweet spot?You’re going to want to keep going up with staball, you’re not close to the ceiling yet.
Sounds like a safe ideaI'm going to load 10 in .2g incriminates from 43.2-45 to see if I can hit pressure.
I'm going to load 10 in .2g incriminates from 43.2-45 to see if I can hit pressure.
With winter coming here in Ohio, I was going after a baseline to see where a good starting point was. When spring rolls around I won't be far off to do a legit load development.All indications, throughout this thread, indicate that you’ll need somewhere near 47 grains to get case fill and best load with this powder.
Tried this powder in a 6BRA and couldn’t get the speed I needed out of it. 2815 and the case was maxed out with powder.Very interested to see how this works with Dashers and similar running the heavies for cal bullets
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So, you’re contending that barrel life is determined just by heat?
Just trying to understand your logic here...