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pickles without HFCS?

bcw1284

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ok, I know this is not about a workout, but bear with me for a minute. As part of a greater fitness effort, I have gone to great lengths to avoid consuming high fructose corn syrup.

If you don't know why that shit is evil, go to google, please don't hijack.

Anyway, I have in the past few months given sweet pickles a "pass", but now that I have eaten them all, I want to start fresh with non-HFCS sweet pickles.

If you know of any sweet pickles that are readily available at larger supermarkets (wally, king soopers/kroger, safeway, etc.) PLEASE post up! I have been searching for quite some time and come up basically empty handed. I know there are many non HFCS dill varieties, but I have yet to find a truly decent "sweet" pickle.

I realize this may sound dumb, but I think I would die a little inside if I had to stop eating pickles. Seriously.
 
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The most recent studies suggest HFCS to be almost exactly the same to your body as regular sugar. I bet the amount in a sweet pickle is nearly negligible anyway.

That said, you might have to resort to paying for a boutique brand, or canning them yourself.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcw1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok, I know this is not about a workout, but bear with me for a minute. As part of a greater fitness effort, I have gone to great lengths to avoid consuming high fructose corn syrup.

If you don't know why that shit is evil, go to google, please don't hijack.

Anyway, I have in the past few months given sweet pickles a "pass", but now that I have eaten them all, I want to start fresh with non-HFCS sweet pickles.

If you know of any sweet pickles that are readily available at larger supermarkets (wally, king soopers/kroger, safeway, etc.) PLEASE post up! I have been searching for quite some time and come up basically empty handed. I know there are many non HFCS dill varieties, but I have yet to find a truly decent "sweet" pickle.

I realize this may sound dumb, but I think I would die a little inside if I had to stop eating pickles. Seriously. </div></div>

Look for Hausfrauenart pickles they're the jams.

Better yet make your own dude! We used to make Pickles on the farm, it's a fun rewarding thing to do, and they taste better anyways. Not all that time consuming, and a valuable skill for long run food storage.

Then you can use Stevia or something of your preference to make them sweet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sled Dog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The most recent studies suggest HFCS to be almost exactly the same to your body as regular sugar. I bet the amount in a sweet pickle is nearly negligible anyway.

That said, you might have to resort to paying for a boutique brand, or canning them yourself. </div></div>

HFCS is just the same as regular sugar. Both are essentially toxins, and one comes in an extremely compact package.

America is unquestionably fat because of the fact that we eat SO MUCH sugar. HFCS is in just about any processed food, so that has a lot to do with why people consume sugar in such a high volume.

Soda is garbage.
 
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you know, I have a big bag of stevia sitting here that I could use to make some. I'll have to get some stuff and give it a shot.

Got a recipe from the "olden days" CW?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcw1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you know, I have a big bag of stevia sitting here that I could use to make some. I'll have to get some stuff and give it a shot.

Got a recipe from the "olden days" CW? </div></div>

I'll check the recipe box I inherited when my grandmother passed away when I get home tonight and report back. I'm 80% sure it's in there!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sled Dog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The most recent studies suggest HFCS to be almost exactly the same to your body as regular sugar. I bet the amount in a sweet pickle is nearly negligible anyway.

That said, you might have to resort to paying for a boutique brand, or canning them yourself. </div></div>

It happens to be the third ingredient on the label, so there must be a decent amount in the jar. While it may be one of those things your body can tolerate in moderation, like alcohol, it is something I choose not to consume because I don't like the nutritional implications and I do not like the commercial implications. "Big Food" is almost as bad as "Big Tobacco" IMHO (Kraft is owned by phillip morris), and the common thread is that they are addiction specialists. Sugar and salt can be habit forming too, they are counting on that.

I personally choose not to blindly follow their propaganda and just consume anything without thinking. You may disagree, that's fine. That's not the purpose of this thread.

Might I direct your attention to:
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Note that he said Stevia , not Splenda , their is ahige differance !!!

splenda is a by product of rat poisen or some shit.

I mother in law makes sweet pickels all the time , does like 20 layers in a jar , layer of pickels layer of pure cane sugar
 
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yes, stevia is a plant product, and that I am ok with because nobody concocted it in a lab to raise their bottom line. Splenda is made by chlorination of sucrose (table sugar)... yes, chlorine the pool chemical and once-upon-a-time chemical weapon.

btw- anyone ever had a "stickle" (cinnamon pickle)? I got some at the farmers market this fall, and they were awesome. I'll have to google up a recipe for them and make some while i'm making regular pickles.

I made some apple butter this fall for this same reason, and it turned out great even though I mistakenly put in too much honey. I'm not afraid to mess around in the kitchen.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcw1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sled Dog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The most recent studies suggest HFCS to be almost exactly the same to your body as regular sugar. I bet the amount in a sweet pickle is nearly negligible anyway.

That said, you might have to resort to paying for a boutique brand, or canning them yourself. </div></div>

It happens to be the third ingredient on the label, so there must be a decent amount in the jar. While it may be one of those things your body can tolerate in moderation, like alcohol, it is something I choose not to consume because I don't like the nutritional implications and I do not like the commercial implications. "Big Food" is almost as bad as "Big Tobacco" IMHO (Kraft is owned by phillip morris), and the common thread is that they are addiction specialists. Sugar and salt can be habit forming too, they are counting on that.

I personally choose not to blindly follow their propaganda and just consume anything without thinking. You may disagree, that's fine. That's not the purpose of this thread.

Might I direct your attention to:
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Hunh, I hadn't seen that video. Well either way the best answer is going to be making your own. Canning cucumbers to pickles is pretty easy, and you would know exactly whats in them.
 
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That video really had a big impact on my food choices it's an incredible biochemical breakdown of the way our bodies process sugar and alcohol.

Of course, I still drink beer naturally being a Portlander that's simply never going to change no matter what I do
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

HFCS is just the same as regular sugar. Both are essentially toxins, and one comes in an extremely compact package.

America is unquestionably fat because of the fact that we eat SO MUCH sugar. HFCS is in just about any processed food, so that has a lot to do with why people consume sugar in such a high volume.

Soda is garbage. </div></div>

Sugar is not a toxin. Neither is corn syrup. Both are no more poisonous than water. Stop spreading this idiotic nonsense.

Rest of above, ok.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tullius</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sugar is not a toxin. Neither is corn syrup. Both are no more poisonous than water. Stop spreading this idiotic nonsense.

Rest of above, ok.</div></div>

Many renowned biochemists beg to differ, so until you provide some credentials regarding your expertise on the subject, I think i'll stick with the folks who actually know what the fuck they are talking about. Nice try though.
 
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*update*

I still want to try the home-made ones, but as luck would have it I ran across some "no-sugar added" Mt. Olive brand sweet pickles in a dark corner of the local Safeway this evening. I can say they are certainly less tasty, but still palatable. These are made with splenda, which I have mixed feelings about but they were worth a shot. I did add a small amount of sugar to the jar to see if it improves them, and I will let them soak a while and taste test again. By small, I mean less than a tablespoon.

Yes, I know that table sugar has fructose as well, but so do naturally occurring fruits, etc. The important thing is that it is not present in the same concentration as in HFCS, and because glucose is also present there is the normal insulin/leptin response (watch the vid). So, it doesn't bother me that much to know that I altered them. I know this may seem extravagant since there is probably not much HFCS in the originals anyway, but I eat them frequently so it is more the aggregate effect I am concerned with.

Please understand that my personal crusade against HFCS doesn't mean I've decided to never eat any sugar, just that i'm avoiding that one particular ingredient for both health AND political reasons (which I won't get into, per board rules). YMMV, and that's great if it works for you. Lets stick to foods here and not get into beating the exhausted, obese HFCS horse.

After I am done experimenting with these Mt. Olive "Franken-pickles", I will make up some home-made and share my experience back here.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tullius</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

HFCS is just the same as regular sugar. Both are essentially toxins, and one comes in an extremely compact package.

America is unquestionably fat because of the fact that we eat SO MUCH sugar. HFCS is in just about any processed food, so that has a lot to do with why people consume sugar in such a high volume.

Soda is garbage. </div></div>

Sugar is not a toxin. Neither is corn syrup. Both are no more poisonous than water. Stop spreading this idiotic nonsense.

Rest of above, ok. </div></div>

I know you've got it out for me, but this isn't an opinion it's a fact. Whether you're aware of or ignorant of a fact is your ownership, however, amongst scientists the processing of fructose and sucrose(due to the fructose) are nearly the same as alcohol to your liver, and all they do is throw off your blood chemistry and create fat. There's no benefit whatsoever to consuming them.

If that's not a toxin I'm ignorant of what is.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bcw1284</div><div class="ubbcode-body">*update*


After I am done experimenting with these Mt. Olive "Franken-pickles", I will make up some home-made and share my experience back here. </div></div>

My recipe wasn't in the recipe box I checked last night, but I will check my storage this weekend and see if I can come up with it.
 
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CW: don't sweat it, but if you run across it i'd give it a shot. I appreciate you looking for it.

My grandmother was a fantastic cook, but I don't recall her ever canning veggies. Still, some days I really miss the way things used to be. I wish we still had more of that greatest generation among us today.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I know you've got it out for me, but this isn't an opinion it's a fact. Whether you're aware of or ignorant of a fact is your ownership, however, amongst scientists the processing of fructose and sucrose(due to the fructose) are nearly the same as alcohol to your liver, and all they do is throw off your blood chemistry and create fat. There's no benefit whatsoever to consuming them.

If that's not a toxin I'm ignorant of what is.</div></div>

Oh, good grief. I don't have it out for anyone: you two are spouting bullshit of the highest order.

In scientific usage, a toxin is a poisonous substance produced by living cells or organisms. Sucrose (sugar) in normal quantities is not now, nor has it ever been, declared to be a poison by ANY legitimate scientific or medical body. Therefore, sugar cannot be a toxin.

In common usage, the term toxin is often used non-scientifically to refer to any substance claimed to cause ill health. This is your usage, exactly.

Bad stuff may happen when too large of a quantity of sugar is consumed. Same thing with water. Doesn't make water in normal quantities a poison, nor does it make sugar in normal quantities a toxin.
 
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fair enough that makes sense. Fructose here or there isn't going to kill anyone anytime soon. It's just going to make what could be perfectly good looking women fat all over the country I live in, and that disturbs me enough to get overenthusiastic about it hahaha.

Seriously everytime I see a fat chick I wonder if she couldn't be good looking and lament what a shame it is guys like Shankster have all the luck.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Seriously everytime I see a fat chick I wonder if she couldn't be good looking and lament what a shame it is guys like Shankster have all the luck.</div></div>

hahaha. Fuckn' classic. I too am disgruntled by the obesity rate in America. And if memory serves me correctly, I believe the CDC estimates around 51% of adult men and women to be obese by the end of the year. I was talking to my girl the other day about this, and we hypothesized if its possible that one day what is considered "attractive" will change to better accommodate the majority.
 
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well, it was that way in ancient societies, so i could see the "socially accepted" definition of "attractive" changing.

I watched Wall-E the other day and I had to LOL @ the social commentary on humans with the fat people in their hover chairs on the Walmart ship. bwhahaha!

CW, thanks for the laugh, I needed that. I knew a guy like him once, his wife was not allowed to walk on the outer edge of the trailer house so she didn't tip it over. Seriously.
 
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OP: Last time I was at a King Soopers in Fort Collins (you know you go there!) they had some sweet pickles made with Splenda. I can't remember the brand name, may have been Mt. Olive. They were available in spears and relish.

Sugar is not a toxin to your body. "nearly the same as alcohol to your liver" Please. Do you think eating a Banana is the same as drinking vodka, too? Alcohol is metabolized by your body as sugar, but that doesn't make it the same thing.

Stevia is not proven to be better for you than Splenda. There is much less research on it since it is newer. It's "natural" because it comes from plants? So does Splenda.

Splenda is not made from rat poison, that's ridiculous. Don't know what else to say about that.

Soda IS crap, for sure. As for why americans are fat? Our lifestyle does not require much physical exertion, and we have tons of high calorie cheap food available everywhere.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: djkest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OP: Last time I was at a King Soopers in Fort Collins (you know you go there!) they had some sweet pickles made with Splenda. I can't remember the brand name, may have been Mt. Olive. They were available in spears and relish.

Sugar is not a toxin to your body. "nearly the same as alcohol to your liver" Please. Do you think eating a Banana is the same as drinking vodka, too? Alcohol is metabolized by your body as sugar, but that doesn't make it the same thing.

Stevia is not proven to be better for you than Splenda. There is much less research on it since it is newer. It's "natural" because it comes from plants? So does Splenda.

Splenda is not made from rat poison, that's ridiculous. Don't know what else to say about that.

Soda IS crap, for sure. As for why americans are fat? Our lifestyle does not require much physical exertion, and we have tons of high calorie cheap food available everywhere.</div></div>

If you look up higher in the topic, you'll see that I already posted the splenda info. It's not rat poison, but it's hardly "natural" since it is made (in a factory) by chlorination of sucrose (makes "sucralose", aka splenda). That said, I don't have anything against it since city water is chlorinated too and that hasn't killed me yet, lol.

I am not saying that Stevia is better, I only meant to insinuate that I would "rather" have the Stevia if given the choice since it isn't chemically enhanced. Same reason I have a filter on my tap water! BTW- do you know that Splenda is not made in the US anymore? The plant in Alabama was moved to Singapore, which doesn't sit well with me.

A study on the safety of Stevia: WHO food safety report

Like I said, my motivation for avoidance of HFCS is as much political as biological. I personally don't like supporting corrupt politicians and lobbyists who represent the most heavily (and unnecessarily, IMHO) subsidized crop. But that's just me.

Thanks for the tip, i'll check out King Soopers, we have one here in Chey town. I'm betting they are the same ones i've already found (they seem to be the only one)... but there is a high-end brand called wickles which they might have, as i've not found it anywhere else yet.

The splenda pickles are not that bad, after I altered their brine. They have a remote taste of diet coke though, which is strange.
 
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You can get diet coke with splenda, but 90+% of it has aspartame, which is a little different taste.

I'm not sure if Stevia could be classified as natural either, since it is undoubtedly made in a factory.

I wasn't so much responding to you the OP as I was to some of the other posters in the thread.

I will read that WHO report on Stevia, could be interesting.
 
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edit...the Mount Olive pickles have already been discussed...sorry I missed it LOL...

I personally don't mind the taste...but do prefer to make my own pickles.

a little honey goes a long way in a good sweet pickle brine...

when you are done forking around with the frankenpickles, google a recipe for pickles that uses malt or cider vinegar and honey. not sugar..but honey. in the world of post-surgery sweeteners, i have eliminated white sugar, brown sugar, HFCS, aspartame, and saccarine. Sucralose and some of the sugar alcohols are still used in moderation, but for the most part I avoid the sugar subs all together. if i need some sweet in my food, i go for the stevia (dropper bottle of stevia extract from sunflower market) or fresh stevia plant, or honey. all 3 are as natural as you can get IMO. stevia tastes like fawkin garbage in the wrong thing. ya know...another sweetener that i use on slight occasion because of it's intensity per dose is molasses. a little bit goes a LONG way and though I will react to it in quantity, a teaspoon never induced "dumping syndrome" in my or my wife (who also had RNYGBS).

All the same, we prefer honey if we have to add it ourselves. we also like to support the local bee farmers and avoid buying from the stores.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: crazy bay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Seriously everytime I see a fat chick I wonder if she couldn't be good looking and lament what a shame it is guys like Shankster have all the luck.</div></div>

hahaha. Fuckn' classic. I too am disgruntled by the obesity rate in America. And if memory serves me correctly, I believe the CDC estimates around 51% of adult men and women to be obese by the end of the year. I was talking to my girl the other day about this, and we hypothesized if its possible that one day what is considered "attractive" will change to better accommodate the majority. </div></div>

You mean like...going back in time where obesity was a sign of wealth and prosperity? Not a sign of poverty and classlessness like it is now? in medieval times, "portly" women...more rotund/robust women were all the rage, and the skinny ones, big boobs or not were likened to servants and trash? eh..i digress. Having once been a fatty and now not so much, its a damn shame how fuckin shallow people are. I've walked both sides of the fence, and both sides has it's benefits. Skinny guy gets more attention, and I don't have to FIND my pecker to take a leak. Fat side of the fence did not get fawked with. EVER. Now, it seems like dipshits are CONSTANTLy trying to push my buttons when I am out with anyone...family and kids included. I my RNYGBS surgeon must have given me a tattoo that says "please fawk with me" when he rearranged my guts.
 
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and the LAST thing i'm gonna add/detract from this thread after reading damn near the whole thing now...

the amount of sugar or HFCS on the label only accounts for so much of the consumed product. So...the ingredients go: water, cukes, sugar, salt, spices - right? aaaand....are you drinking the brine? so how much sugar or HFCS are you REALLY getting in a friggen pickle? just curious.

Some foods get a bad rap because of the placement of the ingredient on the label. My favorite misnomer on food labels is the amount of fat on the bacon label. By weight (and I've done this a number of times, more than 3/4 of the fat on the ingredients label goes in the garbage. the finished product could almost be called "LOW FAT bacon"... Just sayin...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: djkest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sugar is not a toxin to your body. "nearly the same as alcohol to your liver" Please. Do you think eating a Banana is the same as drinking vodka, too? Alcohol is metabolized by your body as sugar, but that doesn't make it the same thing. </div></div>

A Banana is glucose, not fructose. How your liver manages these two substances breaks down to two completely different processes, and the fructose process is indeed just the same as the liver manages alcohol consumption.

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You can view a biochemical breakdown in the Dr Lustig video I've posted a few times around here comparing the two. The amount of sugar in a can of soda has a very similar impact to a beer on the liver.

Personally I drink beer, so I cut the sugar I refuse to give up beer. Sugar on the otherhand doesn't come with any of the benefits of beer, so I'm not using it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COURAGEWOLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: djkest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sugar is not a toxin to your body. "nearly the same as alcohol to your liver" Please. Do you think eating a Banana is the same as drinking vodka, too? Alcohol is metabolized by your body as sugar, but that doesn't make it the same thing. </div></div>

A Banana is glucose, not fructose. How your liver manages these two substances breaks down to two completely different processes, and the fructose process is indeed just the same as the liver manages alcohol consumption.

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You can view a biochemical breakdown in the Dr Lustig video I've posted a few times around here comparing the two. The amount of sugar in a can of soda has a very similar impact to a beer on the liver.

Personally I drink beer, so I cut the sugar I refuse to give up beer. Sugar on the otherhand doesn't come with any of the benefits of beer, so I'm not using it.
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Ok, more ridiculous bullshit here to straighten out:

Bananas have statistically equivalent amounts of fructose and glucose by weight, and half that much again of sucrose.

The liver does NOT process a pear (containing more than twice as much fructose as glucose)"indeed just the same" as it processes a beer containing alcohol (ethanol).

The processes between how the body handles sugars and alcohols are quite different in normal quantities. However, if you input too much of either, both are treated in a sort of quasi-semi-similar manner by the liver, simply because there is too much of them in the bloodstream. Your statement is a false one, with heavy emphasis on the latter part, and thus untrue.

Folks, everyone would do well to remember the old Roman maxim <span style="font-style: italic">virtus in medio</span>, which translates as <span style="font-style: italic">virtue lies in the middle</span> or, more simply, <span style="font-style: italic">observe moderation</span>.

It is important here to note that Lustig's own colleagues openly disagree with him, calling his ideas purely speculative hypothetical proposals, and that Lustig himself admits his own hypotheses are unproven by lab trials. This is the scientific equivalent of saying "I'm giving a lecture on my own personal ideas that I cannot prove".

This translates as: <span style="font-style: italic">Do not believe everything you hear.</span>
 
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tullius must be right, since he's quoting in latin, he must be smart, or a pretentious know-it-all, of course what do I know, I'm just a douche
 
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Hey Tullius apologies I can't respond right now respectfully a full response is going to take more free time than I've had recently.

I grossly simplified the statement of glucose in bananas I will expand on that when I have the time to give you a full response.

I am interested in seeing the dissenting studies that disagree with Dr Lustig's findings on Fructose and obesity though when I first started reading about his work I looked around and mostly only found blog posts which were kind of dodgy on facts. Please post some sources to go along with that.
 
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Read this article, it's worded as carefully as a news rag can be. Note Havel's (scientist) comments on Lustig's (pediatrician) hypothesis.

Lustig hasn't "found anything", in a study, to refute. He doesn't do lab work. Havel does, however: this study he co-authored with Stanhope is interesting. Note carefully the parameters of the study.

Here's another look at HFCS from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that's readily available and not behind a paywall. The overwhelming majority of scientific studies agree with this.

The first law of thermodynamics has not been reinterpreted. There is no published study that proves otherwise.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tullius</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Read this article, it's worded as carefully as a news rag can be. Note Havel's (scientist) comments on Lustig's (pediatrician) hypothesis.

Lustig hasn't "found anything", in a study, to refute. He doesn't do lab work. Havel does, however. This study he co-authored with Stanhope is interesting. Note carefully the parameters of the study.

Here's another look at HFCS from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that's readily available and not behind a paywall. The overwhelming majority of scientific studies agree with this.

The first law of thermodynamics has not been reinterpreted. There is no published study that proves otherwise. </div></div>

Well, if it's of any value to the discussion Havel went on to do the tests he complained about in that 2006 article, and was well into the research by the time that infamous Youtube video started circulating. Being that they're both working in the same lab I'm guessing each was pretty well aware of what the other was doing.

His results were pretty conclusive in the lab;

Teff, Karen L. Joanne Grudziak, Raymond R. Townsend, Tamara N. Dunn, Sean H. Adams, Nancy L. Keim, Bethany P. Cummings, Kimber L. Stanhope, and Peter J. Havel. Endocrine and metabolic effects of consuming fructose- and glucose-sweetened beverages with meals in obese men and women: Influence of insulin resistance on plasma triglyceride responses. J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab., 94: 1562-1569, 2009.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19208729

Stanhope, Kimber L., Nancy L. Keim, Steven C. Griffen, Andrew A. Bremer, James L. Graham, Bonnie Hatcher, Chad Cox, John P. McGahan, Anthony Seibert, Ronald M. Krauss Sally Chiu, Ernst J. Schaefer, Masumi Ai, Seiko Otokozawa, Katsuyuki Nakajima, Takamitsu Nakano, Carine Beysen, Jean Marc Schwarz, Marc K. Hellerstein, Lars Berglund, and Peter J. Havel. Effects of consuming fructose- or glucose-sweetened beverages for 10 weeks on lipids, insulin sensitivity, and adiposity. J. Clin. Invest. 119: 1322-1344, 2009.

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37385

Pertinent conclusion of that research:

Studies in animals have documented that, compared with glucose, dietary fructose induces dyslipidemia and insulin resistance. To assess the relative effects of these dietary sugars during sustained consumption in humans, overweight and obese subjects consumed glucose- or fructose-sweetened beverages providing 25% of energy requirements for 10 weeks. Although both groups exhibited similar weight gain during the intervention, visceral adipose volume was significantly increased only in subjects consuming fructose. Fasting plasma triglyceride concentrations increased by approximately 10% during 10 weeks of glucose consumption but not after fructose consumption. In contrast, hepatic de novo lipogenesis (DNL) and the 23-hour postprandial triglyceride AUC were increased specifically during fructose consumption. Similarly, markers of altered lipid metabolism and lipoprotein remodeling, including fasting apoB, LDL, small dense LDL, oxidized LDL, and postprandial concentrations of remnant-like particle–triglyceride and –cholesterol significantly increased during fructose but not glucose consumption. In addition, fasting plasma glucose and insulin levels increased and insulin sensitivity decreased in subjects consuming fructose but not in those consuming glucose. These data suggest that dietary fructose specifically increases DNL, promotes dyslipidemia, decreases insulin sensitivity, and increases visceral adiposity in overweight/obese adults.

That is interesting. It sounds like according to Havel consumption of fructose and not glucose promotes all the negative effects. I think Lustig attempts to expand upon that and differentiate fructose chained to glucose and fiber from fruits(not fruit juice), but I'm not certain there's research confirming any of that.
 
Re: pickles without HFCS?

It is interesting, but the study is only valid for an extremely limited scope and sample size: sedentary, age 40-72, non-exercising, already overweight or obese 32 subjects getting a significantly inordinate amount of their total energy (25%) from either pure glucose or pure fructose in an unsweetened Kool-Aid delivery system.

Problem: pure fructose alone is not used as a sweetener in the human diet. Common HFCS is only 42-55% fructose. Also, notice they didn't do this study on young healthy non-overweight subjects. Guess why?

The problem here is that people (including Lustig) are trying to take these very limited studies and argue that fructose is causing obesity. The data just doesn't support it. It would be like force-feeding an already overweight Rosie O'Donnell gallons of honey a day for 10 weeks, noticing she's considerably fatter, and then concluding only honey made Rosie fat in the first place.