Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

Anyone know if Old Testament bibles are still available new in print? I'm not an atheist but I don't own a bible, and I'm thinking I might pick one up- just don't want any 'woke' version.

I wonder what bible the Greek Orthodox use?

I want something heavy, thick leather covers, large print format offers lots of pages- that way it could double as a weapon in case I need to beat a tied up foreign enemy with it. :ROFLMAO:


Everyone's got opinions, here's mine. I'll give credit where it's due. An old Marine Christian pasture Named Arnold Murry hammered the below point home enough that it took root with me.

King James version + Strong's exhaustive concordance. They go together. The KJV is obviously written in English, but original text was not. Some of words don't translate exactly or fully into English. King James set out to do the best translation they could, true to the original text.

The Strong's Allows you to take any verse in the King James and only the Original King James and see what the words meant in the original language they were written in. If one is willing to put in the effort more is revealed.

TLDR version: The King James is not an interpretation, but rather a full bore effort at translation to English the original writings. The Strong's enables one to go even closer to the original source, that's what it is.
 
Y'all are funny, y'all sit here debating the distance, direction, what was on the shooters shirt, how a knee bends, how loud the shot was, whether it was spalling or a bullet that hit his neck, the color T-shirt he had on, the exact positioning of the sun and every other worthless piece of info.....

The facts are:
Charlie Kirk is dead
Some looney killed him
Again, their message is put out while our is silenced.
We went back to work today and life carries on.

When are we taking to the streets
Are we gonna use harsher words next time to "protest".
I mean seriously, is this the game plan for the rest of our lives????

Whether it be a an act of the Jews or just some liberal loon, they know they can have open season on us and we WONT respond.

Doc
 
There is new video showing him jumping off the roof while escaping. It was a fairly good drop. They said the rifle was, "found in a wooded area". How did the rifle get transported from the roof to the wooded area? He obviously wasn't carrying it with him when he left. Something doesn't stack.
 
true but that plays hell with POI depending on torque. that which an ignorant type wouldn't know about. someone with real knowledge or a pro would. doubt a torque wrench was in play. i don't see where this goes. true that i don't see a pro even considering such a wreck. almost like the 2nd Trump deal,a badly moded sks,not even a nice correct original version. just more conflicting and arguable stuff going on.
I never had a torque wrench for my target rifle until about 6 years ago. Also, I have to take my barreled action out of the stock to fit it in my safe. Using the long part of an allen key, I never seemed to be off target even at 1000yrds that could not be explained by the wind.

I don't have the correct bit for my hunting rifle even now and that still shoots point of aim every time. Even after changing stocks.

So, no, not every rifle need to be assembled using a torque wrench.
 
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There is new video showing him jumping off the roof while escaping. It was a fairly good drop. They said the rifle was, "found in a wooded area". How did the rifle get transported from the roof to the wooded area? He obviously wasn't carrying it with him when he left. Something doesn't stack.
I saw the same video, and cannot see a rifle anywhere that looks like the pictures of the rifle supposedly found in the woods. What I'm getting at is the rifle was a full stock, not a folder so I would think the shooter would have had it slung over his shoulder when he made the jump off the roof. I also do not remember seeing a sling in the picture of the "found rifle".
 
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In confusion there is opportunity and that is fact.
One side is laughing & taunting, one side is counter dicking its self, and the people pulling the strings have moved on, to the next phase line. This seems to be the working pattern for the last 30 years,... There are but two ways to break this choke hold,... either don't play the game, or kill it.
 
Dude, I'm trying to be generically informative without getting overly wonky. It's a shooting site not an aviation site. And changing a sqwak to 1200 still provides mode C altitude reporting. Bottom line, there's a completely normal, non-conspiratorial explaination why the transponder MAY have disappeared from flight aware. But a business jet randomly disearing from ATC is going to be noticed. Not exactly a move you make if you're trying to be all spooky

I agree with you. I too am a professional aviator. I just want to ensure the correct information is disseminated.
 
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again i'll agree to disagree.

in the new testament, a messiah comes for anyone that believes, but they did not accept jesus as christ (save a small number, initially).
i would agree with you if they weren't still waiting for the "real one".

In the Old Testament, the chosen people were Israelites (later known as Jews), the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. God chose them to be a special people, set apart to worship Him, to be the nation through whom the Messiah would come, and to be a light to the nations, though they largely failed in their mission to teach others about God

So, you're saying the OT does not reference Christ?

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
 
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The antisemitic crap can get bent unless you have objective evidence. Not hearsay not looks fishy to me BS but actual evidence. Now if you have real evidence then please share I wana share it too.
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This was a Professional hit, perp wore long sleeves to avoid leaving DNA, Cap and glasses to avoid facial recognition. He made sure he didn't touch the hand rails on the way up, used an untraceable old 30-06, moved with purpose to a position that had a narrow window for the shot that had obviously been previously scouted out.

Fired a single round into the Jugular from under 140yds, packed up exited quickly without fanfare. Calmy leapt down from around 9ft with cat like reflexes.

Calmly left the scene and walked downtown discarding the old 30-06 in the forest.

Tell me this he doesn't have Police or military training because all his action show a professional hit.........
 
I think the perp used an AR (short barrel) with folding adapter on the stock in 300 blackout with suppressor. Probably the 110-120 gr class of .30 cal bullets. That way it could be folded into a backpack for exfil. The Mauser found in a wooded area is just a decoy. I'm probably wrong.
 
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hey have superpowers the moment they don a yarmulke.
Yeah
Nothing to do with decades of black mail / honey pot schemes like Epstein’s island
World black mail with their nukes and threats to bomb everyone of their existence is threatened

Nothing to do with being too good to get a moral occupation and instead infiltrating politics the judicial and education systems


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Funny how anyone that goes against them gets assassinated

Funny how they have bought all of Congress with our own money

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I don't think the gun was a Mauser M18
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Looks a hell of a lot like a Kimber Hunter. The barrel profile and stock are a hell of a match. The one pictured below is a long action 30-06
If I'm right, these are not exactly cheap guns. 5lbs 5 oz without scope and they are more accurate than most in this weight class.
Someones daddy is missing his Kimber dear/elk rifle.

Kind of pisses me off that the Feds have the actual gun (allegedly) & claim to want the public's help yet they withhold the actual make/model/caliber. If they gave the public the full info there would be a lot of people checking their closets. Or maybe someone filed a stolen police report etc.
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Same gun as above different pic just to show stock lines from a better side view. In this pic though the above gun has been re-barreled so don't look at that.
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Huh

I’ve seen that rifle and reloading bench before

BigStick? Alaska? Lick windows much?
 
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I raised the question of the suppressor because of the NFA questions.

But early in the thread someone pointed that mic’s don’t pick up (necessarily) large booms that can get filtered out or lost.

And someone here posted that they had relatives at the event and there was a very loud report.

As for some troon doing it on their own? Especially some teen who is mentally ill? They do this sort of thing all the time… mainly in schools.

I do see a conspiracy in creating the environment that winds these mental midgets up and sets them off like semi-guided missiles. It’s called leftism. I do not see a conspiracy organizing this individual act.

And you don’t need one… you wind up tens of thousands of these shitbirds on hundreds of campuses and odds are, they will nail Kirk or Shapiro or Owens or Elder or any one of dozens of other conservatives who speaks on campuses regularly and has been painted as a genocidal fascist.

The “conspiracy” is to create these footsoldiers and when you create enough of them, some are going to go off. Be it burning down cities, shooting people with rifles or stabbing Ukrainians on trains.

This was not a hard act to pull off. Campuses are lax, speakers are soft targets. With published schedules.

It’s not the CIA. It’s not the Mossad. It’s not the Russians. It’s little time bombs that were set loose over the last 9 years to destroy Trump and any vestige of American Normalcy that the “conspirators” aka the American Left… see as a threat to their fundamentally transforming America.

Heck, they have been saying it out loud since 2004 when Howard Dean went off the rails and hijacked the party to turn it into the Democratic Socialists!!! That’s the conspiracy.

Not the addled twerp who pulled the trigger with an adequate-at 200 yards, meters, feet, firkins, furlongs… whatever… deer rifle he probably had in his closet since before he came out of it. It is Utah after all.

Occams Razor pretty much always wins.

But when they find his little queer ass… assuming he did not go miles into the wilderness and off himself, and he turns out to be just another tranny goon… that won’t be good enough and it will have to be some big conspiracy run by Intel pros. Here is some news for you… intelligence professionals don’t hire retards. And they are first and foremost giant ass-covering bureaucracies where nooone is going to sign off on shooting a speaker. And no one will risk their pension or GS13 paygrade and nice office… to go do rogue shit. Or approve rogue shit.

Despite all the Jason Bourne movies… starring an uber-liberal who wants all conservatives dead.

That not how it works… that’s not how any of it works!

Sirhr
I figured you were smarter than this.


Vegas was done by paddock right ?

Butler was just by that kid that was in a blackrock commercial right. ? That being the only live no delay news event was a coincidence right ?

Etc x1000

Ahh Nashville bomber was just some whack job too

Next your tell us there was now election fraud


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We are all just jumping through our asses with speculation based on what tiny bit of video/audio is available.
That includes me because I took it personally that they slaughtered a great Christian that was making a difference on a grand scale.
So I'm as guilty as anybody about speculating on a few things and making baseless wild ass guesses.

That being said, I'm leaning toward thinking that was not an entrance wound in his neck. I'm probably wrong.
I think that is either an exit or a secondary entrance wound from bone ejecting from breast bone or clavicle area. I'm probably wrong.
I still believe the impact was very high chest just left (his left) of the base of the neck. I'm probably wrong.

I've seen projos deviate their track 90 degrees and greater from the direction of entry once inside a body. BTHP and FMJ are particularly squirrely. There is even a documented case of that from a few years ago when an LE sniper made a perfect HR shot and the bullet exited 90 degrees from the direction of entry killing the suspect AND the hostage.

I've also seen bone blown out of a limb or extremity and do massive secondary damage to unprotected soft tissue.

In the scheme of things, it doesn't matter and they may never release those details.

I just hope and pray that they find the actual suspect and do so convincingly so neither you or I have much remaining suspicion. We all need a little shot of confidence in at least part of our system.
I too thought that was the exit wound. And the shot came from left of screen just due to the way he moved and fell when hit. Just my impression.
ETA I never once thought this was a frontal hit until I saw the layout of the AO. If everybody else besides me is right as to the shooter's location then the neck wound would have to the entrance . I based my belief also on how the blood seemed to splatter to the right of screen.
 
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Everyone's got opinions, here's mine. I'll give credit where it's due. An old Marine Christian pasture Named Arnold Murry hammered the below point home enough that it took root with me.

King James version + Strong's exhaustive concordance. They go together. The KJV is obviously written in English, but original text was not. Some of words don't translate exactly or fully into English. King James set out to do the best translation they could, true to the original text.

The Strong's Allows you to take any verse in the King James and only the Original King James and see what the words meant in the original language they were written in. If one is willing to put in the effort more is revealed.

TLDR version: The King James is not an interpretation, but rather a full bore effort at translation to English the original writings. The Strong's enables one to go even closer to the original source, that's what it is.
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Y'all are funny, y'all sit here debating the distance, direction, what was on the shooters shirt, how a knee bends, how loud the shot was, whether it was spalling or a bullet that hit his neck, the color T-shirt he had on, the exact positioning of the sun and every other worthless piece of info.....

The facts are:
Charlie Kirk is dead
Some looney killed him
Again, their message is put out while our is silenced.
We went back to work today and life carries on.

When are we taking to the streets
Are we gonna use harsher words next time to "protest".
I mean seriously, is this the game plan for the rest of our lives????

Whether it be a an act of the Jews or just some liberal loon, they know they can have open season on us and we WONT respond.

Doc
I read this a lot, and hear people say it. I read "is it time yet?" on this board at least once a week! Time for what? Stand in the street and block cars? Hold signs that read what? Start a civil war? Start killing our neighbors, family, co-workers who have differing opinions? Raid the Capital? Stand on a sidewalk and hold a sign? March to our state capital and burn it down? Are we supposed to hang all the members of the Democrat party for public view? What does "Taking to the Streets" mean and what exactly is the goal? Who choses who hangs? Who choses which buildings to burn? I'd love to hear what "Is it time yet" looks like. I'm not interested in commiting violence against people that believe other things than me, they are free to express their opinions and push for laws that express those views and we have all the same rights to do the same.

I bet most here still buy from organizations that support wokeness! You want to make your voice heard in this country. Stop SPENDING your dollars on organization that believe different than you. Stopping the money flow will do more than any killing, civil war, etc!!!! MAKE BETTER FUCKING CHOICES WITH YOUR MONEY! Look at Bud Light, money changed thier mind on a lot of things! If you want to bitch about doing something, start mocking people that give money to wokeness INCLUDING yourself!

I'm saying, get up and get your ass to work, make that FUCKING money, but start thinking REAL HARD about where you spend it! Most here aren't ready to give up comfort.......
 
It should be noted the Utah DPS is asking people not to make presumptions as the investigation continues. However, several people are pointing to a previous leftist LGBTQ+ advocate angrily who debated Charlie Kirk and holds a remarkable similarity to the suspect. WATCH @1:03 prompted:
Attitude, location, physical attributes and ideological motive seem to align with suspect profile.
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https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-charlie-kirk-debate-his-assassin-previously/
 
I agree with you........I dont give two runny shitt what consenting ADULTS do behind closed doors. The problem is thats not enough. They want to indoctrinate our kids and MAKE us be ok with it like its normal. That's where they lost the middle ground folks. Get off my lawn and I'll stay off yours would work for me......it doesn't for them.

It's deeper than some trannies who want to swing their junk in front of Kindergartners...

One of the core principles of the Progressive/Socialist/Communist/Fascist state is the destruction of the nuclear family and the total commitment of everyone to the state. Especially the Children! Because when the 'state' raises them, they belong to the state in body and mind (I won't say soul... because they won't have one they recognize).

This is the meaning of federally/union controlled schools... no different from all education being the responsibility of the Komsomol, the Reich or the People's Republic. It's control of daycare. It's control of all clubs, organizations and youth groups. Within weeks of being handed power, The Austrian Painter took over every organization in Germany... Every one from motorcycle and flying and car clubs (Training a mechanized army), to the Boy Scouts (Hitler Jungen) to gardening clubs and summer camps. They created the KdF organization... Strength through Joy. All vacations were awarded by the state... to KdF camps. The Volkswagen was the KdF Wagen before the war. At its most sick, teenage girls were sent to KdF camps where they were encouraged to breed with 'suitable' young Aryan men... most of whom were future SS.

Meanwhile, 9 year olds were getting medals for reporting on their parents... who were getting sent to Auschwitz or Siberia or simply shot (China) for being wreckers.

You CANNOT do this without destroying family, faith and community and making everyone serve the state.

This is the 'evil' that is happening. It is statism using the mentally-ill as their brownshirt/Red Guard/NKVD footsoldiers. Because we don't have millions of disaffected and hungry trench veterans... who were the original footsoldiers of Communism.

Today's Progressive movement is 100 percent ^^^ This.

And never for a second forged that the Harpy from Hell who helped kick all this off (and called us Depolrables) wrote a book called "It Takes a Village" which was all about how you have to have THE STATE raise your children.

These queers and dick-gobblers and mentally-ill types are a tiny minority in society. But they have been captured by the Democrat Party Communists who recognize that these mental-midgets will do ANYTHING to get attention and recognition and to spread their mental illness (which is mainly being Historioinic -- pathologically attention-seeking -- and they will do anything (and can be made to do anything) that feeds that neurosis.

It's ALL about destroying family, faith and community. And replacing it with a centrally-controlled (global) state run by 'our superiors' who went to Harvard, Yale and Oxford and are, therefore, better than us.

Sirhr
 
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And sadly they've deceived and manipulated many otherwise good and decent Jewish people, not to mention the bulk of 'Christians' to support them.....................

No, they dont. They think they do, but theyhave no concept of the amount of violence that could be unleashed if we're pushed past the breaking point.

I've made the evil man leave my house but he's not far away and I have his address. I can bring him back at a moments notice.

Yeah... wifey keeps the hulk at bey.
She got her work cut out for her at the moment.

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If I put a big red "fact" stamp on my cock and write 8" on it, doesn't make it true.
The lot of you are eager to believe anything you see on the internet. It's like an addiction.

Really... I don't think this was a secret Mossad operation.
Hell, Ben & Dennis were both good buddies of Charlie.
 
There is new video showing him jumping off the roof while escaping. It was a fairly good drop. They said the rifle was, "found in a wooded area". How did the rifle get transported from the roof to the wooded area? He obviously wasn't carrying it with him when he left. Something doesn't stack.
This has already be covered.

He has the rifle on him when he climbs down and yes when he runs off. He manipulated it with his right arm when making his way off the roof.

Look at it frame by frame or in slow moe on a large hi def tv.
 
The poor secret service is going to be banking up some serious overtime now, just investigating all the left-wing nutters all over the place, publicly posting online that the big T should be next. A hell of a lot of nutters just got themselves on the ever-growing federal watch list.
Well, the ones there who don't think he "deserved it."

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Yeah... wifey keeps the hulk at bey.
She got her work cut out for her at the moment.

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Really... I don't think this was a secret Mossad operation.
Hell, Ben & Dennis were both good buddies of Charlie.
Ben had just invite him to travel there, they were friends, allies, on the same team.
 
Just announced that they do have the guy they think is the shooter...

Sirhr

I hope so.

I was hoping to wake up to this news.

I honestly never really listened to Charlie Kirk or consumed any of his stuff. Didn't really know much about him, beyond the fact that he's a conservative commentator that I've seen references to. I'm not a big politics guy. But his assassination has really consumed me. I haven't been able to take my mind off of it.

A murder has never consumed me like this before. I think our country has changed, and probably for the worst. This is a watershed moment, and I fear where it leads us.
 
Lemme just stare right at this camera.
I've seen a hand-threaded bbl that worked plenty good enough for the purpose. It was done with a 1/4"NPT die. A few more pipe fittings were added along with other misc materials for a tube etc. Worked very well for a .22. That was many moons ago, the guy who had it died in an unfortunate maritime accident as he was transporting his material goods across a very large expanse of uncharted waters.
Never underestimate redneck engineering.
I'm a Geneva guy myself. My version was printed in 1613. Tough to read.


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Yeah, that was before King James rewrote it to his liking.
 
I hope so.

I was hoping to wake up to this news.

I honestly never really listened to Charlie Kirk or consumed any of his stuff. Didn't really know much about him, beyond the fact that he's a conservative commentator that I've seen references to. I'm not a big politics guy. But his assassination has really consumed me. I haven't been able to take my mind off of it.

A murder has never consumed me like this before. I think our country has changed, and probably for the worst. This is a watershed moment, and I fear where it leads us.
Don't Fear, come at it from a position of growth, understanding and learning. Make your self stronger, not scared.