Someone murdered Charlie Kirk

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faylix said:
It's definitely possible, he aimed a little higher, 30.06 has a flatter flight path than 223, and the bullet drop just made the round hit the neck instead of the face or chest.
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No one here even knows if the rifle was zeroed plus it's set up like shit.
Only the shooter knows where he aimed, could have been a centre mass shot he fucked up.
30-06 is not necessarily flatter than .223 at 200 yards but it's irrelevant as there is not enough details to go on.
 
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faylix said:
I'm probably the worst shooter here, but in my attempt to understand what happened, I tried to replicate this shot.

Caveats: I know that 30.06 and 77gr smks have different flight paths, I know he was shooting from a downward angle which can cause low hits, etc 10 other things I haven't thought of.

When I first saw it happen I was sure it was a single rifle shot - what I didn't initially understand was why someone would aim for the neck (thinnest / smallest target). I also guessed the round was a 308 (it wasn't, but close enough). A human head is about 8" tall on average, if someone aimed right between the eyes (body armor, no formal training) I loaded up my Hornady app and 4doff and I figured that a regular 762 drops about 5" at 200 yards.

So my initial guess was that the shooter aimed at his head (or his mouth) and didn't account for bullet drop and the round impacted in the clavicle (about 5" low) and the spall from the armor hit (likely some kind of steel plate with no kevlar backing or rhino liner / spall control) his carotid artery.

So I setup a man shaped target at 200 yards, with a 20" barrel and 77gr OTMs, zero'd for 100 yards and aimed right at the center of the head.
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The impacts were almost exactly where you see in the video:

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Dont mind the follow up shots at the two small targets, those (poor) shots were me later trying to actually figure out my 200 yard hold over.

The vast majority of shots group up perfectly in the (shooters) right clavicle - right where the initial impact appear to be. Rounds impacting shaped body armor right there with no spall control could absolutely result in spall impacting the carotid artery - which is what I saw on the close up video.

Note: I mourn the death of Charlie Kirk, I hate that politics has gotten to this point. I think the us vs them mentality is the strongest best attack anyone has ever used against America and the only way we could be defeated or marginalized is by our own internal strife.

I didn't do this (admittedly poorly conducted) experiment out of sick fascination - I just wanted to understand what happened and verify the facts for myself.

I now believe that almost anyone with moderate firearms experience on a flat range and a little luck could have made this shot. There is nothing special about zero'ing for 100 yards, putting the crosshairs on someone's face, and squeezing the trigger. The idea that this shot required some kind of pro is laughable in hindsight.

The infil/successful exfil is what made me think this was the work of a zealot and not a crazy - and the fact we only got him so fast because his dad turned him in supports this.

Also, trying to blame Israel / the Mossad / Jews for this one is pretty thin and beneath most of you.

Charlie was a friend to us.

Regards,
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Only armor he was wearing was the armor of god. As pointed out, You can see his nipple through a shirt

Also, unless the shooter testified where he aimed, I’d be Leary of any theories of POA. We have no idea where it was zero’d, what projectile was used, wind direction, how the rifle was held and all other sorts of factors the would effect point of impact. So while I can understand some discussion on it, its only natural people want to grasp what happened. Unless you know, I’d be cautious with those assertions.
 
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Eostech said:
No one here even knows if the rifle was zeroed plus it's set up like shit.
Only the shooter knows where he aimed, could have been a centre mass shot he fucked up.
30-06 is not necessarily flatter than .223 at 200 yards but it's irrelevant as there is not enough details to go on.All true, I think I made that pretty clear that my test was not scientific or dispositive in any way.. just trying to use Occam's razor and a little self testing to verify what could have happened and if my theory held any water.
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I think I was clear, but just in case I don't think my test was scientific or dispositive at all. Just an attempt to understand what happened and to see if my theory held water.

Again this was conducted when all we had was the initial video, didn't know distance, and people were trying to say it was some kind of professional hit from (insert intelligence agency here).

I just wanted to know what kind of level of proficiency would be required to make a shot like this and if I could explain the neck hit - which seemed like a really unlikely place to aim.
 
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BurtG said:
What do you have to say about the Jew that said I did it and provided the shooter cover for escape ?

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He's a known, leftist kook, and has been forever. He is being prosecuted for obstruction of justice and will probably serve time in prison, if he doesn't get an Obama judge, for it. He may be ethnically Jewish, but I doubt his goes to Synagogue, studies Torah, and I'll bet you a Blizzard he an "Anit-Zionist", which almost all leftist "Jews" are.
 
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WeR0206 said:
The notion that “its both sides” is also not even close…

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So when the long list was posted of 'political violence' I was trying to rack my brain for an example of right wing assassination in the US. We should be balanced after all.

I was sure that John Wayne Gacy (not political... he killed and/or ate people on both sides) was a Republican and had been photographed with Reagan or something. Nope, I was wrong. He was a hard-core Democrat and actually got photographed at a Rally with Rosalyn Carter (he had the picture hanging in his house) and it was a big embarrasment to the USSS and Carter! So much for that one.

So it came to me last night that the only political assassiniation I can think of by a right wing person or group was the killing of Alan Berg, a Chicago talk radio host. This was committed by a group called 'The Order' which gunned him down. I also remember a group called the Covenent, Sword and Arm of the Lord based out of Arkansas. But they were more in the Christian Separatist mold. But IIRC, they were committing robberies and stealing cash and guns for possible offensive operations later. They got taken down in a (peaceful) Siege by the FBI HRT which talked the leadership out of the compound with no shots fired. But were heavily armed.

So there 'have' been instances of violence by genuine right-wing/Christian identity nutballs. Who are no better than Red Guard Socialist nutballs. The common factor being that at a certain point of zealotry, they all turn into nutballs. So, as always, we need nutball control.

Just posting in the interest of 'actual' historical balance and accuracy. Realistically, there have been periods when groups in the USA posed armed (insurrectionest) violent threats. Bleeding Kansas. John Brown (The Spark that set off the Civil War). The Red Riots of the 1920's. The Black Panther Party (more of a black separatist group... not looking for an insurrection... looking to turn inward and promote a strong independent black presence in America... which LBJ and Hoover thought terrifying.) The Survivalist, white power and militia movements of the '70's (Skokie trial and march) that went away when the economy took off like a rocket. And now the American Socialist movement that is our current violent insurrectionest threat. The biggest difference today is that the Socialist movement is DEEPLY embedded in government and institutions and media and is funded at a level that is mind-boggling.

Just going all 'historian' because I hate having an historical itch I can't scratch. By all means, add additional examples beyond my one (two). Because I am sure I missed some.

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
So when the long list was posted of 'political violence' I was trying to rack my brain for an example of right wing assassination in the US. We should be balanced after all.

I was sure that John Wayne Gacy (not political... he killed and/or ate people on both sides) was a Republican and had been photographed with Reagan or something. Nope, I was wrong. He was a hard-core Democrat and actually got photographed at a Rally with Rosalyn Carter (he had the picture hanging in his house) and it was a big embarrasment to the USSS and Carter! So much for that one.

So it came to me last night that the only political assassiniation I can think of by a right wing person or group was the killing of Alan Berg, a Chicago talk radio host. This was committed by a group called 'The Order' which gunned him down. I also remember a group called the Covenent, Sword and Arm of the Lord based out of Arkansas. But they were more in the Christian Separatist mold. But IIRC, they were committing robberies and stealing cash and guns for possible offensive operations later. They got taken down in a (peaceful) Siege by the FBI HRT which talked the leadership out of the compound with no shots fired. But were heavily armed.

So there 'have' been instances of violence by genuine right-wing/Christian identity nutballs. Who are no better than Red Guard Socialist nutballs. The common factor being that at a certain point of zealotry, they all turn into nutballs. So, as always, we need nutball control.

Just posting in the interest of 'actual' historical balance and accuracy. Realistically, there have been periods when groups in the USA posed armed (insurrectionest) violent threats. Bleeding Kansas. John Brown (The Spark that set off the Civil War). The Red Riots of the 1920's. The Black Panther Party (more of a black separatist group... not looking for an insurrection... looking to turn inward and promote a strong independent black presence in America... which LBJ and Hoover thought terrifying.) The Survivalist, white power and militia movements of the '70's (Skokie trial and march) that went away when the economy took off like a rocket. And now the American Socialist movement that is our current violent insurrectionest threat. The biggest difference today is that the Socialist movement is DEEPLY embedded in government and institutions and media and is funded at a level that is mind-boggling.

Just going all 'historian' because I hate having an historical itch I can't scratch. By all means, add additional examples beyond my one (two). Because I am sure I missed some.

Sirhr
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The bombing of the Houston Public Radio Station.

When the KKK bombed a Houston Radio Station… Twice!​

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2023年10月11日 — The Houston radio station KPFT (90.1) was bombed not once, but twice in 1970 shortly after they began broadcasting.
 
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WeR0206 said:
If he wasn’t wearing plates what’s the explanation of what’s going on with his shirt getting stretched almost to his ear lobe as the bullet hits? Also at 8:30 you can see an object flying through the air coming from Charlie’s right…wtf is that?

Plates wouldn’t necessarily cover his nipple depending on the size. But if it did hit a plate why is there no mark on the white tee shirt?



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Lol wtf is this

I watched the video of him being shot and it’s obvious it comes from the front

This tinfoil shit isn’t helping at all
 
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Defiantly_Not_Bender said:
And the jet. ADS-B being off with timing is weird especially with owners and who he was associated with. Who TF uses a jet on a tiny flight like that except on extream time sensitive stuff?
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Or a Functional Check Flight (FCF)… or had a malfunction and had to RTB, or the owner forgot something important and returned, or they simply transitioned to VFR, or any number of other normal reasons why an aircraft would do what that one did.

I really wish people would stop posting shit that isn’t related to Charlie’s murder in here…there are enough legitimate conspiracies to keep everyone busy, and honestly don’t need to keep muddying up the waters with crap like this unless some legitimate connection is shown.

Just my $0.02
 
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WeR0206 said:
If he wasn’t wearing plates what’s the explanation of what’s going on with his shirt getting stretched almost to his ear lobe as the bullet hits? Also at 8:30 you can see an object flying through the air coming from Charlie’s right…wtf is that?

Plates wouldn’t necessarily cover his nipple depending on the size. But if it did hit a plate why is there no mark on the white tee shirt?



Here’s another look at the object in the air:
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I'm still dubious on the armor skip, hopefully the coroner report will clarify it.

The distance was ~135 yards not 200. Here is a video with typical .30-06 hunting ammo in gel at 100 yards.



The movement is violent, same as seen in the video and pics. The bulk of the energy and cavity would have still been dumped within his neck.
FWIW in one of the clearer videos from his left side there was what appeared to be a small exit wound on the side of the neck. Yeah it could have been blood spray but it seemed to appear before the gusher did.

I agree that shape(s) seen under the shirt are odd.
 
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WeR0206 said:
There’s a YouTube channel that tested to see if a 50 caliber bullet flying through the air would disturb a pile of flour a few inches away and some balloons and it barely did anything
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It varies a lot. I've shot stuff that you'd think would get rocked but just put a nice hole in and out, and i've shot stuff that blew off the table 6ft into the air. The amount of energy is amazing, its just chance or a guess if the energy will be transferred. A piece of paper for example. Sometimes its a nice hole, and sometimes its bigger and jagged. No one knows what grain bullet he used or its design so its velocity, weight, energy is all a guess.
 
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Snuby642 said:
Get some.

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A lot of the shit that's happening right now is because of his groups funding liberal DAs, liberal college groups, liberal political candidates. Go after him and his POS kid take away their money make it impossible for them to fundraise.
 
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BCP said:
A lot of the shit that's happening right now is because of his groups funding liberal DAs, liberal college groups, liberal political candidates. Go after him and his POS kid take away their money make it impossible for them to fundraise.
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Nope, he subverted the US, and many warned about him for years upon years to no avail. Erase him, his kid, followers, helpers & appointees, apply their funds & assets to the national debt they helped, deepen w/their agendas.
 
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I fully believe that DJT has known all this for many years, how could any criticly thinking adult not?

This political assassination has hopefully set his Presidential ass on fire.

I think he is smart enough to use the political Tide to avenge Charlie Kirk's assassination and stop the orginised and well funded destruction of our beloved country.
 
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Samuel Whittemore said:
I still.hold hope theres a way back from the edge... conflict is exactly what the 'overkeepers' want

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Oh it’s coming alright. And it’s gonna be a whole lot worse that some left vs right thing.. when that time comes, all them pallets of ammo won’t mean a lick..

 
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Defiantly_Not_Bender said:
I guess if it were a fmj. A soft point would have been devastating.

The video shows the suspect jumping off the roof. No rifle. Then leaves it behind? Plus the way the scope is mounted, a non braked 30-06 light hunting rifle has a LOT of recoil. That scope would have bit him hard and left a bruise, if not a black eye.

And the jet. ADS-B being off with timing is weird especially with owners and who he was associated with. Who TF uses a jet on a tiny flight like that except on extream time sensitive stuff?
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You are looking at shitty, compressed footage. There is HD footage that shows everything as reported clearly.
 
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Snuby642 said:
I fully believe that DJT has known all this for many years, how could any criticly thinking adult not?

This political assassination has hopefully set his Presidential ass on fire.

I think he is smart enough to use the political Tide to avenge Charlie Kirk's assassination and stop the orginised and well funded destruction of our beloved country.
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i think there is more serious talk about revising/restoring the smith-mundt act and perhaps renaming it after charlie.
 
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theLBC said:
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To me, it seems obvious, but I don't see it actually spoken about very much.

That is, you look at what Charlie was trying to accomplish and what he had accomplished and you compare that to what the liberals have done and are doing and it becomes very clear who the force of good is.

In the days since his death, based on what I am seeing, I have become very optimistic that his death will serve to hyper energize the right, to welcome newcomers and particularly those that have become disillusioned with the left.

Not only will Charlie have NOT died in vain, his death will serve as a huge catalyst for many good things to come for a very, very long time.
 
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