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I think we're going to get a GSD for the family. Not 100% decided yet, but close.
- By AmmoFort
- The Bear Pit
- 218 Replies
When I was really young before my parents divorced I had a Samoyed and a GSD. I was told they were stolen, but who knows what that means. I always suspected they developed some sort of problems and unfortunately took bullets. After that we had a blue heeler and then mutts. One of the mutts was GSD and I'm pretty sure heeler. We grew up in town and had a okay sized yard, but not enough room for the 3 dogs that we would have at a time. None of them ever received any real training. But we never had any problems with them.
Roommates had dogs later in life, but I didn't make any forays back into dog owning until I met my wife. She had miniature dogs which was a trip to me. Loved them. When we moved to Montana we gave our last inherited mini barker to a friend before we left (had to move into to a rental for a while). My children have been begging for a new pooch for the last 2+ years. Been talking about it the whole time off and on, just trying to figure out the best timing, and we're finally just going to say fuck it and hit send.
Some folks up the valley from us that we know breed GSD's. They have a young family as well and they say the dogs fit in with their family perfectly. So all good on that point. My wife had an Airedale when she was young, but most of her dogs have been tiny little yip yaps. We have 4 children: about 8 months, almost 3 years, 5, and 8. I've impressed upon my wife that she and the girls will have to train the dog/s. The way I figure it is I will have my 2 daughters (8 and 5) do the bulk of the training during the week. I'll quietly coach them while they relay to the dog. Then the wife will mix in on weekends, maybe walks at night when she can swing it. I just want to avoid a situation where the dog only wants to listen to Dad.
I'm not too awful worried about any serious training. I just want the dog to protect my children. That is the main goal of bringing the dog into our family in both mine and Momma's eyes. We live on the edge of the Bitterroot National Forest and the forest comes right up to our property. A month or so ago I finally parked on the other side of the valley and showed my wife where we live. I said "you see that range? That's all National forest and the animals that own it. You see that spot there on the edge of the trees? That's us. Of course the animals can go wherever they want and people spot them in the valley all the time. But babe, all they do is walk out of the woods into the land that I cleared and they are right there with us." Finally fucking clicked for her. Derp.
We have 10 acres that we plan to make a small homestead out of eventually, but it has been pretty slow going. I'm doing the best I can, but it's a lot for one guy to do on raw land with a young family. The likelihood of a wild critter attacking my people is probably lower than them having to dirt nap a rabid satanic commie fuck sometime in their lives, but I'd still like them to have an edge if the need ever arose. And that's where the GSD comes in. We both like the idea of a Great Pyrenees, and we'll probably add one later when appropriate, but I think starting with a GSD might work out better for us.
I'm really just looking for some GSD love and confirmation, but give me what ya got. And if anyone has any dog training tips videos, books, you name it I'd appreciate them.
ETA: Just brought him home.
Roommates had dogs later in life, but I didn't make any forays back into dog owning until I met my wife. She had miniature dogs which was a trip to me. Loved them. When we moved to Montana we gave our last inherited mini barker to a friend before we left (had to move into to a rental for a while). My children have been begging for a new pooch for the last 2+ years. Been talking about it the whole time off and on, just trying to figure out the best timing, and we're finally just going to say fuck it and hit send.
Some folks up the valley from us that we know breed GSD's. They have a young family as well and they say the dogs fit in with their family perfectly. So all good on that point. My wife had an Airedale when she was young, but most of her dogs have been tiny little yip yaps. We have 4 children: about 8 months, almost 3 years, 5, and 8. I've impressed upon my wife that she and the girls will have to train the dog/s. The way I figure it is I will have my 2 daughters (8 and 5) do the bulk of the training during the week. I'll quietly coach them while they relay to the dog. Then the wife will mix in on weekends, maybe walks at night when she can swing it. I just want to avoid a situation where the dog only wants to listen to Dad.
I'm not too awful worried about any serious training. I just want the dog to protect my children. That is the main goal of bringing the dog into our family in both mine and Momma's eyes. We live on the edge of the Bitterroot National Forest and the forest comes right up to our property. A month or so ago I finally parked on the other side of the valley and showed my wife where we live. I said "you see that range? That's all National forest and the animals that own it. You see that spot there on the edge of the trees? That's us. Of course the animals can go wherever they want and people spot them in the valley all the time. But babe, all they do is walk out of the woods into the land that I cleared and they are right there with us." Finally fucking clicked for her. Derp.
We have 10 acres that we plan to make a small homestead out of eventually, but it has been pretty slow going. I'm doing the best I can, but it's a lot for one guy to do on raw land with a young family. The likelihood of a wild critter attacking my people is probably lower than them having to dirt nap a rabid satanic commie fuck sometime in their lives, but I'd still like them to have an edge if the need ever arose. And that's where the GSD comes in. We both like the idea of a Great Pyrenees, and we'll probably add one later when appropriate, but I think starting with a GSD might work out better for us.
I'm really just looking for some GSD love and confirmation, but give me what ya got. And if anyone has any dog training tips videos, books, you name it I'd appreciate them.
ETA: Just brought him home.
Firearms Staccato P Duo w/ DPP
- By 300zx_tt
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 16 Replies
Hey all, looking to sell a Staccato P DUO with a Leupold Delta point pro. Comes with 9 mags… 6-20’s and 3-17’s also have 2 LAS holsters that come with it.
Gun is in good shape, hardly any wear on it.
The only reason I’m selling is to pick up an Atlas… wont need both.
Looking for $3,100 shipped. Located in PA
Would also consider trades
Mainly looking for trades plus cash, I’d consider a bunch of different stuff, pistols, revolvers, AR-15’s, rimfire set ups, .223 B/A’s or complete rifles maybe a 6.5/7prc set up. Would also consider straight up trades. Interested in lots of random shit so just shoot me a PM
PM with any questions or if you have anything you’re wanting to trade
Gun is in good shape, hardly any wear on it.
The only reason I’m selling is to pick up an Atlas… wont need both.
Looking for $3,100 shipped. Located in PA
Would also consider trades
Mainly looking for trades plus cash, I’d consider a bunch of different stuff, pistols, revolvers, AR-15’s, rimfire set ups, .223 B/A’s or complete rifles maybe a 6.5/7prc set up. Would also consider straight up trades. Interested in lots of random shit so just shoot me a PM
PM with any questions or if you have anything you’re wanting to trade
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Poll
Rifle Scopes Is there a market for a good MPVO
- By Glassaholic
- Observation & Sighting Devices
- 169 Replies
Think of this thread as a petition to manufacturers to show there is serious interest in this type of scope if done right.
First I think we need to define what an MPVO is so we don't confuse this with a crossover scope or a hunting scope et al. The term MPVO is a natural progression of the term LPVO which stands for Low Powered Variable Optic and traditionally the "low" has been referred to as 1x. What are LPVO scopes designed for, by and large, the gas gun platform especially with the AR being America's most popular sporting rifle. But maybe you've discovered that while your beloved 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO is amazing in its own right, it struggles a bit with longer range engagements and PID. You might also have caught on to the trend of piggybacking or offsetting a RDS sight and recognizing the advantages this brings. The MPVO then becomes a natural progression of the LPVO that fills the gap between the LPVO and the Crossover style scope with the "M" standing for "medium" and thus medium powered variable optic and along with a piggyback/offset RDS bridges the gap nicely.
So here are my thoughts on what would make an effective MPVO:
Share your thoughts and ideas...
UPDATE 02/20/2025:
Okay, after almost 1 week we have 154 entries into the poll.
For political polls they are often using a sample polling size of about 2000 to 3000 people to represent the 150,000,000 people who vote in our country. Let's take the high number of 3000, that is just 0.00002 of the people represented which if I have my numbers right means the 154 respondents above represent 7,700,000 shooters (that's right, almost 8 million shooters
, that is if I did my math correctly which was never my strong suit).
So according to the above numbers, manufacturers take notice, that means that 42% would like to see a 2-12x42 scope that fits the MPVO criteria laid out in the OP above, or put another way, 3,249,400 (three million two hundred and fifty thousand) shooters are interested in an MPVO done right.
Let's be clear once again and I'll start by stating what an MPVO is not, an MPVO IS NOT a crossover scope (though it could be used for crossover applications on a hunting rifle that is also used for long range steel shooting). An MPVO IS the next evolutionary step from an LPVO and is intended first and foremost for the gas gun crowd; therefore, it cannot have a higher bottom magnification than 2.5x (any higher puts it into the crossover category). An MPVO serves as an alternative to the limitations of the LPVO for PID and longer distance engagements while still maintaining a lighter weight, this is a short/compact FFP scope with parallax adjustment, lower profile exposed elevation turret (locking ideal), bright illumination and most importantly a reticle that works for quick engagements at the bottom magnification with a mrad hash option that works at higher magnifications for longer distance engagements.
By the way, this was meant to be somewhat in jest with the above numbers, we understand that polling can be a bit skewed (especially when they focus in the wrong area to represent a fair demographic) but it does help to understand a sampling of interest from a community.
UPDATE 03/03/2025:
Okay, we are just over two weeks into the poll and at 185 total votes; however, with 30 some more votes than last week, we went from 42.2% to 41.6%, so rounding shows we are staying at a steady 42% for the 2-12x42. Hopefully this gives manufacturers something meaningful to chew on and consider. The next higher percentage below is from the "I don't care" crowd who just want something with a better reticle in a FFP scope - something that works well at bottom magnification and at top and the third highest percentage is what I would call a hybrid between a crossover and an MPVO with the 2.5-15x44. Unfortunately, it takes at least a couple years to flush out a design, what we need is a good LOW 2-12x42 design that other manufacturers can OEM and put in their reticles (reticles designed for MPVO/crossover) and their turrets (lower profile).
We are now just over a month in and the numbers are holding pretty steady. We have about 15% increase in votes (from above) but the 2-12x42 remains the top option with the next top being the "just make the reticle right" crowd.
First I think we need to define what an MPVO is so we don't confuse this with a crossover scope or a hunting scope et al. The term MPVO is a natural progression of the term LPVO which stands for Low Powered Variable Optic and traditionally the "low" has been referred to as 1x. What are LPVO scopes designed for, by and large, the gas gun platform especially with the AR being America's most popular sporting rifle. But maybe you've discovered that while your beloved 1-8 or 1-10 LPVO is amazing in its own right, it struggles a bit with longer range engagements and PID. You might also have caught on to the trend of piggybacking or offsetting a RDS sight and recognizing the advantages this brings. The MPVO then becomes a natural progression of the LPVO that fills the gap between the LPVO and the Crossover style scope with the "M" standing for "medium" and thus medium powered variable optic and along with a piggyback/offset RDS bridges the gap nicely.
So here are my thoughts on what would make an effective MPVO:
- FFP design with generous FOV (EDIT and adjustable parallax
- Above 1x and no more than 2.5x on the bottom of the magnification range (anything more and we get into the Crossover market)
- At least 10x top magnification
- Lighter weight, preferably under 25oz
- No more than 12" long because this needs to also work for the night hunters using thermal clip-ons
- Low profile exposed turrets (remember we might be piggybacking an RDS and need to be able to see the dot)
- Capped windage
- Given that in general larger objective scopes weigh more, probably keep the objective below 50mm
- Must have a reticle that is usable for fast and close engagements at the bottom of the mag range (think of most LPVO style reticles) but also work at the top mag ranges (so a hybrid of both LPVO and long range FFP reticle).
- EDIT: Excellent illumination would be a plus, center daylight bright.
Share your thoughts and ideas...
UPDATE 02/20/2025:
Okay, after almost 1 week we have 154 entries into the poll.
For political polls they are often using a sample polling size of about 2000 to 3000 people to represent the 150,000,000 people who vote in our country. Let's take the high number of 3000, that is just 0.00002 of the people represented which if I have my numbers right means the 154 respondents above represent 7,700,000 shooters (that's right, almost 8 million shooters
, that is if I did my math correctly which was never my strong suit).So according to the above numbers, manufacturers take notice, that means that 42% would like to see a 2-12x42 scope that fits the MPVO criteria laid out in the OP above, or put another way, 3,249,400 (three million two hundred and fifty thousand) shooters are interested in an MPVO done right.
Let's be clear once again and I'll start by stating what an MPVO is not, an MPVO IS NOT a crossover scope (though it could be used for crossover applications on a hunting rifle that is also used for long range steel shooting). An MPVO IS the next evolutionary step from an LPVO and is intended first and foremost for the gas gun crowd; therefore, it cannot have a higher bottom magnification than 2.5x (any higher puts it into the crossover category). An MPVO serves as an alternative to the limitations of the LPVO for PID and longer distance engagements while still maintaining a lighter weight, this is a short/compact FFP scope with parallax adjustment, lower profile exposed elevation turret (locking ideal), bright illumination and most importantly a reticle that works for quick engagements at the bottom magnification with a mrad hash option that works at higher magnifications for longer distance engagements.
By the way, this was meant to be somewhat in jest with the above numbers, we understand that polling can be a bit skewed (especially when they focus in the wrong area to represent a fair demographic) but it does help to understand a sampling of interest from a community.
UPDATE 03/03/2025:
Okay, we are just over two weeks into the poll and at 185 total votes; however, with 30 some more votes than last week, we went from 42.2% to 41.6%, so rounding shows we are staying at a steady 42% for the 2-12x42. Hopefully this gives manufacturers something meaningful to chew on and consider. The next higher percentage below is from the "I don't care" crowd who just want something with a better reticle in a FFP scope - something that works well at bottom magnification and at top and the third highest percentage is what I would call a hybrid between a crossover and an MPVO with the 2.5-15x44. Unfortunately, it takes at least a couple years to flush out a design, what we need is a good LOW 2-12x42 design that other manufacturers can OEM and put in their reticles (reticles designed for MPVO/crossover) and their turrets (lower profile).
We are now just over a month in and the numbers are holding pretty steady. We have about 15% increase in votes (from above) but the 2-12x42 remains the top option with the next top being the "just make the reticle right" crowd.
SOLD Dependabilt SideTrak Weights: AI Keyslot (AT-X)
- By Mozak
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 0 Replies
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Firearms Sig 220 Elite SAO 10mm--UPDATE NEW pricing options.
- By kenner
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 40 Replies
Awesome suppressor muzzle brake front end attachment by Recoilx
- By Huskydriver
- The Armory
- 306 Replies
Shot a match with the owner of recoilx this past fall where he had one of his prototype units and it caught my interest. I had a chance to buy a unit this last week and took it up for some testing.
Overall it performs really well... obviously slight noise penalty but very effective. I felt like it was pretty close to the best of both worlds between shooting fully suppressed vs just a brake only.
I was able to stay on target in the glass through the full recoil off a few positions and can't wait to try it on a bigger 30 cal soon.
I was using a silencerco hybrid 46 with their 30 cal self timing brake.
On a gas gun 223 it had noticably less back pressure than just my front end cap alone which I thought was interesting.
Seems like a legit option for those of us with cans already vs buying something like the maverick straight up. I have been primarily shooting a tbac can but will probably run a can with a Recoilx brake on it this season.
Not affiliated in anyway with recoilx but I think the owner is a stand up guy from my interactions with him and I like supporting solid products from good folks.
@RecoilXBrakes
Overall it performs really well... obviously slight noise penalty but very effective. I felt like it was pretty close to the best of both worlds between shooting fully suppressed vs just a brake only.
I was able to stay on target in the glass through the full recoil off a few positions and can't wait to try it on a bigger 30 cal soon.
I was using a silencerco hybrid 46 with their 30 cal self timing brake.
On a gas gun 223 it had noticably less back pressure than just my front end cap alone which I thought was interesting.
Seems like a legit option for those of us with cans already vs buying something like the maverick straight up. I have been primarily shooting a tbac can but will probably run a can with a Recoilx brake on it this season.
Not affiliated in anyway with recoilx but I think the owner is a stand up guy from my interactions with him and I like supporting solid products from good folks.
@RecoilXBrakes
Firearms Noveske N6 Gen 4 Leonidas 12.5" 6.5 Creedmoor Pistol
- By zekers7
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 0 Replies
XM7 worries from the field.
- By Terry Cross
- Semi-Automatic Rifles
- 23 Replies
Plenty if XM7s getting issued and legit complaints surfacing.
Army dude tried to document a few things. Sig is dismissive and condescending.
Interesting read.
www.twz.com
Army dude tried to document a few things. Sig is dismissive and condescending.
Interesting read.
Army Captain Slams New XM7 Rifle As "Unfit," Sig Sauer Says Otherwise
The infantry officer and Expeditionary Warfare School student presented his findings, which lambasted the new rifle for its ergonomics, weight, and durability.
www.twz.com
Firearms now $325 shipped Savage Model 11 for AR upper parts
- By AnglerDown
- Buy - Sell - Trade
- 9 Replies
Excellent condition savage model 11 in 223. Has the Savage.AccuStock with a chassis bedding block
savagearms.com
$325 shipped
AccuStock | Performance Innovation
AccuStock is an aluminum rail system embedded in the forend of the stock that three-dimensionally engages the stock along its entire length providing rigidity.
$325 shipped
