If you don’t go in to pick up the first the 2nd one will NEVER come in. Go in today to pick up the 1st and the 2nd one will come in tomorrow! (One of Murphy’s rules I think)
That is a true story. Never fails. Picked up part of my venison processing and 3 days later they call me to pick up the other half.
My 6/2 pending was approved on Monday 
. 270 days on the dot.
.... Abolish the ATF
. 270 days on the dot..... Abolish the ATF
Didn't expect the early June ones quite this soon. I've got a 6/6 I'm waiting on that's only 1k control numbers away from PGreen's. Figured it would be another couple weeks but maybe I'll get a nice surprise.
Does it seem like the increase in approval times is leveling off? Or am I just being hopeful? haha.
I am filing my form4 in the next day or two, so will let you know if it shortens….hahaha
Submission Date: 06/07/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Today 13:44
20225520xx
Picked it up at 15:35
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Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Today 13:44
20225520xx
Picked it up at 15:35
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Woohoo!
I got my first (of five) cleared.
Apparently, they still are not performing batch approvals because all five of mine were certified same date thanks to one of several SS errors that didn't get cleared in a timely manner.
Anyways, the good stuff:
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: CGS Hydra SS
Wait: 267 Days
...Now I just need a host. I'm Thinking something along the lines of a Ruger Mark IV Target or Tactical... Decisions, decisions...
I got my first (of five) cleared.
Apparently, they still are not performing batch approvals because all five of mine were certified same date thanks to one of several SS errors that didn't get cleared in a timely manner.
Anyways, the good stuff:
Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: CGS Hydra SS
Wait: 267 Days
...Now I just need a host. I'm Thinking something along the lines of a Ruger Mark IV Target or Tactical... Decisions, decisions...
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I have a pair of Mark IV Lites w/sparrows. Son-in-law has the same setup. We shoot comps at my range. Great gun to consider.
Nice to see the control numbers rising.
Based upon my calcs earlier this week and control numbers approved yesterday, looks like they are getting through about 5400 control numbers a day.
Looking at me personally, that would bring review time to around 260-264 days now
I submitted three form 4's together with a trust (the same trust). I got one of them approved yesterday, but the other two have not shown up yet.
Permit/Control No: 20225448XX
Submission Date: 06-03-22
Approved Date: 03-02-23
Days: 273
Permit/Control No: 20225448XX
Submission Date: 06-03-22
Approved Date: 03-02-23
Days: 273
Submitted on 5/25/22, approved 3/4/23. Took a bit longer than the last one purchased 10 days prior.
They’re gonna have to prove it to me that they can do it first. One can hope but high hopes? Nah!
Where do you find the control number, I ordered from silencer central and they never emailed me anything and they don’t show any control number on the account section of the site only email I get is every 2 months them saying the atf is still working towards my application.
Based on the fact that everybody is getting theirs right around that 270-275 day mark, it makes me think that is intentional. If it was truly based off demand, I think we would see that number changing but it seems to be about the same for the last few months.
Here’s something that has never happened a true eform batch approval of 20 cans! This occurred yesterday, March 6th, longest wait in the group is 262 days down to 12 days. It has been verified by the moderator of the subreddit. Very detailed post with no special circumstances. Simply incredible… 
(See attachment at the bottom of this post).
(See attachment at the bottom of this post).Attachments
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Oh, and all 20 individual stamp emails were received in just under two hours or on average, one approval every six minutes. Stunning.
Nothing more to add, just wanted to be the 10,000th post! 
This batch approval is what I've been waiting for from the beginning and have complained to my congressman and senator about for a 9 months now.
In an electronic system, there's no way this SHOULDN'T be the case everytime.
Your turn comes in the wait list, your background check comes through and gets applied to all of your pending forms and they get approved.
Hopefully this is the case for everyone going forward
I hope that you are right, but I think it could be more related to the unusually high number of NFA items in the system for this person. Is it setup to flag a certain number of pending items over 8, 10 or 15 and then they are all brought to the attention of a single examiner for batch approval? Perhaps so.
If you go to that subreddit thread, the person approved mentions it could be about an “audit from the ATF,” that he seems to indicate could occur from this group of approvals and that he is familiar with some of the agents and “knows them by name” as he had encounters with them in the past. So, he’s approved now for 20 NFA items and from what I read in the thread, it seems he has many other NFA items. Maybe ATF pays a visit to persons approved of a high number of NFA items in a short period of time. The guy mentions he is in Houston.
What is for sure is the whole process is opaque.
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It definitely seems like it could be a unique situation (hopefully not) as that guy has $4000 in just stamps, probably tens of thousands more in the items themselves.
if the guy is on their radar, knows agents by name, why would they approve his stuff to go "audit" him.
Hes a private citizen and not an FFL/SOT or he wouldnt be in the form 4 game.
if the ATF wants a piece of him, they would flag his form 4s for a hold or deny outright, then go knock on his door.
approving them all and then go knock on his door makes no sense at all.
Are you aware that if you buy two or more handguns within seven days, that triggers the requirement the FFL licensee must send a copy of the transaction to the ATF and local law enforcement? Perhaps, if someone would buy 10 handguns in seven days they might decide to pay that person a visit as a precaution to get a read on that person.
I don’t think the issue would be that he is on the ATF radar because he has done something wrong, but rather buying 20 NFA items is something unusual and an outlier. If he had done something wrong, he wouldn’t be buying firearms, much less NFA items. ATF may have protocols that when something like this happens they go visit the individual to get a feel for the person.
The only other thing that comes to mind is maybe he does indeed have an FFL/SOT, but these 20 items are obviously for him personally. Maybe the guy is rich and at times he buys a high number of NFA items like this and the ATF decided in the past to pay the guy a visit and audit his FFL/SOT business while there. If an audit happened in the past due to an unusual circumstance such as at present, it would explain why he is inclined to think it might happen again.
I know my local FFL/SOT told me when he had his recent audit from the ATF, the guy flew in from TX as they didn’t have anyone locally. Compare that to Houston that likely has an ATF field office in the area, so if they decide to audit/visit someone like this maybe it‘s a 20 minute drive for example, and no big deal for them or the person getting the visit because they are in a large city to begin with.
Submitted and In Progress: 03/06/2023
Permit #: 202340665X
This is so frustrating. I did an eForm with a trust, this is my 9th time through the process and I'm thinking 274 days but unsure if braces will introduce a wildcard. I had to renew my LEOSA last week, went to an FBI channeler and had my approved results in the time it took me to drive home. /weakrantoff
Permit #: 202340665X
This is so frustrating. I did an eForm with a trust, this is my 9th time through the process and I'm thinking 274 days but unsure if braces will introduce a wildcard. I had to renew my LEOSA last week, went to an FBI channeler and had my approved results in the time it took me to drive home. /weakrantoff
The guy with the 20 could have bought a machine gun collection. There's a Thompson collector in the Houston area, I believe he buys up NFA estates.
No machine guns. In the link to the nfa subreddit I posted on the previous page I also provided an attachment that shows the guy’s post of exactly what was approved. It’s 19 individual suppressors and an integrally suppressed lever gun.
See the attachment again below.
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Good info - I'm sitting on 2022573xxx so that's hopeful. Bloody crazy it takes so long for an approval, especially if you already have stamps.
i am aware of what triggers notification to the FBI, since i live in a border state. They do not, to my knowledge, have to notify local LEO.
you are confusing what is happening here in the NFA process versus a typical 4473 multi-gun transfer. since i am a CHL holder in Texas, i dont have to go through a NICS check, so if i buy 20 guns at once, the only way the Feds know is if the FFL contacts them, which thanks to Obama and his wingman Holder, is required.
but the NFA paperwork is a background check performed by the FBI at the request of the ATF. They know everything and have all the details on all firearms before they approve him. so why approve and then go "audit" something?
ATF: "This is a high volume of transfers, something seems fishy here. We need to look into this. But first, approve everything he has pending approval!!"
Also, no FFL/SOT would transfer to themselves on a Form 4 instead of to the FFL on a Form 3. Those Form 3s are tax free (unless coming from a form 4) and would stay in that individuals possession even when their FFL expires.
Why would they approve him? Because they have to! There is a misunderstanding here. I am saying someone that legally buys an NFA item can buy as many as they want AND the ATF has the authority to go investigate/speak with anyone they want if they choose to. All I am saying is they may have a threshold that when exceeded initiates a flag. It doesn’t mean that they are going out to hassle the guy. The ATF could call the guy and ask if they could make an appointment and stop by and he could tell them to go pound sand or he could say yes.
They can choose to audit (an FFL/SOT) because audits are part of having the license or because they have a concern, it’s that simple. If the guy buys 20 NFA items they may go and talk to him to see if he is doing something suspicious, what the person’s state of mind is etc. Certain circumstances can and do trigger reviews. It could be as simple as an ATF agent, seeing this guys 20 approvals and maybe the guy has a 120 NFA items total, the agent goes to his supervisor and that guy says, ”Look at this guy, John Smith’s history he buys nothing for several years and then he buys a high number, he submitted 14 in 2020, 31 in 2018, it’s just this guys pattern, we’ve gone out and talked to him before, nothing to be concerned with here.” It’s about patterns and profiles.
Sure they would if the FFL is going out of business. A person decides they are tired of paying the yearly $1000 SOT tax and decides to retire. They buy all the cans they want personally through the FFL/SOT use them whenever they want, while they wait for the final approvals of the form 4s to come through and close the doors or call the ATF and tell them they are going out of business and get all of those designated personal cans approved instantly.
The reality is neither you or I have enough information of what this guy means by he ”might be subject to an audit.” The guy has said if anyone has any questions he will answer them. I don’t have a Reddit account or I would ask him what he specifically means by the audit. If you have a Reddit account maybe go and ask him and post back here what he says.
Senidng to local law enforcement is part of the rules here for two or more handgun buys in seven days.
I‘ve provided some possible scenarios, but certainly not all of the possible reasons for the audit or exactly what the term means to him.
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