Went up to my favorite flat rock at the corner of my property opening day of rifle season, and my bunny hugging new neighbor stuck up a bogus posted sign. I say bogus, because it doesn't meet the NY standards for legal posting. No name, phone #, or address, only one sign, held up with three dinky staples into a tree. Damned if I'm going to tell her it's NG. Wait till she calls the cops if she sees me dragging dead meat across her corner. Good thing I'm so old, otherwise I'd have to move. Fuck'em all......did you know, that there's no retirement community that has a rifle range? Depressing.....more rants to follow....
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And here I was just about to post about idiot <strike>poachers</strike> hunters that hunt on other people's land without so much as asking for permission.
Somehow everyone around here knows to stay on their own property, or to ask permission before hunting. The linked sign meets all state requirements for posting property here...
Amazon.com: Warning Due to Price Increase on Ammo Do Not Expect a Warning Shot 8" X12" Metal Sign: Patio, Lawn & Garden
Somehow everyone around here knows to stay on their own property, or to ask permission before hunting. The linked sign meets all state requirements for posting property here...
Amazon.com: Warning Due to Price Increase on Ammo Do Not Expect a Warning Shot 8" X12" Metal Sign: Patio, Lawn & Garden
hlee, shouldn't you be off stabbing Colorado gun owners in the back so more? You're a traitor.
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Oh snap! Controversy is a brewin'
If I reply to the above with sufficient context to refute your contention I will likely get banned. So, I'll just reply with an age-level appropriate response...
I'm rubber, you're glue...
So your problem is that you want to trespass on your neighbor's property, and are upset because your neighbor has posted a sign - albeit a non-conforming one - asking you not to do so? Just want to make sure I'm clear on the matter.
I am a land owner in NY also. I am well aware of the requirements to legally post your property. There is one think you may be overlooking. This was covered in my long ago hunter safety course. If you are aware that someone does not want you to hunt their property and you know the boundary, you may not hunt there. Yeah, perhaps you can lawyer your way out of a ticket. But, if you are the kind of person who would go onto someone's property knowing they do not want you there then you are a first class piece of shit in my book.
Now theres an idea...a retirement community with a rifle range.....Start one.
Cheer up OP,maybe your new neighbor moved there to start a nudist colony or a retreat for single mothers.
I see where you're going there and might agree with you but I think a cop or more likely a game warden would probably point to the sign and even though it isn't legit to the letter of the law, would probably say that the intent and spirit of the sign should be heeded. The fact that she even put up the sign means she's probably on to you and will be looking out. I dunno about where you're at but around here most land owners are cool with you the ability to hunt their land in the first place but if they're not you can call a warden and they'll try to get permission onto somebody's land if something you shot runs onto their land. If you and/or the warden can't get permission then you're boned and can't (legally) go on their land. I assume you've already tried this but why not just go ask her for permission to hunt her land?
It's not that you're afraid of being banned so don't try to save face by hiding behind some "lack of context" excuse, anyone can go back and READ YOUR posts and see that you are more than willing to stab our collective cause right in the back. The simple fact is that you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it. You are/were overly-enthusiastic to stab thousands of Colorado Hunters/gun-owners right in the back. Anyone who doubts it will find the proof in your post history (unless you deleted it of course).
My previous posts are readily available for anyone to look up and re-post, even you. If you do, I suggest you start a new thread- you could title it "hlee is a traitor and here is why..."- so as to not further shit in this thread.
Oh, and...
"I know you are but what am I?"
- repeat ad infinitum
I have a neighbour who also believes they have rights on my land. He's come over talking about what am I planning on building on MY land that blocks HIS view. Its MY land, and MY view. If I'm reading the OP correctly, he thinks he has rights on his neighbour's land. May I ask what you paid your neighbour for those rights? Do you have an easement? Until now it never occurred to me that shoplifters believe they have rights to take things from the corner market -- but maybe they do after all?
/me is wondering when the OP is going to post back to this thread to verify or refute the belief that he believes he has rights to land he doesn't own.
I'll hold my response until that confirmation occurs.
--Wintermute
I'll hold my response until that confirmation occurs.
--Wintermute
New York. Hunting. That's adorable. Was unaware you could have weopons. Put a 20 ounce Pepsi in neighbors trash and call the FBI. You sound kinda cool. What are you doing living in Berlin 1942?
Drag your meat across her chin.
You're thinking more along the lines of NYC rather than the rest of the NY state which is pretty gun friendly and does have some decent hunting spots from what I heard. No experience there really other than what I'm told because I try and avoid visiting NY much like I try and avoid TX.
No actually, to be clear it sounds like he would like to poach on her land and is rationalizing his way into thinking he has the rights to do so.
No, I don't actually hunt on her land, because it's too close to her house, but I need to cross a corner of it to get to land I've been hunting for the last 25 years. I even cut a tree off her driveway, last year after a windstorm. Not a very neighborly person, just irritates me just to see posted signs in my backyard. Although I did catch one bozo years ago downhill from my stand with an M1 carbine, and a 20 rd mag during deer season. He took off when he was spotted.
For a moment, I thought it was April 1st..... Now I realize that the OP is the type of "hunter" who my parents struggle to keep off their land....and yes, my parents love guns, hunting and freedom...but, they don't love people who disrespect.
If it's a right-of-way issue, that's different...especially if you've been there and crossing that piece of land for 25 years. That's something you need to discuss with the land owner before going ape shit.
If it's a right-of-way issue, that's different...especially if you've been there and crossing that piece of land for 25 years. That's something you need to discuss with the land owner before going ape shit.
For a moment, I thought it was April 1st..... Now I realize that the OP is the type of "hunter" who my parents struggle to keep off their land....and yes, my parents love guns, hunting and freedom...but, they don't love people who disrespect.
If it's a right-of-way issue, that's different...especially if you've been there and crossing that piece of land for 25 years. That's something you need to discuss with the land owner before going ape shit.
Discuss with the adjoining landowner of course. But if for whatever reason she maintains her position xs headspace will just have to walk/drive to the old hunting ground. As previously posted a "legal sign" doesn't preclude a civil action for trespass.
In addition property rights run hand in hand with gun rights and each should be respected.
"City idiots.." now that's something we can agree on. Living close to a city you see hordes of trespassers looking for a place to park while drinking-having sex in the front-back seat, dumping garbage, driving dirtbikes, allowing their dogs to chase deer on your land for "exercise", etc.
Around here, if it's not property that's posted, not somebodies farm or residence, but acreage owned by somebody who stops to visit between trips to Hawaii and Switzerland, or some real estate trust, it's fair game to hunt. So many bunny huggers here, and people that know nada about firearms, that explaining that my stand location is shooting into a hollow, away from any houses, using paper patched 45-70 handloads, and the fact that I have a LR Masters classification will carry no weight in negotiating permission. Most of the understanding locals have had to sell off acreage, just to pay property taxes. My wife freaked out once when she saw flashlights in the woods 30 yds in back of my house one night, I told her not to worry, it's archery season, and those are the good guys, if they're still tracking a wounded deer at 9 PM>
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One thing to think about trespassing with a fire arm is concidered a felony at least in Florida, and Florida is not like NY. Just saying.
I find this odd, being a 'citiot' from LI.
Myself & my hunting pards all chip in to pay the taxes on the land we hunt on every year. We drive 4hrs, up through the 'city' & upstate, to spend a few nice weekends on land to hunt for ourselves.
Yet, EVERY DAMN YEAR, we find evidence of LOCALS trespassing/poaching on OUR little parcel of Posted Private Property! My bud's father bought that land in 1984, yet some local fuckwads seem to feel justified in trespassing/poaching on that land because their grandfather's grandfather used to pull cow tit on it ages ago. Or, they're just "cutting through" our land during a drive to get over to the adjoining State Land? Or, we're absentee landowners, so its somehow OK to trespass during the week when we might not be up hunting?
Talk about a sense of entitlement???
Just giving some perspective from a "citiot" who might just be contributing to the tax base of your county. Most all of the scumbag slob hunters I've ever come across don't drive 200+ miles one way to be a slob, it's not worth the effort. Instead, I've found the self entitled slobs only drive down the road from their own trailer/house on 1/2 acre and trespass wherever the fuck they feel like, with little/no regard for anyone but themselves...
Heres a tidbit for ya to chew on while you sit on your favorite slab:
Wanna keep hunting the little slice of Heaven? Try buckin' up and BUY the land. Or, offer to pay your neighbor's taxes on the parcel you wish to continue hunting on. Otherwise, spare everyone your whining about landowners wishing to have their rights honored...
Myself & my hunting pards all chip in to pay the taxes on the land we hunt on every year. We drive 4hrs, up through the 'city' & upstate, to spend a few nice weekends on land to hunt for ourselves.
Yet, EVERY DAMN YEAR, we find evidence of LOCALS trespassing/poaching on OUR little parcel of Posted Private Property! My bud's father bought that land in 1984, yet some local fuckwads seem to feel justified in trespassing/poaching on that land because their grandfather's grandfather used to pull cow tit on it ages ago. Or, they're just "cutting through" our land during a drive to get over to the adjoining State Land? Or, we're absentee landowners, so its somehow OK to trespass during the week when we might not be up hunting?
Talk about a sense of entitlement???
Just giving some perspective from a "citiot" who might just be contributing to the tax base of your county. Most all of the scumbag slob hunters I've ever come across don't drive 200+ miles one way to be a slob, it's not worth the effort. Instead, I've found the self entitled slobs only drive down the road from their own trailer/house on 1/2 acre and trespass wherever the fuck they feel like, with little/no regard for anyone but themselves...
Heres a tidbit for ya to chew on while you sit on your favorite slab:
Wanna keep hunting the little slice of Heaven? Try buckin' up and BUY the land. Or, offer to pay your neighbor's taxes on the parcel you wish to continue hunting on. Otherwise, spare everyone your whining about landowners wishing to have their rights honored...
Wait, what?
"If you don't live on or actively farm this land, and it isn't LEGALLY posted with No Trespassing signs, I can and will hunt on it even though 1. it is not my land and 2. I don't have permission to be there."
That's REALLY your logic?
That's the pervasive logic some 'locals' have when justifying trespassing.
I truth, NY laws SUCK about Posting requirements, and the burden of proof is soley on the landowner to conform. That allows local slob hunters to feel OK about treapassing/poaching on someone else's land. As if leaving a phone # off a Posted sign make it OK to trespass? Or not having Posted signs within 660' of each other? That's unadulterated BULLSHIT, but slob locals use those loopholes to poach, all the time...
I'd like to see Mr. Slob try that shit in Texas, or Colorado, where the burden of knowing preoperty boundaries is 100% on the HUNTER. Being cited by a warden would be the least of their worries...
Are these the gentlemen's rules that were laid down by the current land owners? Or, did you just pull this out of your ass?
From the NY Department of Environmental Conservation...
Posting Information for Landowners, Boaters, Fishermen and Hunters - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation
Q. What is posting under the Environmental Conservation Law?
A. People who want to control access to their property without personally seeing everyone who enters may post signs warning people to keep out. This may be done with simple "Keep Out" signs under the Penal Law, but for rural properties with many possible points of entry, a few signs may not be effective.[Because of guys like xs hedspace]
Q. Must I post to keep people off my property?
A. No. Trespassing is illegal even on unposted property, unless it is unimproved, apparently unused and unfenced (or not otherwise enclosed to exclude intruders.) Even on vacant land, a written notice delivered in person (or by certified mail with a signed receipt, etc.) to any person, in the name of the landowner or authorized party, containing a description of the premises and a warning of restrictions which apply has the same effect, for that person, as if the land were posted with those restrictions. Likewise, anyone asked to leave the premises, posted or not, by the landowner, occupant or other authorized person, must do so immediately."
Here's your sign...
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Bingo. It's a bit disgusting that there are gun owners who don't respect the private property rights of others, no matter what that person's attitude or political leanings.
XS Hedspace is a piece of work. I have a truck I only use for big loads once in a blue moon. I get the feeling this guy would would feel entitled to use it at his leisure when I leave it sitting unused in my driveway for six months at a time.
I guess this thread isn't going the way the OP envisioned. One could only hope that the property owner to which xs Hedspace has zero regard for is well versed in the art of setting booby traps. Maybe then you'll find yourself with a face full of treble hooks for your troubles.
Are these the gentlemen's rules that were laid down by the current land owners? Or, did you just pull this out of your ass?
From the NY Department of Environmental Conservation...
Posting Information for Landowners, Boaters, Fishermen and Hunters - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation
Q. What is posting under the Environmental Conservation Law?
A. People who want to control access to their property without personally seeing everyone who enters may post signs warning people to keep out. This may be done with simple "Keep Out" signs under the Penal Law, but for rural properties with many possible points of entry, a few signs may not be effective.[Because of guys like xs hedspace]
Q. Must I post to keep people off my property?
A. No. Trespassing is illegal even on unposted property, unless it is unimproved, apparently unused and unfenced (or not otherwise enclosed to exclude intruders.) Even on vacant land, a written notice delivered in person (or by certified mail with a signed receipt, etc.) to any person, in the name of the landowner or authorized party, containing a description of the premises and a warning of restrictions which apply has the same effect, for that person, as if the land were posted with those restrictions. Likewise, anyone asked to leave the premises, posted or not, by the landowner, occupant or other authorized person, must do so immediately."
Here's your sign...
I don't disagree that XS seems like your regular snaggle tooth country bumpkin, but you bolded parts that suited your cause. To play devil's advocate I have bolded, underlined, and italicized parts that support his cause. However, the woman could just send him a certified letter and then he has basically been put on notice. He's technically right, but people who live their life climbing through loopsholes aren't my people.
Though it sounds like she (the neighbor) lives there. I would assume in a dwelling, which to me is an improvement, but what do I know.
This sounds like it could be easily avoided. XS, tumble your disgraceful heap of shit you consider your body(I'm picturing you as mildly to severely overweight) into a truck or onto an ATV and go around her place to get to where your stand is. Is it an inconvenience? I bet it is. Is it more convenient than having to drive to the courthouse and/or pay fines? Hells to the yeah it is.
I was brought up to believe private property was just that "PRIVATE", weather or not signs are posted.
Apparently this state believes the same way. To hunt on someone else's property you have to have written permission from the owner in you're possession or you get a hefty trespass fine.
The exception is "Walk IN Areas" in which the landowner list his property with the Fish and Game allowing people to use their property for hunting/fishing.
So far it's working quite well, and will as long as people don't screw it up.
I don't have a lot of land, 29 acres, but it has lots of deer and turkeys. I like to save them for teaching my grandkids to hunt.
Apparently this state believes the same way. To hunt on someone else's property you have to have written permission from the owner in you're possession or you get a hefty trespass fine.
The exception is "Walk IN Areas" in which the landowner list his property with the Fish and Game allowing people to use their property for hunting/fishing.
So far it's working quite well, and will as long as people don't screw it up.
I don't have a lot of land, 29 acres, but it has lots of deer and turkeys. I like to save them for teaching my grandkids to hunt.
The main problem is that there's just TOO MANY DAMN PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!!
And the REAL SOLUTION is simple:
"If you don't own it.....keep your azz off it!"
And the REAL SOLUTION is simple:
"If you don't own it.....keep your azz off it!"
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Wanted to add something real quick, since I pretty much came in throwin' haymakers.
The area we hunt is chock full of GREAT people, with whom we've all become good friends with over the last 20+ years being transient "citiot" hunters. They have our respect, and we have theirs. Personally, I have permission to hunt on literally thousands of acres of private land, yet only take advantage of that permission to hunt predators. And I mean thousands of acres of private land. Needless to say, did not acqurie that trust by being a disrespectful Slob. NO way, no how...
99% of the local hunters up there know us, and we all visit each others' deer camps during season to yuck it up over dinner & beers after the hunt. Friends have come down the the Island to visit and slept in my home. And I've slept upstate in theirs. I've shoveled cowshit & coal, cut wood and drove tractors, out of friendship. That is what the comradarie and fellowship of hunting is all about. Good people really are where ya find em, and I know I am thankful for those friendships...
Just wanting to illustrate that not every "citiot" fits the stereotype that Mr. Slob xs was b!tching about. My post above was referring to that unexceptional 1% of local trash who are self-justified poachers with no respect for anyone. Apparently, Mr. Slob xs falls into that bitter, disrespectful 1%...
As a matter of fact, one of my buds stayed up alone at the farm this week to hunt, and guess what? A slob tresspasser was caught poaching on our land. Guess he thought the 'citiots' had gone back to the 'city' for the week, whoops! One of our local hunter friends seen a truck tucked away on our land and called my buddy. He had just seen the truck too, and was going to see if someone had broke down? Nope, it was a poacher. Game Warden was called and he sat & waited him out. The poacher had NO orange on, and NO backtag visible, shifty maneuver. He cried the blues about how he "used to be able to hunt here", and how the land was not "properly posted" (ever hear that slob excuse before???)
Total crock of shit, all of it. That land is actively farmed, maintained AND Posted!
And where does this charmer live??? About 4 miles away, LOL. Hope he enjoys his ticket
Just goes to further illustrate what a warped sense of entitlement that some of the local talent have about land owners. And on a more important note, what a great feeling it was to know that our local friends had our back!
So glad to see this thread get turned around proper by the level minded crew here on the Hide! Thanks for that and Good Hunting to everyone!
The area we hunt is chock full of GREAT people, with whom we've all become good friends with over the last 20+ years being transient "citiot" hunters. They have our respect, and we have theirs. Personally, I have permission to hunt on literally thousands of acres of private land, yet only take advantage of that permission to hunt predators. And I mean thousands of acres of private land. Needless to say, did not acqurie that trust by being a disrespectful Slob. NO way, no how...
99% of the local hunters up there know us, and we all visit each others' deer camps during season to yuck it up over dinner & beers after the hunt. Friends have come down the the Island to visit and slept in my home. And I've slept upstate in theirs. I've shoveled cowshit & coal, cut wood and drove tractors, out of friendship. That is what the comradarie and fellowship of hunting is all about. Good people really are where ya find em, and I know I am thankful for those friendships...
Just wanting to illustrate that not every "citiot" fits the stereotype that Mr. Slob xs was b!tching about. My post above was referring to that unexceptional 1% of local trash who are self-justified poachers with no respect for anyone. Apparently, Mr. Slob xs falls into that bitter, disrespectful 1%...
As a matter of fact, one of my buds stayed up alone at the farm this week to hunt, and guess what? A slob tresspasser was caught poaching on our land. Guess he thought the 'citiots' had gone back to the 'city' for the week, whoops! One of our local hunter friends seen a truck tucked away on our land and called my buddy. He had just seen the truck too, and was going to see if someone had broke down? Nope, it was a poacher. Game Warden was called and he sat & waited him out. The poacher had NO orange on, and NO backtag visible, shifty maneuver. He cried the blues about how he "used to be able to hunt here", and how the land was not "properly posted" (ever hear that slob excuse before???)
Total crock of shit, all of it. That land is actively farmed, maintained AND Posted!
And where does this charmer live??? About 4 miles away, LOL. Hope he enjoys his ticket
Just goes to further illustrate what a warped sense of entitlement that some of the local talent have about land owners. And on a more important note, what a great feeling it was to know that our local friends had our back!
So glad to see this thread get turned around proper by the level minded crew here on the Hide! Thanks for that and Good Hunting to everyone!
I really can't comprehend any other thought process. If you want to hunt someone else's property.......ask, if they say no then too bad. It's always been a great idea to get to know your neighbors and offer to trade a little work/help towards obtaining permission, at least it has worked for me. Who gives a hoot if a sign meets LEGAL requirements?
This is why I moved to Utah.
Unfortunately a million others are doing the same
I like living in SD most don't even know we are a state other than when the orange army shows up to shoot some Chinese chickens and even then most are respectful of private land with the blue platers being the most problematic.
Hell I would just like to visit and watch you shoot a certain mormon with that sweet DTA your running and as a bonus
I will put my pice of crap aunt of mine up for a target, no resentment here.
Hell I would just like to visit and watch you shoot a certain mormon with that sweet DTA your running and as a bonus
I will put my pice of crap aunt of mine up for a target, no resentment here.
Shooting mormons is bad luck, we'll come back an getcha....
So if I have this straight, the OP uses a set of land adjacent to his neighbors to hunt. In order to get to that land he has to cross his neighbors land and his neighbor isn't okay with that. Presumably, there is both another alternate route to the land he is hunting on and he has been allowed to hunt on this land by the owner.
To the op: Take whatever alternate route to the land that is available. Your neighbor doesn't want you crossing their land, that's fine...they own that land and it's their right to prohibit you from trespassing. If you do not have permission to hunt on the block of land that you are trying to get to, well...then you should request it or pack it in and drive out to some other area of land where you have/can get permission.
If I put up a sign and someone went across my land anyways, they'd quickly be looking down the barrel of one of my rifles while waiting for the authorities to show up and charge them with trespassing. If I caught someone hunting on my land and I hadn't approved it, it'd be the same thing. In WA state it's 90 days in jail or a $1k fine for trespassing. Poaching can be an even higher charge (up to a class c felony and all that a conviction for a felony entails).
Basically, respect others rights (yeah, land owners have rights to...more rights in fact than you have to hunt). If you think that's a difficult thing to do, then pack it in and drive to the damn supermarket and sell your guns as anyone who can't obey basic laws regarding trespass, etc... probably isn't mature enough to own a firearm without putting others in unnecessary danger.
--Wintermute
To the op: Take whatever alternate route to the land that is available. Your neighbor doesn't want you crossing their land, that's fine...they own that land and it's their right to prohibit you from trespassing. If you do not have permission to hunt on the block of land that you are trying to get to, well...then you should request it or pack it in and drive out to some other area of land where you have/can get permission.
If I put up a sign and someone went across my land anyways, they'd quickly be looking down the barrel of one of my rifles while waiting for the authorities to show up and charge them with trespassing. If I caught someone hunting on my land and I hadn't approved it, it'd be the same thing. In WA state it's 90 days in jail or a $1k fine for trespassing. Poaching can be an even higher charge (up to a class c felony and all that a conviction for a felony entails).
Basically, respect others rights (yeah, land owners have rights to...more rights in fact than you have to hunt). If you think that's a difficult thing to do, then pack it in and drive to the damn supermarket and sell your guns as anyone who can't obey basic laws regarding trespass, etc... probably isn't mature enough to own a firearm without putting others in unnecessary danger.
--Wintermute
Vacant, unimproved, and unfenced land is what I hunt on. And poaching? The landowner doesn't own the wildlife in NY, it belongs to the people. I tried asking her if I could drag a deer across the far corner of her property a few years ago, where I could pull a truck in, she went batshit. I think she can get her own downed trees off her driveway, and fill in her own potholes on this private road from now on.
Just have respect for your neighbors land.
She bought it, she pays taxes on it. It doesn't matter if it is "vacant, unimproved and unfenced". It is not YOUR property.
If you want that section of land, offer to buy it. If she refuses, back to Step #1.
She bought it, she pays taxes on it. It doesn't matter if it is "vacant, unimproved and unfenced". It is not YOUR property.
If you want that section of land, offer to buy it. If she refuses, back to Step #1.
Well the good news is, there are zero jobs where I am.
I think they're more up north by SLC?
Yep, typically disgruntled or discharged Californian's who come to Utah and cant stop saying how nice it is and then in the next breath try to change it into the shithole that is California.
